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Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 1:40 am

Petters Group Worldwide orders five Airbus A318 Elites
21 May 2007


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre..._PettersGroup_order_A380Elite.html



Petters Group Worldwide of Minnetonka, Minnesota in the USA has placed a firm order for five Airbus A318 Elite corporate jets, adding to a previous order for one, taking its total order to six aircraft and making it the largest single customer for the type.

Petters Group is the first US customer for the A318 Elite, which offers the same wide cabin comfort and space as the rest of the Airbus Corporate Jetliner (ACJ) Family in a shorter version.



Congratulations to Airbus and Petters Group. Its always great to see the ''babybus'' gather some new orders.  Smile

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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 1:44 am

I never would have expected a corporate version of the A318 to be popular. How many orders is that so far?
 
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 1:47 am

What a beautiful interior.......very very tasteful and elegant.

Wouldnt that be a cool Chistmas present?
 
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 1:50 am

I believe the interiors of the ACJ series are designed in such a way so that they can be converted into regular passsenger aircraft with relative ease? Are the BBJ interiors designed like this also?
 
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
I never would have expected a corporate version of the A318 to be popular. How many orders is that so far?

If my memory serves me well, Airbus has now gathered a total of 22 orders for the A318 Elite.

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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 1:58 am

I wonder where Petters will keep these ACJ's? Is there any way those could take off from the 4,000 ft runway at KFCM (I know we get gulfstreams there) or will Petters have to keep these at MSP?

I wonder why they need so many? Besides his weird stores, Sun Country, and Polaroid, I don't think they have anything else of consequence... and I think he's all but closed down Polaroid, putting the name on goods he buys generically (I have one of their lcd televisions....) they only have 3000 odd employees.

Also interesting they went for the ACJ when he owns Sun Country Airlines - which flies an all 737-800 fleet.
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
I wonder where Petters will keep these ACJ's? Is there any way those could take off from the 4,000 ft runway at KFCM (I know we get gulfstreams there) or will Petters have to keep these at MSP?

With this recent order, Petters currently has 6 A318's on order.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
Also interesting they went for the ACJ when he owns Sun Country Airlines - which flies an all 737-800 fleet.

Indeed very interesting.

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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
Is there any way those could take off from the 4,000 ft runway at KFCM (I know we get gulfstreams there) or will Petters have to keep these at MSP?

The A318 airliner successfully managed the 5.5 degree ILS approach to LCY's 3,650' runway. An A318 Elite flying from one 350' longer and presumably without the steep approach and takeoff limitations should pose no problems.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-and-departure-at-london-city.html

Quote:
"The instrument landing system (ILS) approaches to LCYs 1,199m (3,650ft) runway have a 5.5deg glideslope (compared with the normal 3deg) for noise abatement reasons, and this steeper slope would cause most jet aircraft to arrive over the runway too fast to land. .....

Today Chandler carried out two touch-and-goes on LCY runway 28 – he says that because the runway is so short they were more like rejected landings with full power applied immediately upon touchdown – and a full-stop landing followed the third approach. Manoeuvring on the ground was no problem for the A318 despite the limited space, he says. The short take-off was not limiting today with about 10kt headwind, says Chandler, adding that in still air the aircraft would be slightly payload limited."


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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 3:50 am

How much does one A318ELite CJ in standard interior cost?
 
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
What a beautiful interior.......very very tasteful and elegant.

I agree, very tastefull.

How much range and payload does an A-318 like this have?
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 4:46 am

I remember reading that the A318 Elite is a lower cost business jet because it offers a couple of pre-designed interiors. This saves money for the buyers for a lot of the cost of a business jet is in the inside customization.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
What a beautiful interior.......very very tasteful and elegant.

You bring up a good point here...a lot of the other business jet mockups I have seen tend to be very gaudy and stuffy looking.
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 8):
How much does one A318ELite CJ in standard interior cost?

From the Flightglobal report, the list price seems to have gone up from $45M to about $50M apiece.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-kicks-off-with-elite-bonanza.html

Quote:
"Airbus kicked off its show with an order announcement to the tune of around $250 million for five A318 Elites from its ACJ family."


What happened to your company's detail enquiries to Airbus regarding the Elite?

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 9):
How much range and payload does an A-318 like this have?

Up to 4,000nm with 14-18 passengers. The range could still be increased a bit with an optional 3,540 lb auxiliary center tank. See Airbus' site [media_object_file_A318_specifications.pdf] for more detailed data.


Quoting Max999 (Reply 10):
a lot of the other business jet mockups I have seen tend to be very gaudy and stuffy looking.

Thankfully, TAG and Versace have toned down their schemes a little.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ury-interior-for-private-a319.html

Going back to the link at the start, it was quite startling to read the Petters Group ordering an A-380 with the name changed from the "Flying Palace" for the corporate version.  Big grin
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7):
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
Is there any way those could take off from the 4,000 ft runway at KFCM (I know we get gulfstreams there) or will Petters have to keep these at MSP?

The A318 airliner successfully managed the 5.5 degree ILS approach to LCY's 3,650' runway. An A318 Elite flying from one 350' longer and presumably without the steep approach and takeoff limitations should pose no problems.

Hmm, well, KFCM is the nearest airport to Petters Group in Minnetonka, and is a much smaller, easier to fly into executive airport than the giant hub that is MSP, so perhaps he'll keep them at KFCM, they certainly will be the most impressive aircraft at KFCM, assuming there are hangars available to park these good sized jets.

My question still remains, Petters Group Worldwide employs a total of 3,000 people around the globe in all of its enterprises, what are they using 6 corporate jets for? Petters has made his business recently on buying broken companies with trusted brandnames and selling generic goods under those brandnames at a premium, for instance he bought Polaroid recently... so what Petters has up his sleeve is certainly curious. I wonder if he'll start an all premium charter airline, or if they are for their own use?
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 5:01 pm

Check out the bathroom. Its huge  Wow!

It would be great to see something like this on the A380.  Smile



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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 9:29 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 13):
Check out the bathroom. Its huge

Now THATS a bathroom!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 9:49 pm

According to Airbus data, the A318Elite can make a 1000nm mission with 8 pax from a 3750' rwy. You can find the specifications here: http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos...file_A318_Elite_specifications.pdf

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7):
The A318 airliner successfully managed the 5.5 degree ILS approach to LCY's 3,650' runway.

Maybe they mean the available landing distance is 3650'? Because the rwy itself is 4948'.
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Tue May 22, 2007 11:16 pm

Obviously they are planning to use these as charter aircraft. MSP region is a good central location to dispatch private jets.

A small company like Petters Group is a vehicle to spend and invest money for the owners. This is not their corporate fleet -- we are not talking about Shell Oil here.

The fact is, charter ops are the most efficient means of deploying a BBJ or ACJ fleet. Many companies let their jets sit and rot. Why not share them, netjets-style? It puts more hours on the jets and lowers the hourly costs.
 
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RE: Petters Group Order 5 X A318 Elites.

Wed May 23, 2007 3:21 am

The could house the jets at KSTP....Little farther drive, but 6000' runway and plenty of space to put up a large hanger (The land where Wings use to run out of next to 3M's beast of a hanger). They could run internationally out of STP if they needed to.

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