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Pan Am 747 Configuration

Mon May 21, 2007 1:53 am

Looking through the old PA timetables in my collection, the seat maps show regular 747 layouts and another layout for South American service. If this was true, anyone know which particular aircraft were used for South America? Also, I know PA had a fleet of 742s from the mid-80s till the end. Were these used for mostly longer range routes or did they also supplement the 741s? Thanks for any info.

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RE: Pan Am 747 Configuration

Mon May 21, 2007 2:16 am

The 742's (N723PA, N724PA, N726PA, N727PA, N728PA, N729PA, N730PA) were all used for regular trans-atlantic trips. At LHR, we saw them all..........
Can't help you with your query on the South American layout - I don't recall that.
 
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RE: Pan Am 747 Configuration

Mon May 21, 2007 2:19 am

The South American configuration birds if I recall correctly compromised of 5 ex UA N47xxU and 2 ex AA N96xx examples and were used on on the MIA/JFK-EZE/GIG/GRU nonstop runs along with the MIA-LAX PA441/440 tag and occasional MIA-JFK run.

As far as the -200s they floated around the system without being assigned to specific routes, with the exception of PA150/151 FRA-LAX-FRA which was nearly always a -200.
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RE: Pan Am 747 Configuration

Mon May 21, 2007 4:53 am

I flew PA JFK-GIG, GIG-EZE, MVD-GIG, and GIG-JFK the week after Lockerbie, and yes the A/C had a different configuration for South America. The F/C cabin was larger and took zones A & B, where Clipper Class would have been for trans Atlantic Service. Zone A was non-smoking and the rear of B was the smoking section. I still smoked at the time so I was in the rear half of F.

The crew complained that the A/C used were ex UA birds and if IRC had lower lobe galleys, but I'm not 100% sure of that.

[Edited 2007-05-20 21:54:20]
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RE: Pan Am 747 Configuration

Mon May 21, 2007 5:20 am

I found some older documents. As of spring 1998, the following aircraft had the lower density (more F and C Class) configuration and were primarily assigned to the South America operation.

N4703U
N4704U
N4710U
N4711U
N4712U
N9760
N9674


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RE: Pan Am 747 Configuration

Mon May 21, 2007 11:23 am

Laxintl, you da man!

Very informative posts, thanks a lot for finding the info. And thanks to everyone else who replied as well.

-Andrew

[Edited 2007-05-21 04:28:43]
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RE: Pan Am 747 Configuration

Tue May 22, 2007 12:17 am

All 6 of those birds (4xua and 2xaa) came with lower lobe galley configs. All 6 were sent to Boeing at ICT and were CRAF modified to have the interior on pallets, aft cargo door installed, and the lower galley removed and cargo pits returned to standard. FYI PanAm had nothing but trouble with those lower lobe galley birds...AA and UA had used different vendors for the elevator lifts and the UA versions were notoriously bad. 711 was the worst and was internally known as Clipper Crapshoot on whether it would go...  Smile
 
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RE: Pan Am 747 Configuration

Tue May 22, 2007 2:01 am

The story of Pan Am unfortunately mirrored the fate of its 747's. In the end it was sad. Those Jumbos flew many more hours then they were suppose to, I always hoped the 1989 merger with NW had gone through and PA-NW would have become a whole airline with a domestic route system and hubs.

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