MarkChief
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AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 1:40 am

Hi, I did a quick research here and I didn't find any information on the new routes that we can expect to see from YUL in a near future. Is there someone here that can inform me?

Cheers!

Marky Mark
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 1:42 am

Well YUL-FCO launches shortly. Beyond that, look for some Embraer flying in the northeast and into the Caribbean.
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 1:48 am

Lool for some more Caribbean routes, PLS and UVF has already been uploaded.

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MarkChief
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 1):
Well YUL-FCO launches shortly.

...so any other international routes?
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 6:04 am

I wish they'd reinstate YUL-ATL with at least a junglejet. Every time I do ATL-YUL on DL(ASA) it's loaded. AC's product, at least for me, has really turned around. I guess AC just doesn't think it's worth the metal. I'm glad to see they're picking up FCO.

[Edited 2007-05-20 23:16:18]
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 6:09 am

yul-AMS will come at some points old canadien route
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 5):
yul-AMS will come at some points old canadien route

AC don't even do YYZ-AMS, let alone YUL.
 
MarkChief
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 6:28 am

...as we can read on Wikipedia.com

Future destinations
Aéroports de Montréal is currently examining new potential destinations to serve Montreal-Trudeau, which include: Geneva, Switzerland; Santiago, Chile; Tel Aviv, Israel; and Tokyo, Japan. There are also talks about improving the connection between the U.S. South and West.

I ask myself if these possible new routes can be viable in terms of load factors... but these possible routes show that YUL can be a good connection airport, along with YYZ for the east coast and YVR in the west.

Marky Mark
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting MarkChief (Reply 7):
...as we can read on Wikipedia.com

Well, there you go!!!.....because, as we all know, if it's on Wikipedia then it must be true.  sarcastic 
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 8):
Well, there you go!!!.....because, as we all know, if it's on Wikipedia then it must be true.

Just because it's on wikipedia doesn't mean it's false either, calm down

I too would like to see them in ATL...would be good competition, and good for a bunch of Star A people
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 8:30 am

yul-Gva would work, yul-NRT not sure, Yul-TLV, OK, YUL-SCL once a week would do well...

yul-AMS is like yul FCO was a Canadien route that AC trying back again AMS is next and a real maybe BRU
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 11:17 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
yul-Gva would work

Doesn't Swiss already cover that route, or is it Zurich?

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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 12:19 pm

We're also waiting for YUL-BEY someday whenever the political Gods make it possible.
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
yul-NRT not sure,

I think it could. Quebec has good trade with Japan mainly consisting of lumber, high-tech and aerospace. Also there is a strange cultrual relationship between Quebec and Japan. Tons of Quebecers come over here to study the arts. I actually work on a program for Quebec-Japan cultural/business/education exchange. It keeps us very busy. Most of them come from Montreal and the Laurantian. I can tell you if YUL-NRT started, it would be great for my business. I think though it would be a 787 route.

Personally I would love to see more AC in Japan.
My name is Centrair but HND is closer. Let's Japanese Aviation!
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 1:33 pm

Aéroports de Montréal is currently examining new potential destinations to serve Montreal-Trudeau, which include: Geneva, Switzerland; Santiago, Chile; Tel Aviv, Israel; and Tokyo, Japan. There are also talks about improving the connection between the U.S. South and West.

Airports don't decide routes, airlines do. This would be a reference to the airport's air service development goals, presumably from among carriers with which the forecast teams deem there to be demand.
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 1:37 pm

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
YUL-SCL once a week would do well...

Once a week routes rarely work. YUL-SCL would need to be 3x weekly at least. That's a moot point though, there is no market for such service.
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 3:59 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
YUL-SCL would need to be 3x weekly at least

It could be twice weekly, like JL does on YVR-MEX. I think the route is working for them.
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 5:07 pm

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 16):
It could be twice weekly, like JL does on YVR-MEX. I think the route is working for them.

YUL-SCL couldn't even be twice weekly. The market isn't there.

You are right that MEX works for JAL 2x a week. Royal Jordanian starts YUL-AMM this week, and it too will be 2x a week. There are many example where 2x-3x a week does work, but most of it caters to VFR and leisure traffic, of which YUL-SCL wouldn't be.
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 11:35 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Royal Jordanian starts YUL-AMM this week

Aircraft will be an A340.

Also, Air Algerie will begin twice weekly service in June from Algiers with an A330-200

Quoting Caribb (Reply 12):
We're also waiting for YUL-BEY someday whenever the political Gods make it possible.

With Royal Jordanian starting service to Amman, and arriving in YUL as early as it is, it is providing the lebanese community of Montreal a viable alternate to fly to BEY.

One of the reasons why RJ is arriving in YUL at 7AM and leaving a couple of hours later is to arrive in Amman at 5AM in time for the connection to BEY.

[Edited 2007-05-21 16:47:01]
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Royal Jordanian starts YUL-AMM this week

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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Mon May 21, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 13):
I actually work on a program for Quebec-Japan cultural/business/education exchange. It keeps us very busy. Most of them come from Montreal and the Laurantian. I can tell you if YUL-NRT started, it would be great for my business. I think though it would be a 787 route.

Sure, but enough to fill 200 seats a day?! More like 200 seats a year, right? For which, these low-yield pax can fly via YYZ.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
Yul-TLV

I think you mean...

Quoting Caribb (Reply 12):
We're also waiting for YUL-BEY someday whenever the political Gods make it possible.

Beirut would be sold out, every flight, all summer. Terrible shame this never happened. I think it's too late now, Lebanon is drifting away from the west after what was done to them last summer. Bye bye pro-Western government, bye bye any accomodation with Israel, therefore USA. It was Washington that stopped this flight from happening when the coast was clear, they certainly won't allow it nowadays.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
YUL-SCL once a week would do well...

Sure, and Montreal to Dar Es Salaam would do equally well.
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Cgagn (Reply 11):
Doesn't Swiss already cover that route, or is it Zurich?

LX flies daily ZRH-YUL with an A330.
AC flies daily ZRH-YYZ with a B767 but no longer extends the route to DEL.

Geneva Airport has always claimed there is enough demand for GVA-YUL. There are indeed a lot of passengers flying through CDG (AF), AMS (KL), FRA (AC), ZRH (LX) to link both cities.

I am not sure however the point-to-point demand is sufficient to fly GVA-YUL non-stop. Maybe with a 767 but certainly not daily (something like 3 or 4/7). Furhermore it is difficult to transfer in GVA because LX hub is ZRH and it has only few European destinations ex GVA (BCN, MOW, ATH, ...).

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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 1:40 am

I've flown MRS-BRU-YUL a few times on sabena, flights were almost always full. YUL may be the 2nd route brussels airlines strats in North America after JFK if they go across the pond...

YUL-GVA may be, 3 times a week could work.

May be YUL-NCE too, some years ago AC was doing YUL-LHR-NCE, those flights were nice.  Wink

Why are we talking about SCL, i think GRU is a bigger market, and the new VARIG might re-enter star. This route might work 3 times a week too i think.
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 1:41 am

I doubt that YUL-SCL is viable. I flew MX last summer from YUL to Mexico city and I think they offer great connection opportunities to S.America. Lan Chile used to fly to YUL back in the eighties but it was a tag-on to a JFK routing. These don't often happen anymore with codeshares etc.

YUL-GVA would be possible but I think you'd see Air Transat on it first and for some reason it just doesn't happen.

YUL-Tokyo. Maybe in 10 or 20 years.

YUL-Tel Aviv. Both El Al and AC have flown this route in the past but once AC blew El Al off the route they also dropped it in favour of connections via YYZ. I quess this is the most efficient way to go now.

I think AC would most likely re-enter YUL-BRU on a seasonal basis, continue to lobby for YUL-Beruit (unlikely but why give up) and maybe try a few new U.S destinations with RJ's in the future.

Other than that, frequency boosts will likely be made to help take advantage of the recently surprisingly robust growth in the YUL market (+8.5% Q-1 '07).
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 8:14 am

YUL will continue to grow YMX is dead and connexion possibility from other cities in Canada is good Yul is smaller than YYZ cost less and connection are efficient...

AMS, GVA, BRU, will come back to Yul For AC or European Carrier...
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 8:28 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
yul-AMS is like yul FCO was a Canadien route that AC trying back again AMS is next and a real maybe BRU

Again, why would AC ever do YUL-AMS when they don't even do YYZ-AMS?

Leave the AMS flying to KL...and maybe down the road NW. With the new open skies 5th freedoms NW routes to AMS from the like of YHZ and YOW on a 757 are now possible.
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 8:40 am

i dont care that AC doesn't to YYZ-AMS... that doesn't mean that YUL-AMS wouldn't work... there is some city in Europe that have a better fit with Montréal than Toronto... Paris, Geneva, Brussel, Athens, comes to mind

YVR Got route To Asia that YYZ doesn't have...

Even AC do YUL-CDG with more frequencies and seats that of YYZ-CDG... they will do a route where there is money to be make if they can find the metal to do it... FCO was over do.... it is not normal that Montréal only had services from AC to LHR, CDG and FRA to Europe... FCO and AMS where serve by CP-Canadien and FCO just got back on...

Slowly but surely YUL will get a little bit better and bigger to Europe first than will see... Asia or South america??? dont know...

Tel aviv would work with the jewish comunity in Montréal...

[Edited 2007-05-22 01:41:11]
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 9:50 am

IMO, forget YUL-SLC for now. The only Transborder possibilities for YUL with AC I see are RDU, CLT, IAH, RSW, PBI, and maybe PHX in the future.
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 10:02 am

PBI is a seasonal week end from yul in the winter already i think
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 11:31 am

I don't think so, YULYMX. AC fly that route this year.

Question: Considering Montreal is the #2 Canadian O/D market out of SLC, how the hell does Delta make SLC-YYJ/YVR/YEG/YYC/YWG work when they are a fraction of the YUL-SLC O/D market? Are they simply targeting Western Canadians connecting eastwards?
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 12:35 pm

Quoting Skywatcher (Reply 23):
I flew MX last summer from YUL to Mexico city and I think they offer great connection opportunities to S.America.

Not really. Mexicana does not have an extensive Latin American network.
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 8:41 pm

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 26):
there is some city in Europe that have a better fit with Montréal than Toronto... Paris, Geneva, Brussel, Athens, comes to mind

Geneva to Montreal ??? no flights between those 2 cities...
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 9:27 pm

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 31):

Not yet
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 9:43 pm

Didn't LanChile once have Montreal at the end of their SCL-XXX-MIA-JFK run? I imagine that was back in the day YUL was still the center of Canadian commerce and a significant trans-Atlantic hub.
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 9:45 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 33):

That was a long time ago in YMX i beleive, Lan chilie and Aero Argentina flew in Montreal with a Stop in JFK
 
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 10:56 pm

Statistics Canada just came out with 2005 transborder O&D stats. Some interesting stuff:

Montreal, Que. 2004 outbound, inbound, total, 2005 outbound, inbound, total
Akron, Ohio 530 550 1,080 450 430 880
Albuquerque, N.M. 2,560 2,520 5,080 2,340 2,360 4,700
Allentown, Pa. 1,100 1,060 2,160 790 780 1,570
Anchorage, Alaska 1,440 1,560 3,000 1,570 1,700 3,270
Appleton, Wis. 1,020 1,010 2,030 1,220 1,170 2,390
Asheville, N.C. 420 380 800 410 360 770
Atlanta, Ga. 36,490 36,870 73,360 39,830 39,140 78,970
Augusta, Ga. 300 310 610 310 310 620
Austin, Tex. 4,770 4,680 9,450 4,790 4,680 9,470
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 640 660 1,300 530 560 1,090
Billings, Mont. 200 210 410 200 220 420
Birmingham, Ala. 2,430 2,380 4,810 2,040 2,020 4,060
Bloomington, Ill. 440 500 940 370 350 720
Boise, Idaho 790 840 1,630 630 620 1,250
Boston, Mass. 35,790 35,310 71,100 41,430 40,890 82,320
Bozeman, Mont. 230 220 450 200 170 370
Brownsville, Tex. 160 160 320 230 230 460
Buffalo, N.Y. 880 610 1,490 1,160 650 1,810
Cedar Rapids, Iowa 1,240 1,250 2,490 1,760 1,730 3,490
Champaign, Ill. 540 510 1,050 520 520 1,040
Charleston, S.C. 2,050 2,120 4,170 2,340 2,390 4,730
Charleston, W. Va. 380 490 870 430 380 810
Charlotte, N.C. 10,160 9,910 20,070 8,680 8,350 17,030
Charlottesville, Va. 520 560 1,080 580 600 1,180
Chattanooga, Tenn. 420 400 820 590 630 1,220
Chicago, Ill. 66,810 67,780 134,590 69,200 69,660 138,860
Cincinnati, Ohio 9,160 9,380 18,540 9,920 10,270 20,190
Cleveland, Ohio 11,380 11,330 22,710 12,120 12,690 24,810
College Station, Tex. 260 300 560 140 170 310
Colorado Springs, Colo. 740 750 1,490 1,120 1,110 2,230
Columbia, S.C. 1,060 950 2,010 1,330 1,330 2,660
Columbus, Ohio 4,980 4,890 9,870 5,180 5,450 10,630
Corpus Christi, Tex. 360 350 710 290 280 570
Dallas-Ft Worth, Tex. 26,320 25,990 52,310 29,160 28,960 58,120
Dayton, Ohio 2,020 1,960 3,980 1,740 1,650 3,390
Daytona Beach, Fla. 1,280 1,350 2,630 770 750 1,520
Denver, Colo. 14,230 13,920 28,150 13,200 13,050 26,250
Des Moines, Iowa 1,550 1,420 2,970 1,240 1,310 2,550
Detroit, Mich. 18,290 18,840 37,130 17,720 18,440 36,160
Duluth-Superior, Minn. 310 380 690 400 430 830
El Paso, Tex. 1,370 1,330 2,700 1,180 1,230 2,410
Erie, Pa. 280 260 540 340 310 650
Eugene, Ore. 300 290 590 270 280 550
Evansville, Ind. 830 770 1,600 540 630 1,170
Fargo, N.D. 240 280 520 210 190 400
Fayetteville, Ark. 780 830 1,610 880 870 1,750
Flint, Mich. 260 310 570 200 180 380
Fort Wayne, Ind. 840 840 1,680 760 790 1,550
Fresno, Calif. 450 480 930 610 610 1,220
Ft Lauderdale, Fla. 77,000 77,100 154,100 88,700 91,720 180,420
Ft Myers, Fla. 4,860 4,980 9,840 6,340 6,520 12,860
Ft Walton Beach, Fla. 470 440 910 560 600 1,160
Gainesville, Fla. 260 260 520 340 350 690
Grand Rapids, Mich. 2,630 2,550 5,180 2,620 2,680 5,300
Green Bay, Wis. 1,290 1,360 2,650 1,380 1,380 2,760
Greensboro-Win-Salem, N.C. 3,270 3,370 6,640 3,600 3,510 7,110
Greenville-Spartanburg, S.C. 3,080 2,900 5,980 3,340 3,310 6,650
Harrisburg, Pa. 1,800 1,730 3,530 1,510 1,600 3,110
Hartford-Springfi eld, Conn. 6,230 6,250 12,480 6,460 6,120 12,580
Hawaii, Hawaii 6,700 6,840 13,540 8,420 8,340 16,760
Houston, Tex. 15,900 15,820 31,720 16,680 16,580 33,260
Huntsville-Decatur, Ala. 960 900 1,860 800 790 1,590
Indianapolis, Ind. 7,540 7,180 14,720 7,160 7,020 14,180
Jackson Hole, Wyo. 160 130 290 200 280 480
Jackson, Miss. 640 610 1,250 720 700 1,420
Jacksonville, Fla. 4,080 4,060 8,140 4,420 4,370 8,790
Kalamazoo, Mich. 620 610 1,230 720 700 1,420
Kansas City, Mo. 4,830 4,860 9,690 4,930 5,130 10,060
Key West, Fla. 270 270 540 190 220 410
Knoxville, Tenn. 2,060 1,930 3,990 2,360 2,300 4,660
La Crosse, Wis. 120 90 210 240 230 470
Lafayette, Louisiana 300 320 620 250 260 510
Lansing, Mich. 470 490 960 500 510 1,010
Laredo, Tex. 210 210 420 180 180 360
Las Vegas, Nev. 45,310 45,830 91,140 53,540 53,690 107,230
Lexington, Ky. 1,210 1,210 2,420 1,170 1,210 2,380
Lincoln, Nebr. 590 590 1,180 480 480 960
Little Rock, Ark. 1,280 1,310 2,590 1,110 1,130 2,240
Los Angeles, Calif. 75,710 75,810 151,520 79,930 79,900 159,830
Louisville, Ky. 2,420 2,490 4,910 2,150 2,150 4,300
Madison, Wis. 2,340 2,440 4,780 2,140 2,160 4,300
Marquette, Mich. 230 200 430 110 130 240
McAllen, Tex. 670 670 1,340 700 690 1,390
Melbourne, Fla. 750 700 1,450 670 710 1,380
Memphis, Tenn. 4,080 4,180 8,260 3,590 3,730 7,320
Miami, Fla. 71,630 73,710 145,340 73,100 76,010 149,110
Milwaukee, Wis. 5,190 5,090 10,280 5,450 5,440 10,890
Minneapolis-St Paul, Minn. 16,910 16,580 33,490 16,980 17,440 34,420
Mobile, Ala. 680 640 1,320 620 690 1,310
Moline, Ill. 550 550 1,100 570 520 1,090
Monterey, Calif. 250 250 500 180 170 350
Montgomery, Ala. 350 330 680 200 170 370
Myrtle Beach, S.C. 960 1,010 1,970 1,480 1,510 2,990
Nashville, Tenn. 6,560 6,480 13,040 6,030 5,820 11,850
New Orleans, Louisiana 9,320 9,490 18,810 6,740 6,710 13,450
New York, N.Y. 175,330 178,680 354,010 195,390 195,250 390,640
Norfolk, Va. 2,350 2,390 4,740 2,560 2,420 4,980
Oklahoma City, Okla. 1,720 1,740 3,460 1,510 1,550 3,060
Omaha, Nebr. 2,000 2,090 4,090 1,900 1,940 3,840
Orlando, Fla. 43,660 43,020 86,680 52,610 51,850 104,460
Palm Springs, Calif. 1,430 1,450 2,880 1,090 1,140 2,230
Panama City, Fla. 480 460 940 500 470 970
Pensacola, Fla. 870 880 1,750 1,050 1,040 2,090
Peoria, Ill. 640 650 1,290 800 790 1,590
Philadelphia, Pa. 32,530 32,900 65,430 36,700 37,280 73,980
Phoenix, Ariz. 14,950 14,850 29,800 14,670 14,520 29,190
Pittsburgh, Pa. 10,050 10,070 20,120 7,970 7,920 15,890
Portland, Ore. 5,550 5,630 11,180 5,420 5,340 10,760
Providence, R.I. 730 750 1,480 810 900 1,710
Raleigh-Durham, N.C. 10,740 10,650 21,390 9,940 9,700 19,640
Reno, Nev. 1,730 1,810 3,540 1,540 1,560 3,100
Richmond, Va. 3,360 3,220 6,580 2,590 2,550 5,140
Roanoke, Va. 950 800 1,750 960 810 1,770
Rochester, Minn. 360 430 790 450 480 930
Rochester, N.Y. 450 270 720 560 430 990
Sacramento, Calif. 3,120 3,180 6,300 2,770 2,750 5,520
Saginaw, Mich. 460 450 910 410 390 800
Salisbury, Md. 100 90 190 280 270 550
Salt Lake City, Utah 6,330 6,240 12,570 6,810 6,960 13,770
San Antonio, Tex. 4,930 4,860 9,790 4,390 4,350 8,740
San Diego, Calif. 14,680 14,580 29,260 13,210 13,200 26,410
San Francisco/Oakland, Calif. 52,790 53,210 106,000 49,630 49,450 99,080
San Juan, PR 8,770 8,760 17,530 8,660 8,420 17,080
Santa Barbara, Calif. 440 460 900 320 310 630
Sarasota-Bradenton, Fla. 1,900 1,920 3,820 1,740 1,770 3,510
Savannah, Ga. 1,920 2,020 3,940 2,010 2,030 4,040
Seattle/Tacoma, Wash. 12,520 12,240 24,760 12,300 12,320 24,620
Shreveport, Louisiana 530 520 1,050 500 510 1,010
Sioux Falls, S.D. 520 530 1,050 410 440 850
South Bend, Ind. 1,070 1,030 2,100 760 710 1,470
Spokane, Wash. 800 780 1,580 690 670 1,360
Springfi eld, Mo. 520 580 1,100 460 470 930
St Louis, Mo. 8,010 7,850 15,860 8,550 8,450 17,000
State College, Pa. 630 680 1,310 680 710 1,390
Stevens Point, Wis. 590 580 1,170 610 670 1,280
Tallahassee, Fla. 790 780 1,570 760 680 1,440
Tampa/St Petersburg, Fla. 21,960 22,120 44,080 21,150 21,110 42,260
Toledo, Ohio 420 380 800 160 150 310
Traverse City, Mich. 270 260 530 230 280 510
Tri-City, Tenn. 680 720 1,400 350 420 770
Tucson, Ariz. 3,480 3,620 7,100 3,370 3,320 6,690
Tulsa, Okla. 1,480 1,450 2,930 1,400 1,430 2,830
Washington/Baltimore, D.C. 58,160 58,350 116,510 59,570 58,900 118,470
West Palm Beach, Fla. 8,220 8,260 16,480 7,300 7,990 15,290
Wichita, Kans. 2,580 2,650 5,230 2,680 2,760 5,440
Wilmington, N.C. 290 290 580 540 530 1,070
Other cities 8,190 8,110 16,300 8,560 8,410 16,970
 
nycfly75
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Tue May 22, 2007 11:34 pm

Although it doesnt sound as sexy as the other destinations discussed here, what are the chances of AC expanding into JFK beyond YYC and YVR. Im sure 2x YUL and YYZ would do well out of JFK, as DL's rjs are always seem to be full out of JFK to YUL.
 
Thenoflyzone
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting Drgmobile (Reply 35):
Statistics Canada just came out with 2005 transborder O&D stats. Some interesting stuff:

NY City airports seem to take the cake, followed by FLL, LAX, MIA, ORD, LAS, IAD/DCA, MCO, SFO, BOS, ATL and PHL.
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
 
YULWinterSkies
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Cgagn (Reply 11):
Doesn't Swiss already cover that route, or is it Zurich?

It is ZRH, but for some reason a lot of the pax on that flight seem to actually go to GVA... So, why not? Anyway I'd be among the ones who'll like it!!!!


GVA, to date, only has EWR (CO) and JFK (LX) as transatl flights. Should that suggest that GVA is actually a very small market? I'd think so because the flights to NYC are there because of the special NYC-GVA relationship (the UN), but the special YUL-GVA relationship (linguistic) could perhaps make it happen.
When I doubt... go running!
 
Noise
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting Drgmobile (Reply 35):

Looking at those numbers, although there was a net increase in Transborder O/D traffic, most US markets from YUL saw decreased rather than increased traffic. If it wasn't for big increase at YUL-BOS, ATL, DFW, FLL, MCO, LAX, LAS, PHL and NYC, we would have seen a net decrease in terms of O/D Transborder traffic out of YUL for 2005. Pretty much all Tier II and Tier III markets shrunk. I wonder how 2006 is going to look like. Any idea when the 2006 results come out???
 
flyb
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting Noise (Reply 29):
Question: Considering Montreal is the #2 Canadian O/D market out of SLC, how the hell does Delta make SLC-YYJ/YVR/YEG/YYC/YWG work when they are a fraction of the YUL-SLC O/D market? Are they simply targeting Western Canadians connecting eastwards?

Yes, SLC is just a good hub for transfering to other western (sometimes eastern) destinations. While O/D market isn't that strong out of these markets, SLC is a good option to Western US destinations.
 
drgmobile
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 2:15 am

Looking at those numbers, although there was a net increase in Transborder O/D traffic, most US markets from YUL saw decreased rather than increased traffic. If it wasn't for big increase at YUL-BOS, ATL, DFW, FLL, MCO, LAX, LAS, PHL and NYC, we would have seen a net decrease in terms of O/D Transborder traffic out of YUL for 2005. Pretty much all Tier II and Tier III markets shrunk. I wonder how 2006 is going to look like. Any idea when the 2006 results come out???

The numbers just came out so I would expect next year.

The totals still represent growth and Transport's transborder forecasts are for continued growth, but it has slowed a lot -- this is a national phenomenan. The Stats Can traveller numbers show that Americans are flying into Canada a lot less, but this is offset by more Canadians flying into the U.S. (and overseas for that matter). We've seen some new routes being added into some of Canada's smaller communities, although this often is to feed international passengers travelling into Canada via U.S. hubs
 
Noise
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 3:53 am

The slow Transborder growth is probably the result of a higher Canadian dollar (for 2005). The new Passport rules we're implemented until this year.
 
drgmobile
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 4:29 am

The slow Transborder growth is probably the result of a higher Canadian dollar (for 2005). The new Passport rules we're implemented until this year.

It was both. There was a misconception in the U.S. that passport restrictions already were in place before they were. Also, some convention groups stopped booking events in Canada because of the upcoming rules (anecdotal).

Doogie
 
CRJpurser
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 6:01 am

Starting June 1st, YUL-YQY returns with a daily CRJ flight on Air Canada Jazz.
 
flyyul
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 7:04 am

Its important to recognize the major AC expansion, that has led to the following new routes under 5 years

Canada:
Edmonton (now double daily)
Sydney
Deer Lake
St.John (now triple daily... from seasonal)
Charlottetown (now tripe daily)

USA:
Denver
Las Vegas (now double daily in peak)
San Francisco (now year-round)
increased freq's to LAX (single to triple), LGA and BOS
Cuts to PHL and ATL

International
Rome
Mexico City
Cancun (from weekly to daily)
plus double YULLHR CDG and FRA

Overall capacity has grown at least 20-25% in 5 years at YUL, under the AC FLAG. Is there more room for expansion? I believe so, but at a lesser rate of growth
 
Skywatcher
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 7:05 am

Out of the top 25 YUL-USA markets, 15 showed growth and 10 a decline for '05 vs '04.
Of the 10 that showed a delcine only one was in the top 10 markets (SFO).

Orlando, Boston, Las Vegas and Ft.Lauderdale were all up between 15 and 20% while 9 out of 10 of the top markets increased.

I stand corrected. Mexicana in fact does not offer connections to S.America via MEX. What was I thinking?

[Edited 2007-05-23 00:33:43]
 
Viscount724
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 38):
GVA, to date, only has EWR (CO) and JFK (LX) as transatl flights. Should that suggest that GVA is actually a very small market? I'd think so because the flights to NYC are there because of the special NYC-GVA relationship (the UN), but the special YUL-GVA relationship (linguistic) could perhaps make it happen.

And QR GVA-EWR 4 times a week starting June 28 (DOH-GVA-EWR with A330-200).

GVA airport data 3 or 4 years ago showed YUL among the top 3 or 4 origin/destination markets from GVA without direct service (#1 was Tokyo and I think another was Washington). Apart from numerous UN and other international organizations (e.g. World Trade Organization), GVA is also the European (and sometimes Africa & Middle East) headquarters for several big multi-national companies including Procter & Gamble, Colgate-Palmolive, and Caterpillar. It's also the HQ of many major Swiss watchmaking companies including Rolex, and a major banking and financial center, especially in the wealth management and private banking areas. All those operations generate a lot of high-yield business traffic, although ironically the largest airline at GVA with about 31% of passenger traffic is now low-cost carrier EasyJet.

However I question whether a daily nonstop GVA-YUL would be viable year-round. YUL is a popular tourist destination from the GVA area (including neighboring France since GVA is right on the border), partly for linguistic reasons as you mention. But that's mostly summer traffic. GVA isn't very big, population around 450,000 although the airport serves a regional population of about 1 million on both sides of the border. For a city that size it handles more than its share of traffic; it will break the 10 million passenger mark for the first time this year (9.6 million last year). And not many cities GVA's size are served by 43 scheduled airlines.
 
ucunnn2
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 10:58 am

Quoting Skywatcher (Reply 46):
I stand corrected. Mexicana in fact does not offer connections to S.America via MEX. What was I thinking?

i double checked two ticket sites, and MX has special prices for connecting flights from YYZ or YVR to EZE, CCS and BOG...

It offers connections from Canada to these citites, but yes not from YUL maybe because the flight its on a different schedule and there is a long waiting time for connections.
 
foxxray
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RE: AC New Routes From YUL

Wed May 23, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 47):
However I question whether a daily nonstop GVA-YUL would be viable year-round. YUL is a popular tourist destination from the GVA area (including neighboring France since GVA is right on the border), partly for linguistic reasons as you mention.

Dont forget that Lyon has already 4 weekly flights to YUL and 2 weekly to YYZ with TS !

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