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BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 3:58 am

Was wondering about what international routes over the years BA has dropped and why?

They only (2) I can think of are:

LHR-MEL
LHR-SAN



Is BA looking to open new routes or old ones once they place there new a/c order this year or will slot restriction kill those plans?
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Fri May 18, 2007 4:06 am

Lilongwe
Montego Bay
Cancun
Havana
Charlotte
Pittsburgh
Seychelles
Perth
Kuala Lumpur
Dammam
Caracas
Bogota
Riyadh
Jeddah

To name a few.
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:07 am

LHR-KWI. I think it was dropped due to political unrest/safety concerns maybe? I think thats what they said!
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:10 am

KWI is still operated. The list of dropped BA destinations is endless!

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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:20 am

AA and BA both dropped TPE.


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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
LHR-SAN

Throw LGW-SAN in on that one as well. The short runway at SAN being a huge factor in making such a flight unmanageable for the return to the U.K.:

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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 2):
LHR-KWI. I think it was dropped due to political unrest/safety concerns maybe? I think thats what they said!

BA #157 1x daily. LHR-KWI.

[Edited 2007-05-17 21:25:13]
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 6):
Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 2):
LHR-KWI. I think it was dropped due to political unrest/safety concerns maybe? I think thats what they said!


BA #157 1x daily. LHR-KWI.

Oh, I meant Riyadh.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 1):
Lilongwe
Montego Bay
Cancun
Havana
Charlotte
Pittsburgh
Seychelles
Perth
Kuala Lumpur
Dammam
Caracas
Bogota
Riyadh
Jeddah

When was Cancun operated? I'd say PIT would only love the BA flight back!
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 6):

BA #157 1x daily. LHR-KWI.

I flew KWI-LHR in January on their B772ER....good flight.. thumbsup 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:39 am

In the winter 1999/2000 timetable, BA started LGW-SJO with a stopover somewhere in the Carribean. The route was first operated with a DC-10 but was later upgraded to a 777. The route was sadly dropped after only six months, possibly because they couldn't make any money on it. There's speculation going on that BA may eventually return, though they seem to be happy with the current deal they have with AA, where BA passengers can connect at MIA if they want to fly to SJO.
 
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Fri May 18, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
Is BA looking to open new routes or old ones once they place there new a/c order this year or will slot restriction kill those plans?

I'd love to think that a new large a/c order would bring back SAN...
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:44 am

From London, the ones i can remember are:

Manilla
Osaka
Nagoya
Auckland
Riyadh
New Orleans
Durban
Seychelles

I believe Anchorage was also served but poss only as a tech stop.
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 4:58 am

Little off topic, but I wonder how many have been added since say 2000?

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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
Throw LGW-SAN in on that one as well. The short runway at SAN being a huge factor in making such a flight unmanageable for the return to the U.K.:

So what happened? It arrived in SAN and got stuck there? Shouldn't they've looked at how long the runway was beforehand?


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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:04 am

One route where I would love to see BA fly is LHR-KHI......I know most European carriers have stopped flying KHI (I've probably flown basically on all of them over the years), but I think this is a route BA could do potentially quite well with....especially if they can get good deals on landing rights, gates, etc....
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
Throw LGW-SAN in on that one as well. The short runway at SAN being a huge factor in making such a flight unmanageable for the return to the U.K.:

So what happened? It arrived in SAN and got stuck there? Shouldn't they've looked at how long the runway was beforehand?


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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:06 am

Calgary, Edmonton -- tho Calgary is back as of last November.
I believe going to a daily 772, and AC will go to a 773 this summer as well as the A333.
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:09 am

Fiji, Honululu, Addis Ababa, Abidjan, Durban, Damascus, Beirut, Amman, Almaty, Baku, Seoul, Santiago de Chile, Zagreb, Skopje...keep 'em coming!

New routes/revived routes: Calgary, Bangalore, Sarajevo, Reykjavik, Dresden, Tirana, Izmir.

New routes are on the cards (there may be a return to old routes) but we are short of aircraft at the moment.

[Edited 2007-05-17 22:19:44]
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:13 am

Honolulu and Nadi were dropped in the mid-1970s when BA eliminated their Transpacific services.
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:17 am

They use to fly LGW-SJU-GCM for a while on a 777 but they then stopped going to SJU and we now have the NAS-GCM segment (now also from LHR)
 
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Fri May 18, 2007 5:32 am

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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
Was wondering about what international routes over the years BA has dropped

Gabarone was also served by BA a few years ago. Did they ever fly to WDH directly from LON?
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:36 am

Regarding the London to New Orleans service...

I know the flight actually terminated/originated in MEX.

Could BA carry revenue pax between MSY and MEX and vice versa?

[Edited 2007-05-17 22:37:19]
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:40 am

MAN-LAX and some tranatlantic routes from BHX and GLA as well

Theres also plenty of short haul international dropped routes as well
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
In the winter 1999/2000 timetable, BA started LGW-SJO with a stopover somewhere in the Carribean. The route was first operated with a DC-10 but was later upgraded to a 777. The route was sadly dropped after only six months, possibly because they couldn't make any money on it. There's speculation going on that BA may eventually return, though they seem to be happy with the current deal they have with AA, where BA passengers can connect at MIA if they want to fly to SJO.

I think that SJO flight was via SJU.
BA also did fly to PTY thrice weekly via KIN/NAS on VC-10, B707 and last on L1011.
IMHO, It'd more likely to see VS from LGW in Centralamerica before BA returns to these airports.
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Fri May 18, 2007 6:00 am

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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:13 am

LHR-DUB and some other ex LHR Irish services I believe were dropped once the EI codeshare was put in place, although the LGW flights remain with B737s.


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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 24):
IMHO, It'd more likely to see VS from LGW in Centralamerica before BA returns to these airports.

I thought SRB wasn't interested in starting scheduled service to Centralamerica (unless they're cruise ship charters). Or could we see VS at GUA, SJO, and/or PTY as soon as they get delivery of their first 787s?
 
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Fri May 18, 2007 6:23 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 23):
MAN-LAX and some tranatlantic routes from BHX and GLA as well

It was BHX-JFK-YYZ and GLA-JFK-BOS. Other MAN flights of fancy that they've operated:

HKG (originally a multi-stop 2 wkly L1011 which converted itself into a LHR/LGW-MAN-HKG routing by 744 at the end. Dropped 1992ish)
MCO (2 weekly, culled because of competition from charters which must not apparantly happen at LGW. Dropped 1992).
BGI (2 weekly, as above)
ISB (reluctant start against PK's introduction of services. Ran 2 weekly LGW-MAN-ISB at the end but promised to have a based 777 at MAN for a 3 weekly service which never materialised (Dropped 1997?)
YYZ
YUL-ORD (sometimes routed through PIK. Dropped in the 1970s?)
A few more Caribbean destinations (Georgetown, Antigua) as extensions of the JFK service (dropped 1971/2?)

If we ignore the based "regional ops", they also operated to ATH with 757s (Certainly operated in the mid 1980s as BA880/881). Think TLV might have also featured (Around 1970?)
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 28):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 23):
MAN-LAX and some tranatlantic routes from BHX and GLA as well

It was BHX-JFK-YYZ and GLA-JFK-BOS.

Among the first transatlantic B757 routes, long before CO started using the 757 to Europe. BHX-JFK-YYZ was definitely a 757 (with 5th freedom local traffic rights JFK-YYZ).
 
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Fri May 18, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 7):
When was Cancun operated?

Up until around 2000 i believe

Another international route which has been dropped is Tobago-Grenada. All Tobago/Grenada/St Lucia flights route via Antigua these days. Also Barbados-St Lucia used to be operated - I flew it (and then onto LGW) back in 1999 on a 747-200.
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 10):
I'd love to think that a new large a/c order would bring back SAN...

When was SAN dropped and why? Also did this flight carry onto LAX I recall?
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:42 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 31):

LHR-SAN

SAN-PHX-LHR

i beleive
 
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Fri May 18, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 10):
I'd love to think that a new large a/c order would bring back SAN...

Hey San747, I just gotta' think that BA still has SAN on its wish-list (as in "We certainly wish we could make San Diego work.") And I bet the Dreamliner will make a lot of those "wishes" come true!

I just keep wondering if BA will be the next carrier to start SAN-LON...  scratchchin  In my fantasy world, BA would soon re-start the old standby LHR-PHX-SAN r/t (777 or 747 or ???), get themselves back in the market and become familiar with/to the San Diego market, hopefully (for them) beating anyone else to the punch, and in a year or 2, slip the 787 in and drop the PHX stop (just like last time except this time with the perfect airplane for SAN!) How about that scenario?

(We've got a LH thread going along the same lines; check that one out if you haven't already '747.)

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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:52 am

We moved to PHX in late 1999. The 747 was London-PHX-SAN and return (SAN-PHX-London). I think it was Gatwick and later moved over to LHR.

In the mid-late 90s I seem to remember the SAN flight doing the short hop after LAX and and back prior to its overnight back over the pond. I never took that one, but IIRC that is what a friend of mine did a couple of times.

To this day, whenever a 47 is landing in PHX, it seems to make a long approach along highway 202 (my commute) and it is a majestic bird to see coming in.
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
There's speculation going on that BA may eventually return,

I'd love them to go back on that track.
Problem is they don't have enough feeding at LHR from Germany, France and Italy, I guess the countries where the majority of Europe-Costa Rica traffic comes from, are (under)served in different ways (LH-AF and Americans). LHR is not a particularly easy connecting point, especially coming from a european small airport's flight landing at LGW. If only Heathrow had 2 more runways!...

Slightly off:
From provincial Italy usually I get the chance to fly DL/AF via CDG and JFK/MIA. Used to fly AZ FLR-MXP-CCS-SJO, but since Alitalia doesn't codeshare with LR/TA anymore out of schedule's reasons, any BA flight I tried had the LGW-LHR pain and it was not worth to be chosen compared with AA's Italy(BA)-LGW(AA)-DFW(AA)-SJO until the cooperation between AA and TA worked (or do they still codeshare?).

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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting BY188B (Reply 11):
I believe Anchorage was also served but poss only as a tech stop.

As far as I know Bermuda 2 allows an American but not a British airline to serve Anchorage from LHR. So BA, who would be unlikely to serve ANC from LGW, have never served ANC. However I think BOAC, BA's long haul predessessor flew DC7Cs into ANC (with no traffic rights) as a stop over on the London-Japan polar route.

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 13):
So what happened? It arrived in SAN and got stuck there? Shouldn't they've looked at how long the runway was beforehand?

BA started an LGW-LAX-SAN-LAX-LGW rotation using DC-10s:

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It vwas replaced with an LGW-PHX-SAN-PHX-LGW rotation also with DC-10s. This service then got upgraded to a 744 and subsequently transferred to LHR from LGW. Then it was replaced by a 772 LHR-PHX-LHR flight and an LHR-SAN-LHR flight. But the length of the SAN runway coupled with the SAN-LHR distance meant that the 772 could never carry a full load of passengers and freight. So eventually other more profitable use of the 772 was found and BA abandoned SAN. But the PHX flight grew to a daily 744 rotation.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 31):
When was SAN dropped and why?

744 flights to SAN started with the summer timetable of 1998:

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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 13):

So what happened? It arrived in SAN and got stuck there? Shouldn't they've looked at how long the runway was beforehand?

i think it stopped somewhere i think it was PHX they knew there would be problems and i think the flight was scheduled for that stop
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 12:12 pm

Longhaul from London

* Abidjan, Ivory Coast
* Aden, Yemen
* Adelaide, Australia
* Anchorage, United States
* Auckland, New Zealand
* Baghdad, Iraq
* Banjul, The Gambia
* Bogota, Colombia
* Brisbane, Australia
* Cancun, Mexico
* Caracas, Venezuela
* Charlotte, United States
* Colombo, Sri Lanka
* Dammam, Saudi Arabia
* Durban, South Africa
* Freetown, Sierra Leone
* Fukuoka, Japan
* Gaborone, Botswana
* Havana, Cuba
* Jakarta, Indonesia
* Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
* Kano, Nigeria
* Karachi, Pakistan
* Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
* Lilongwe, Malawi
* Lima, Peru
* Luxor, Egypt
* Manila, Philippines
* Melbourne, Australia
* Montego Bay, Jamaica
* Monrovia, Liberia
* Nadi, Fuji
* Nagoya, Japan
* Osaka, Japan
* Perth, Australia
* Pittsburgh, United States
* Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago
* Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
* San Diego, United States
* San Jose de Costa Rica
* San Juan de Puerto Rico
* Sana'a, Yemen
* Santiago de Chile
* Seoul, Korea
* T'ai-Pei, Taiwan
* Tbilisi, Georgia
* Victoria, Seychelles


There was a thread on this a little while ago Fickle BA? (by Jasepl Jul 20 2004 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 12:17 pm

How is the LGW-BGI-POS run doing? I am booked on BA from POS to BGI return in August and I hope its doing well and they dont pull the route.
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 3:24 pm

They stopped serving SEL, South Korea, in 1998 I believe, too
 
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Fri May 18, 2007 6:53 pm

BA...not the airline they used to be.I cannot believe they dropped so many Aussie destinations,I know they codeshare with QF,but would be nice to see them back in MEL,PER etc
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:28 pm

POS is back on the BA roster since March 2007. It is served via BGI 3 times weekly on its own metal; on the other 4 days it is operated as a tie-in with Caribbean Airlines (BW) with the BA plane remaining in BGI. POS was originally terminated by BA in October 1994.

GEO is an international destination missing from most of the lists; it was still on BA's roster back in 1978 (when I first went to Guyana and saw their planes there) but was terminated in 1985. The 747s that it used to the region at that time were severely load-restricted due to the short runways at GEO. The services generally routed LHR - ANU - BGI - POS - GEO!

You are right about the current Eastern Caribbean services, ANU gets a daily turn with 2 per week continuing to TAB, 2 to GND and 3 to UVF. BGI has a separate daily service with, as mentioned, 3 going on to POS.

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Fri May 18, 2007 7:33 pm

From the south Pacific

-Nadi
-Auckland
-Christchurch

Quite a few others around the world too.
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:34 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 36):
It vwas replaced with an LGW-PHX-SAN-PHX-LGW rotation also with DC-10s. This service then got upgraded to a 744 and subsequently transferred to LHR from LGW. Then it was replaced by a 772 LHR-PHX-LHR flight and an LHR-SAN-LHR flight. But the length of the SAN runway coupled with the SAN-LHR distance meant that the 772 could never carry a full load of passengers and freight. So eventually other more profitable use of the 772 was found and BA abandoned SAN. But the PHX flight grew to a daily 744 rotation.

Correct, except the flight was split before it moved to LHR. I flew LGW-SAN-LGW in 2002 on G-YMMA/E
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting BWIA330 (Reply 39):
How is the LGW-BGI-POS run doing? I am booked on BA from POS to BGI return in August and I hope its doing well and they dont pull the route.

The BGI-POS-BGI flights appear to be going well and there is no prospect that it is likely to be dropped. BA has benefited from the fact that C'bean Airways (formerly BWIA) dropped much of it's services between BGI and POS and also the consolidation between LIAT and Caribbean Star. This meant that there was a market there waiting for additional capacity.

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 42):
BGI has a separate daily service with, as mentioned, 3 going on to POS.

Just to clarify, BGI has 10 services each week, the daily terminating service and then 3 additional services that continue to POS. The daily service operates as a 4-class service, while 2 out of the 3 additional services are only 3-class services. The LGW-BGI-POS service on a Saturday is 4-class.
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 9:10 pm

Didn't they used to fly to Minneapollis (MSP) too?
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 9:14 pm

Why don't BA operate the 744 down to the Caribbean anymore.I flew on one to BGI a few years back and it was a spectacle to see such a big aircraft on the tiny little island and at a tiny airport...such a shame those times can't come back!
 
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 10:03 pm

there are rumors that LHR-DAR will also cease...
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RE: BA Dropped Intl. Routes?

Fri May 18, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 47):
Why don't BA operate the 744 down to the Caribbean anymore.I flew on one to BGI a few years back and it was a spectacle to see such a big aircraft on the tiny little island and at a tiny airport...such a shame those times can't come back!

IMO two words "yield" and "frequency". All the Caribbean is a limited market, due to factors including distance from the UK, and relatively high local cost. Passengers tend to prefer direct flights over ones that island hop to collect a full plane load , and many of the visiotrs to the Caribbean want the flexibility of vacations that don't conform to the 7/14 day pattern.
Thus the 772 is a better choice in this instance.