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NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sat May 19, 2007 6:45 am

According to 9WSYR in Syracuse a NWA DC9 Enroute from SYR to DTW had to make an emergency landing in BUF due to"reported pressure loss and smoke in the cockpit around 1:15" . Apparently when the plane landed a "12" gash in the front of the fuselage, near rows 1 and 2. " was found. Link to the story:
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/stor...1f2815-b83b-4e61-b116-521b67205e6c
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sat May 19, 2007 7:06 am

*cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sat May 19, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
*cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....

Gotta love it. I wish the trend of outsourcing would change, but I know we'll see more before it's over. I know at UA in CLT for a time we did arrival checks before any ground equip was allowed near the plane. It was amazing some of the dents and other assorted items you would find.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sat May 19, 2007 7:20 am

This looks like the one. Didn't spend too much time in the air at all.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...1/history/20070518/1654Z/KSYR/KBUF
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sat May 19, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
*cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....

I'm not sure you can conclude that... Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too, and it's unlikely they would have made it to FL180 and not known about a problem caused by an accident on the ground.
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sat May 19, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too

If it was between row 1 and row 2 as mentioned, that would put it too far aft of the pax entry door to be anything the jetway could have done on that side. Likewise, too far aft of the forward service door to be a catering truck on the F/O's side.

My hunch is that something with a corrner (lav cart, tall bag cart, ground power unit) was driven too close to the fuselage and put a crease in it.
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sat May 19, 2007 9:03 am

Does anyone know who NW uses for their ground servicing in SYR?
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sat May 19, 2007 3:36 pm

Quoting Teneriffe77 (Reply 6):
Does anyone know who NW uses for their ground servicing in SYR?

That would be ZW!
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 1:36 am

Fatigue crack?


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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 2:16 am

Ay! It's been a busy week here in the skies over BUF.

It's a DC9-30, I'm going to try and get out for some pictures today but I'm not sure what they did with the bird... I'd assume it went over to Prior's hanger to be plugged, but maybe with a hole that big it would be easier just to W/O it.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
*cough* outsourcing *cough* Anyone remember what Menzies Aviation did to the AS jet....

Utter rubbish. Here in Europe "outsourcing" is common. Companies like Servisair, SwissPort, Aviance and Manzies do very good businesss, with repersentation form one of the four at almost all airports in Europe. Flights are not handled by the airports own personnel at outstations, and yet you dont see FR, EI, BA, SK, WW, BD, U2, LH, TP, IB, etc with large gashes (or any other type of damage) torn in the fuselage.

How do you know that the damage was not done in DTW or MSP, or anywhere elase NW has its own crews, only for the actual split/rupture to appear in flight?

Ive never understood the American airlines "need" to have employees at every airport the airline serves, its just not cost effective. Maybe that is one of teh reasons why so many American carriers are kneck deep in red ink?

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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 2:56 am

Quoting Skoker (Reply 9):
Ay! It's been a busy week here in the skies over BUF.

What else has been going on over BUF this week?


There's a news report from the incident with some passenger interviews, link below. Just click on the link above the picture of the plane that says "6pm news part 1".

http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=6536844&nav=menu41_2

[Edited 2007-05-19 20:04:09]
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 3:16 am

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S89138.shtml?cat=1

There is another video report with a number of glaring "media errors." I didn't know NW had 115 passenger Boeing DC9-30s. I'm glad age didn't find its way into this report...

PS: Burnsie, I'm sure aircraft damage is never a factor at NWA facilities.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting ZRB2 (Reply 11):
What else has been going on over BUF this week?

The crash at KDKK, to get the list started...
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 5:00 am

Did anyone get the reg. # on this aircraft?
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 5:46 am

It would be interesting to know the sequence of events leading up to and after the a/c was damaged. I was always told when working on the ramp that if you ever hit an airplane with any piece of equipment, tell the supervisor immediately. Don't just walk away and say nothing because the potential consequences could be deadly.

[Edited 2007-05-19 22:48:32]
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 6:38 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Though it sounds like a lot of damage and a weird spot for a bird, it's also a strange place for ground equipment trouble too,

So was AS's but that didn't cahcne.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
Ive never understood the American airlines "need" to have employees at every airport the airline serves, its just not cost effective.

Its called customer service, when i flew out of FRA the people there didn't really have much of a clue as to what they were doing. It is cost effective actually most US airlines are profitable again, the reason they are knee deep is because of low fares and horrible price of gas.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 12):
I didn't know NW had 115 passenger Boeing DC9-30s. I'm glad age didn't find its way into this report...

Well Technically, the media refers to them as Boeing DC9s since Boeing took over McDonnell Douglas. But in all respects, this is a Douglas Commercial DC-9-31.
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 2:00 pm

Quoting G5 (Reply 14):
Did anyone get the reg. # on this aircraft?

Looks to be ship 9936 from the video linked.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 2:10 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 1):
*cough* outsourcing *cough*

It could just as easily be fatigue. Some of those aircraft are over 40 years old.
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 6:01 pm

I love how that news report said some guy decided to drive home to Indianapolis because he didn't trust NW. Have fun buddy...
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 6:08 pm

... aren't we forgetting that DC-9's don't make emergency landings? They just decide they're not happy with the scheduled destination...


Anyway, no matter how well maintained an A/C is, I suppose you can't ignore the fact that they are getting quite old and somewhat tired... and putting the blame on outsourcing seems just a bit too easy imho
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Sun May 20, 2007 6:26 pm

Explain the reason for the smoke.
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Mon May 21, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting Skoker (Reply 18):
User currently offlineSkoker

9936 is N1799U a Southern bird then over to Republic....

If its 9935, that would be N1332, another Southern bird.
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Mon May 21, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 22):
Explain the reason for the smoke.

Probably wasn't smoke. A rapid decompression can leave a fog in the cabin air. It might look like smoke, and combined with the heat from the chemically generated emergency oxygen system could leave the average airline passenger calling it "smoke".
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Mon May 21, 2007 4:41 am

Good thing this didn't happen at 30,000 feet. That could hurt people.

Isn't the Capt supposed to do a visual inspection of the fuselage before flights? Or am I wrong there. Thanks.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Mon May 21, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 24):
and combined with the heat from the chemically generated emergency oxygen system

Roger on the water vapor looking like smoke, but I'm pretty sure that the DC-9s (anything older than the -80) had a "plumbed" oxygen system (just as the 731s and 732s did), and not a chemical generator system.

All of our 732s had a plumbed system except for one delivered just before the 733s arrived, with the 733s also having chemical generators.
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Mon May 21, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 12):
I didn't know NW had 115 passenger Boeing DC9-30s. I'm glad age didn't find its way into this report...

Interesting how the reporter said "McDonnell Douglass", but the graphic on the screen said "Boeing."
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Mon May 21, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 25):
Isn't the Capt supposed to do a visual inspection of the fuselage before flights? Or am I wrong there. Thanks.

First officer's job, but either way, someone is supposed to to a walk around.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Mon May 21, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 25):
Isn't the Capt supposed to do a visual inspection of the fuselage before flights? Or am I wrong there. Thanks.

The FO's at NW do a walk around before every flight. Had it happened before that he would have noticed, Southwest pilots only do walkarounds at the beginning of a day or change of aircraft. This is why i suspect something on the ground during loading caused this incident.
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Mon May 21, 2007 11:18 am

Ever watch a capt or f/o do a walkaround? While some certainly may be conscientious, there are plenty who do just what the name implies: they walk around the airplane without looking at it. I've seen numerous crewmembers out there doing a 'preflight' while yapping on the cell phone, completely missing the fact that theres an airplane there. I've seen them walk under a wing and never even cast a glance upwards.
I remember one recent maintenance call where the crew complained of a low hydraulic qty. The captain proclaimed in his infinite wisdom that "there couldn't be a leak, I did a walkaround and didn't see it". Well, his walkaround must not have taken him by one of the inboard slats that had a line which was pissing skydrol like there was no tomorrow. The misty cloud of Skydrol and the puddle on the ground wasn't enough to raise suspicions.  

My point? In some instances, there could be an engine missing on the wing and they wouldn't spot it til they went to start it at departure time.  

By the way, I saw the damage. It was DEFINITELY ground equipment. Not just fatigue. No doubt.

[Edited 2007-05-21 04:21:50]
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Tue May 22, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 29):
The FO's at NW do a walk around before every flight. Had it happened before that he would have noticed, Southwest pilots only do walkarounds at the beginning of a day or change of aircraft. This is why i suspect something on the ground during loading caused this incident.

What about Mx.
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Tue May 22, 2007 7:22 am

Any word on the status of the a/c?
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Tue May 22, 2007 7:44 am

I believe it ferried Sunday to AAR In IND
 
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RE: NWA DC-9 Emergency Landing IN BUF

Tue May 22, 2007 9:00 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 26):
oger on the water vapor looking like smoke, but I'm pretty sure that the DC-9s (anything older than the -80) had a "plumbed" oxygen system (just as the 731s and 732s did), and not a chemical generator system.

Either one of us may be correct, but I'm thinking it was upgraded when the new cabins were put in the -9's...