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Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 5:03 am

A jazz flight from Moncton NB to Tronto Pearson ON is on the runway with its gear collapsed, anyone have any more information?
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 5:05 am

Hope everyone is ok!!!


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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 5:54 am

Any new information?

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 6:09 am

According to City Pulse News, the Jazz CRJ arriving from Moncton New Brunswick to Toronto Pearson International, landed on runway 6R, at approximately 12:30 PM. The aircraft had 37 pax and 3 crew on board. As the aircraft taxied off the runway the left main gear collapsed. The aircraft came to a stop on the taxi way. No reported injuries to pax or crew. As of 5:00 apprears that the aircraft is still parked on the taxi way. Transport Canada on scene to commence the investigation.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting YYZ757FAN (Reply 3):

Thanks for the update. I was under the impression it collapsed on landing.

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 6:48 am

According to AC flight info, AC8911 is estimated into YYZ at 1240. It hasnt arrived at the gate yet.

And I thought Newark was bad getting from the runway to the gate!!
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 6:51 am

 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 6:53 am

I thought, from my viewpoint at the west end of the airport that it was the right gear that had collapsed. The plane, a red CRJ 100, appeared to be tilted to the right. However it was more than a mile away so I could very well be wrong.

The passengers, maybe crew also, were taken in 2 buses to the infield terminal, along with an ambulance, presumably to be checked for possible injuries.

The flight involved was Jazz #8911. It was too far away to get the registration.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 7:00 am

Hi everyone

Not the bestones, but the only pix i could do by taxi nearby...

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Regards Chris
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 7:08 am




Quoting LHBSL (Reply 8):
Not the bestones, but the only pix i could do by taxi nearby...

Thanks for the shots, Chris.

It almost looks as though both mains collapsed....


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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 7:14 am

CTV-Toronto just had a live feed on the 6 O'clock Toronto News (we also get it here in WNY State)

They actually did a good job reporting, but really butchered the pronunciation of "Bombardier"

"The Bo-bar-jay-air CRJ-100..."


EDIT: CTV, not CBC...

[Edited 2007-05-21 00:15:30]
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 7:19 am

Captain to newbie FO:

" I said CHEAR up, not GEAR up !! "  Big grin

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 9):
It almost looks as though both mains collapsed....

What would cause this, gear not locking?

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 8:40 am

Apperently both main gear did collaps, however, they did not collaps during landing. Apperently occured during high speed taxi. The air craft was deplaned rapidly not evacuated.All Pax and crew are safe and sound
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting DH8PU (Reply 13):
Apperently both main gear did collaps, however, they did not collaps during landing. Apperently occured during high speed taxi. The air craft was deplaned rapidly not evacuated.All Pax and crew are safe and sound

Really?

I've seen it from a few angles now (on-site), and it didn't appear that way to me... but.. again i'm not 'in the know' so ..

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 9:20 am

Quoting Skoker (Reply 10):

They are pronounciating Bombardier in French.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 9:24 am

Quoting DH8PU (Reply 13):
Apperently occured during high speed taxi.

What do you mean by "high speed taxi"?
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting Q400 (Reply 15):
They are pronounciating Bombardier in French.

I always thought that the French-Canadien pronunciation 'Bomb-bar-dee-eh' was also Anglisized the same way.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 9:54 am

I smell an AD coming.... Wink
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 11:52 am

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 7):
The plane, a red CRJ 100,

The plane isn't red, its actually orange

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 7):
It was too far away to get the registration.

It's C-FRIL s/n 7051

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 12):
What would cause this, gear not locking?

Will find out soon, but I'm sure Bombardier will come up with some bs story.

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 16):
What do you mean by "high speed taxi"?

It's a taxiway which is at about a 45 degrees from the runway and allows you to quickly vacate the runway.

Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 18):
I smell an AD coming....

There already is one! It requires both visual and NDT inspection on the radius of the gear fitting. This aircraft is notorious for cracks in this area.

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 11:56 am

Thanks for the reg. number. I have a picture of it taking off here in Nashville last year.
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 11:59 am

Hello All,

Just left the airport and that poor CRJ was being lifted onto a flatbed truck to be transported away.

Since it is an older CRJ-100, I wonder if this aircraft will now be written off - or might it be worth fixing the damage.

I was not in the tower when the incident occurred but apparently the captain was very calm and the evacuation went smoothly.

I hope this isn't going to become another headache for the Bombardier public relations department.

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting DC10sRULE (Reply 21):

Just left the airport and that poor CRJ was being lifted onto a flatbed truck to be transported away.

Real planes can't travel by flatbed.  Silly

Quoting DC10sRULE (Reply 21):

Since it is an older CRJ-100, I wonder if this aircraft will now be written off - or might it be worth fixing the damage.

Does anyone know the damage involved besides the gear? Anything happen to the fuselage? With tail mount engines I'd assume they're safe.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting ACJAZZAME (Reply 19):
The plane isn't red, its actually orange

Those Jazz colours always confuse me. To me the yellow looks orange and the orange looks red  Smile

Quoting ACJAZZAME (Reply 19):
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 16):
What do you mean by "high speed taxi"?

It's a taxiway which is at about 45 degrees from the runway and allows you to quickly vacate the runway.

It's called a high-speed turnoff and it's more like 25-30 degrees from the runway.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting DC10sRULE (Reply 21):
Since it is an older CRJ-100, I wonder if this aircraft will now be written off - or might it be worth fixing the damage.

They are already tight on capacity. I've seen aircraft in worst shape repaired. I expect similar for this bird. Was a low velocity impact so shouldn't be much damage.
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Mon May 21, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 18):

My friend just said that this should serve as an example to people to keep their *#*$ seatbelts fastened until they get to the gate! Big grin
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 12:01 am

My guess is the greater lateral load on the gear during the high-speed exit was what caused the collapse. Interesting to see nonetheless.

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 12:06 am




Quoting N243NW (Reply 26):
My guess is the greater lateral load on the gear during the high-speed exit was what caused the collapse.

Funny, I thought it was the result of using bizjet gear in a high-cycle regional jet application.  Wink

Seriously, though....just how different are the gear designs of the CRJ versus the Challenger?


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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting N243NW (Reply 26):
My guess is the greater lateral load on the gear during the high-speed exit was what caused the collapse. Interesting to see nonetheless.

I initially thought that, but why would both gear collapse then? With those two tiny little wheels so close together I bet they would have wound up on one wheel and then the wing tip before any lateral load could be strong enough to collapse the gear. And even then why would both fold?

Sounds like some sort of downlock problem. I can't remember if there were downlocks or if the mains were held down in some over/past center scenario. Who knows. Rare to see thats for sure.
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 28):
Sounds like some sort of downlock problem. I can't remember if there were downlocks or if the mains were held down in some over/past center scenario. Who knows. Rare to see thats for sure.

The CRJ uses an internal downlock mechanism in the side-stay actuator.

Quoting N243NW (Reply 26):
My guess is the greater lateral load on the gear during the high-speed exit was what caused the collapse. Interesting to see nonetheless.

It would be interesting to see. I still would think that the wingtip would have scraped the ground prior to the gear collapsing however. Drag-strut designs are a lot more stable when it comes to lateral loading. Especially with the mechanically locking side stay. Usually when a CRJ gear collapses, it is the nose gear.

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 2:35 am

Quoting Skoker (Reply 17):
always thought that the French-Canadien pronunciation 'Bomb-bar-dee-eh' was also Anglisized the same way.

Exactly, this is the "proper" way to say it, and a lot of people call it that in English. In all honestly I can not pronounce it the other way, its just in grained into me head saying it like you mentioned.

Anyways it will be interesting to find out if the airframe gets written off or not.
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 5:50 am

ACJAZZAME, I know about the current AD on the radius. I've done that one quite a few times. Gotta love wiping off the 2 inches of caked grease to even see what you are supposed to inspect Wink
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 8:45 am

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 30):
Exactly, this is the "proper" way to say it, and a lot of people call it that in English. In all honestly I can not pronounce it the other way, its just in grained into me head saying it like you mentioned.

HAHAHA

I've heard more than 1 American refer to them as.. a "Bomb-ba-deer".

That's a person who drops bombs. Although, Bombardier in 'french' probably translates to "one who drops bombs' or something. HAHA

HAHAHA

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 32):
Although, Bombardier in 'french' probably translates to "one who drops bombs' or something. HAHA

Could accurately be translated as "bomber".
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 10:13 am

Ran into one of the pilots who also does investigations of incidents/accidents at Jazz and he said the aircraft is already being written off.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting UAL Bagsmasher (Reply 31):
Gotta love wiping off the 2 inches of caked grease to even see what you are supposed to inspect

I see your a fan of that AD also!!! Sorry to say but it was a matter of time before this was going to happen. I saw it today and it was in rough shape, don't think she will fly again, good ridence, I don't like them anyway. Long live the DASH 8s!!!

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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Tue May 22, 2007 3:41 pm

Quoting CRJ 900 (Reply 34):
Ran into one of the pilots who also does investigations of incidents/accidents at Jazz and he said the aircraft is already being written off.

I've heard this as well. Shop talk tonight in the crew room suggested that there was a good deal of internal damage to the wings as well as the control surfaces. This frame is apparently one of the oldest RJs in service at the moment and, due to the extent of the damage, isn't worth repairing.
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Wed May 23, 2007 1:40 am

Just to clarify the comment about the radius cracks. I've never seen one and can't recall the last time one was found. The AD, however, is irrelevant in this case. The main landing gear was physically broken backwards out of the aircraft and trapped under the flaps which are half ground off by being dragged along the ground. BER is my guess. The machined mounting points are smashed and are still bolted to the gear and fuse. I'm not surprised it was a little hard to taxi in this condition. Wind shear maybe? From what I've seen, it's not a problem with the A/C.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Wed May 23, 2007 10:14 am

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 32):
I've heard more than 1 American refer to them as.. a "Bomb-ba-deer".



Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 33):
Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 32):
Although, Bombardier in 'fFench' probably translates to "one who drops bombs' or something. HAHA

Could accurately be translated as "bomber".

"Bomb-ba-deer" is the usual English pronunciation (even in Canada) of the bomber crew member who drop the bombs. However, since the name of the company is the name of the founder (J. Armand Bombardier), it's usual to pronounce it as it would be pronounced in French, as he would have pronounced his own name, close to "Bom-bard-ee-ay", or if you say it fast, "Bom-bard-yay". Two members of the Bombardier family are still on the board of directors.
 
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RE: Jazz CRJ Gear Collaps At Pearson

Wed May 23, 2007 11:14 am

Well here's a twist to the story. The landing gear failed in the "aft" position. They did not fail towards the inboard as a normal retraction or side load fail may suggest.

The CRJ has a trailing link gear. Arm and elbow is the best way to describe it, or just like the F-18 or the BAE-146.

Both gear were found crumpled aft and at first word the landing was very firm and the guys tried to taxi off, then realized in the end they could not.

I am not passing judgement, this is what I have heard. Innocent until proven otherwise. I have just shy of 4,000 hours on type and have "arrived in force" more than once. For the gear to collapse it would have to be something horrendous or a mechanical failure imho.

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