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Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 2:19 pm

Guys,

What brand of engines did Lufthansa used in the 747-100 and 747-200 fleet?

Looking at the pictures, those from the 100 series look to different from those in the 200 series.

Thanks,

Joe
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 2:20 pm

-100s & early -200s (i believe) had P&Ws
-200s had GEs
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 2:24 pm

Thanks Alitalia744,

I bought an old Revell kit and the engines on the box art and description are the GE's and in the box we have, what I now know PW's.

Thanks again,

Joe
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 2:31 pm

Go to www.boeing.com and it'll take 40 seconds to download...

Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-100 PW 30-Jun-1966 3
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F PW 03-Mar-1969 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B PW 03-Mar-1969 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B PW 24-Sep-1970 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 14-May-1975 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 14-Nov-1975 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 24-Sep-1976 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F GE 15-Jul-1977 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B GE 15-Jul-1977 3
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 15-Jul-1977 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 15-Nov-1977 2
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 20-Jul-1979 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F GE 22-May-1980 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 22-May-1980 3
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 29-May-1984 2
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F GE 24-Nov-1984 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B GE 12-Dec-1984 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 12-Dec-1984 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200M GE 17-Dec-1985 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B GE 17-Dec-1985 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F GE 17-Dec-1985 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 21-May-1986 3
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400M GE 21-May-1986 3
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400M GE 27-May-1987 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 27-May-1987 3
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F GE 27-May-1987 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 28-Sep-1988 2
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400M GE 14-Jun-1989 3
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 20-Feb-1992 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 17-Apr-1992 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 08-May-1992 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 22-Dec-1994 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 21-Sep-1995 4
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 15-Oct-1997 2
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 23-Dec-1997 5
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-400 GE 07-Feb-1998 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-8 GE 06-Dec-2006 20
Total 81

So their three 747-100s had PW as did their first three -200s. Thereafter it was GE all the way.

(But note how LH have ordered their 747s in tiny numbers - until the 747-8!)
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 4:21 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F PW 03-Mar-1969 1

This is the first time I ever heard about LH ordering a Pratt powered 747-200s and one -200 Freighter, and the Freighter order was in 1969 (wasn't the 747 Freighter with the nose cargo door (not the conversion model) launched some time in the mid to late 70's?). I know the -100s have had Pratts (well, they had no other choice), but I thought all freighters were GE powered. Did this order ever get changed? I doubt LH would have been willing to operate one "orphan" Pratt powered 747 Freighter.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 4:26 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
Did this order ever get changed? I doubt LH would have been willing to operate one "orphan" Pratt powered 747 Freighter.

You can check deliveries as easily as orders:

Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-100 PW 09-Mar-1970 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-100 PW 13-Apr-1970 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-100 PW 23-May-1970 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B PW 05-May-1971 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B PW 25-Feb-1972 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F PW 09-Mar-1972 1
Total 6

Anyway, Boeing doesn't keep cancelled orders on its website.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 5:16 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
You can check deliveries as easily as orders:

Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-100 PW 09-Mar-1970 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-100 PW 13-Apr-1970 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-100 PW 23-May-1970 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B PW 05-May-1971 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200B PW 25-Feb-1972 1
Lufthansa German Airlines Germany Europe 747-200F PW 09-Mar-1972 1
Total 6

Curious. It goes to show that LH never considers engine commonality as big of a factor as other airlines do, even today. Thanks for the info.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 6:41 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
Curious. It goes to show that LH never considers engine commonality as big of a factor as other airlines do, even today. Thanks for the info.

That's true, as LH Technik maintains about every single (western) engine type and airframe in the 100+ seat market there is anyway ....

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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Mon May 21, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
Curious. It goes to show that LH never considers engine commonality as big of a factor as other airlines do, even today.

"Jein" (as you might say!). What you see here is LH switching to GE from PW in 1970. They had already ordered DC-10s with the CF6 and, I guess, wanted to standardise on that. Thereafter LH didn't order a single widebody (Airbus or Boeing) without CF6s until they chose RR Trents for their A330s. (Their A343 and A346s didn't come with an engine choice.) In other words, for more than thirty years LH chose the GE CF6 on every application they could: The 747-200, 747-400, DC-10, A300, A310, MD-11.

I'd say "engine commonality" was a factor in three decades of airliner purchases!  Wink
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Tue May 22, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting PM (Reply 8):
I'd say "engine commonality" was a factor in three decades of airliner purchases!

And don't forget P&W was the only engine available on the 747-100. Several carriers that operated the -100 and early -200s when only P&W was available switched to GE on later 747-200s.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Tue May 22, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Several carriers that operated the -100 and early -200s when only P&W was available switched to GE on later 747-200s.

KL and AF are one of those. Their first aircraft were all Pratt powered, although AF had operated the -100 as well, while subsequent deliveres were all GE engined.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 747 Engines?

Tue May 22, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Several carriers that operated the -100 and early -200s when only P&W was available switched to GE on later 747-200s.

Or, indeed, RR.  Wink