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Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 4:52 am

Could be the third one !!

Easybourse has an article saying J Leahy is negotiaitng with EK for another A380 order , without disclosing the number of units he hopes to sell.
He also said the name of the first A380 VIP buyer will be revealed at the Paris Air Show + A350 orders.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 4:54 am

While I'd like to see another order, I doubt this a bit. Two orders within such a short timeframe? If Clark had wanted even more, he could have ordered more than four a few days ago.
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 4:54 am

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):

Easybourse has an article saying J Leahy is negotiaitng with EK for another A380 order , without disclosing the number of units he hopes to sell.
He also said the name of the first A380 VIP buyer will be revealed at the Paris Air Show + A350 orders.

EK would be wise to look at what happened to Jetblue today and realize that they are headed for the exact same place adding this much capacity without the organic growth to support it.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Paris Air Show + A350 orders

Typical Airbus, sandbaging orders until the airshow. I wonder how many A-350 orders they will anounce?
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 6:14 am

As delivery slots get closer we will see more orders, esp once the A380 enters service.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 3):
I wonder how many A-350 orders they will anounce?

its anyones guess, but the likely ones are QR (80) and SU (22), followed by the other outstanding orders and possibly some all-new ones.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 3):
I wonder how many A-350 orders they will anounce?

I would expect @ 200, though as EI321 already mentioned, most will have already been rumored for some time now.


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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Could be the third one !!

Strictly speaking, I believe it will be the fourth!
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
but the likely ones are QR (80) and SU (22), followed by the other outstanding orders

Yeah I guess QR, SU, and SQ could all firm up finally. Who would the other outstanding orders be that have not firmed up?  Confused

I would be surprised to see any new major orders.



As far as the thread topic... I doubt it! EK has yet to see one A380 delivered and the (4) they got I still believe were compensation for the delays.
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 11:33 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 7):
the (4) they got I still believe were compensation for the delays.

Didn't EK explicitly say that these four have nothing to do with compensation?

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 7):
I would be surprised to see any new major orders.

I'd be very surprised not to! Put it this way, if Airbus can't start announcing significant and "new" orders for the A350 by Le Bourget then they are really in trouble. They've clawed back some credibility through the latest make-over of the A350 but it's time now to start lining up a list of customers that can at least start to compare with the 787's impressive backlog.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
Didn't EK explicitly say that these four have nothing to do with compensation?

A carrier can say that all they want... EK's order history as of lately does not dictate just (4) new orders.

11/4/2001 (15)
06/13/2003 (21)


Quoting PM (Reply 8):
I'd be very surprised not to!

What carrier would be the new "major" order?
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 11:59 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):

A carrier can say that all they want...

You mean, lie?

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):
EK's order history as of lately does not dictate just (4) new orders.

11/4/2001 (15)
06/13/2003 (21)

Prior to the most recent order for 4 they had 43 on order. You've mentioned orders for 15 and 21. That's 36. 43-36 = 7. So when was the order for 7? And 7 is a lot closer to 4 than it is to 15 or 21.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):
What carrier would be the new "major" order?

I could speculate like anyone else but that's all it would be. We'll soon know.  Wink
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 12:20 pm

Emirates Orders for A380's over the years:

30/04/2000 - 5 A380 + 2 A380F
04/11/2001 - 15 A380
16/06/2003 - 21 A380
May 2006 - -2A380F + 2 A380 (converted freighter to passenger)
07/05/2007 - 4 A380

TOTAL - 47 A380 + 2 on lease

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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 11):
Emirates Orders for A380's over the years:

Thanks. So another order would be the fifth!
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 4:56 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 7):
I would be surprised to see any new major orders.

Airbus? At the Paris Air Show? No major new orders? You will be surprised!  rotfl 

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 7):
the (4) they got I still believe were compensation for the delays.

EK has repeatedly stated that the order had absolutely nothing to do with A380 compensation.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):
EK's order history as of lately does not dictate just (4) new orders.

EK has placed several small incremental orders for A380s. It was also stated when the order was announced that they took these four because the production slots became available. In the thread that discussed this incremental order, it was also pointed out that EK were still in negotiations with Airbus for even more A380s.
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 5:51 pm

Several very respected members have recently indicated that Emirates would be ordering additional A380's. The recent add on order for 4 frames was to secure delivery slots that had become open, most likely due to UPS and FedEx cancelations.

From what we have seen previously, those particular members have very good track record of being correct and usually know what they are talking about. If Emirates does place additional orders for the A380 it will most likely be at Le Bourget or at the Dubai Air Show.  Wink  Wink

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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sat May 19, 2007 6:00 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 14):
y, those particular members have very good track record of being correct and usually know what they are talking about. If Emirates does place additional orders for the A380 it will most likely be at Le Bourget or at the Dubai Air Show.

It will be very interesting to see what happens.
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):
A carrier can say that all they want.

Sorry but do you want imply EK lies to make Airbus look better? That makes a lot of sense.  Yeah sure

About the article IMHO that refers to the already announced order of 4 A380, some media is late. Dont believe we will see more orders from EK until EIS.
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 12:42 am

EK's insatiable appetite for widebody is simply amazing, and boggles the mind. I hope their growth strategy succeeds; otherwise desert parking would be very crowded.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 7):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
but the likely ones are QR (80) and SU (22), followed by the other outstanding orders

Yeah I guess QR, SU, and SQ could all firm up finally. Who would the other outstanding orders be that have not firmed up?

By outstanding, Im refering to orders or commitments for the old version. I would not be surprised to see a few of these signed up as XWBs at the airshow.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 7):
EK has yet to see one A380 delivered and the (4) they got I still believe were compensation for the delays.

EK has categorically stated that the latest order (4) has nowt to do with compensation. I believe the saw some empty slots and acted accordingly.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Easybourse has an article saying J Leahy is negotiaitng with EK for another A380 order , without disclosing the number of units he hopes to sell.
He also said the name of the first A380 VIP buyer will be revealed at the Paris Air Show + A350 orders.

I am surprised that nobody has asked these questions:

- Who is EASYBOURSE ?

- Where the Article can be read ??

- Is Mr. Leahy a credible source ??

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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 22):
- Who is EASYBOURSE ?

- Where the Article can be read ??

http://www.easybourse.com/Website/site/fra_accueil.php

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 22):
- Is Mr. Leahy a credible source ??

Is a chief salesman a credible source of information regarding a story that airbus is in negotiations to make a sale?
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 3:03 am

Just got back from Toulouse and word on the street is that it is a pretty large order...in the region of 40 frames or so...that's just rumours though.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Lokey123 (Reply 25):
Just got back from Toulouse and word on the street is that it is a pretty large order...in the region of 40 frames or so...that's just rumours though.

They discuss Airbus orders on the streets of Toulouse?! What a great place!
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Lokey123 (Reply 25):
Just got back from Toulouse and word on the street is that it is a pretty large order...in the region of 40 frames or so...that's just rumours though.

40 more A380s? I doubt it.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 27):

40 more A380s? I doubt it.

so did I...but time will tell.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 5:07 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 27):
40 more A380s? I doubt it.

I would too. Another 10-15 would seem to fit in with some of EK's plans (if they do indeed start a LCC off-shoot).

I do have a vague recollection of EK saying at one point, that they could see 100 A380s in their fleet (but I can't find a source for this).  Wow!
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Sun May 20, 2007 5:14 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 27):
40 more A380s? I doubt it.

This number sounds incredible, but you have to remember that EK is also talking to Boeing about the 748, and it could very well be that the negotiations referred to by Leahy is Airbus's counter offer to EK to buy more A380s in favor of the 748.

How many 748s would EK be interested in buying?
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Mon May 21, 2007 12:01 am

On a lighter note, would anybody care to hazard a guess as to how many (if any) A380 orders will be placed at the Paris air show, and with which airline(s)?

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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Mon May 21, 2007 1:19 am

My grasp of economics is poor at best, and when you're dealing with massively expensive stuff with long lead times it's even worse. But a question occurs to me, on reading this:

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 2):

EK would be wise to look at what happened to Jetblue today and realize that they are headed for the exact same place adding this much capacity without the organic growth to support it

From Airbus' point of view, do they factor in a risk that they "have all their eggs in one basket", and could/would there come a point where they start expecting EK to show a clear business case for all these frames before accepting any more orders?

Some will point out, of course, that "Airbus needs every A380 order it can get" - but do they need the one that pushes EK under before half the order is built and paid for? Yes, there probably are "riskier" customers on the order-book, but those are pretty small risks by comparison.

Hypothetically speaking, suppose EK went to Airbus tomorrow morning and wanted to order enough A380s to take the programme past break-even. Is the risk of taking that order too much? What would they do - come to an arrangement with a leasing company? tell EK to take a running jump? or just accept the order without asking questions and eat the risk?
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Mon May 21, 2007 5:42 am

Maybe some A.netters remember one year ago , i opened a thread saying "EK want a 100 A380s strong fleet".
Seems we are approaching time , when this come to reality............
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Mon May 21, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 23):
Quoting Lokey123 (Reply 25):
Just got back from Toulouse and word on the street is that it is a pretty large order...in the region of 40 frames or so...that's just rumours though.

40 more A380s? I doubt it.

EK is THE customer for Airbus. So I would not be surprised to see this linked to a 100+ order for A350's with interim A330's like they've done elsewhere. Even hearing Airbus has offered to buy back EK's older A330's to make room for interim new ones on lease until A350's arrive. May help to find a way to get more A380's out there and land EK for the A350 but absolutely terrible for A330 residual values.
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Mon May 21, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting Trevd (Reply 30):
Even hearing Airbus has offered to buy back EK's older A330's to make room for interim new ones on lease until A350's arrive.

Where sis you heard this, their oldest A330 is from 1999!
 
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Mon May 21, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting 6YJJK (Reply 28):
Some will point out, of course, that "Airbus needs every A380 order it can get" - but do they need the one that pushes EK under before half the order is built and paid for?

I realize that having such super-customers may be risky for Airbus. In the unlikely event that EK would fold, Airbus would lose a great customer, yes, but I don't think it would mean a total disaster for Airbus, for several reasons. Some of those reasons are:

1. Airbus would be able to keep the deposits for A380s that they haven't even started building yet.

2. EK competitors (such as EY, QR, LH, SQ, QF and others) would get an influx of passengers, and they would be required to buy more large airplanes. If EK would go bankrupt, expect all the aforementioned to increase the number of A380s that they have on order.
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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Mon May 21, 2007 2:45 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):
Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 22):
- Where the Article can be read ??
http://www.easybourse.com/Website/site/fra_accueil.php

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 22):
- Is Mr. Leahy a credible source ??
Is a chief salesman a credible source of information regarding a story that airbus is in negotiations to make a sale?

1) I do not see this article or interview on thewebsite you indicated (I read pefectly
French) ? If you could give me some hint ??

2) No. He is not enough credible, basing on his past declarations! By the way: why these
continuous hints and "filtrations" ??
"Negotiation" could mean anything, from first proposals on (as example, for the
Low Cost Airline) and ending with the formalization of the additional 4 units
already announced,

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RE: Another Emirates A380 Order In Sight?

Mon May 21, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 31):
Where sis you heard this, their oldest A330 is from 1999!

EK said earlier this year that they were considering ordering new A330s to replace existing ones. They're unlikely to receive any much before 2009 so they'd be replacing 10 year-old frames. That's not uncommon. SQ, for example, try to maintain a young fleet. Moreover, I believe that the EK products on the A330s is now inferior to that on many other models. It would cost a fair bit to refurbish older frames (as I understand it) and they are (or at least were back in the Spring) at least thinking of buying new frames instead.

It makes sense. Their A330s still have plenty of flying still in them and it's a plane much in demand right now. They'd certainly have no problem placing, say, half of their fleet - a dozen or fifteen or so.

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