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All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 11:11 am

I need data on one of my most favorite a/c---Caravelle: airline operators, sample routes flown and year or decade of service.

Example: Sterling Philippines Airways used Super Caravelle MNL-HKG route in the 70s.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 11:13 am

Well, ABX Air used the Caravelle in cargo operations out of their hub at ILN in the 1980s. I will check with my dad who works for them to see if he has any information about where they flew to.
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 11:15 am

May I suggest you purchase the following book by John Wegg. An extremely well researched and detailed volume.
http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?article_id=25&channel_id=14
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 11:23 am

UTA had a Caravelle based in NOU in the late 60s & 70. It operated to SYD, AKL, NAN & Port Vila, at least. It may have operated to Wallis Island as well, can't remember.

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 7:36 pm

If you ever find yourself in MKE, the small aviation museum (Mitchell Gallery of Flight) has a mock-up diarama of the cockpit of the Caravelle. Mildly interesting to many, increasingly because it represents how cockpits used to look rather than do today. But to a Caravelle lover, it might hold special interest.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 8:00 pm

The very first Caravelle commercial flight was operated by Scandinavian Airline System (S.A.S) on April 26th 1959.
LN-KLH Finn Viking was launched on the CPH-BEY route.

Air France was the second operator (chronologically) to operate the Caravelle :
First flight on May 1st 1959, with F-BRHA : Paris-Rome-Athens-Istanbul.

It will be difficult to list all the routes operated by Caravelle ...

Take a look at this threat I posted a while ago ... I hope it could help you :

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2080652
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 8:10 pm

Air Inter's last routes to be wholly operated by the CRV Super 12 were ORY - UIP & ORY - EBU in 1991, but they also appeared on the odd ORY - NTE, LRT, LYS & PGF routes.
Worked on - Caravelle Mercure A300 A320 F27 SD3-60 BAe146 747-100/200/400 DC10-30 767 777 737-400 757 A319 A321
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 9:43 pm

Hi!

TP Caravelles VI-R arrived in mid 1962 and they started right away to replace the L1049G in the European main routes, like LHR, ORY and FRA. TP in the late 50's was facing a big challenge, the jet era was around the corner, TP was totally an all prop airline, flying the L1049G's in Africa and from time in Europe, it was flying the really old C-54 Skymaster in Europe, and the C-47 Dakota domestically and to MAD. First option was to order from Vickers, 3 Viscounts to replace the C-54's for the European market and keep the Super Constellation flying in the african colonies ( Angola and Mozambique ), this option was dropped down and TP tried to find in the market long-haul jets to replace the Super Constellations in Africa and re-direct them to Europe, TP approached SR and tried to "convince" them to sale 2 DC-8-32's ( probably HB-IDA and IDB )...of course SR was not "sufficiently" convinced ( very understandable indeed...) and TP came with a "Plan B", reinforce their Super Constellation fleet with 2 more airplanes ( ex: THAI, Aerovias Guest ) and apply to UAT to "lobby" Aerospatiale and get in a short notice 3 Caravelles VI-R's. Now you might ask - "Why UAT???" - well UAT helped TP leasing 3 Douglas DC-6's in late 50's to increase flights to Africa, so being a french airline why not ask them to "help" TP?!?!? So UAT helped TP and the Caravelles arrived quite fast!!! Latter TP would approach Boeing and they would order the 707 and the 727-100!
After telling you "this saga" and with the arrival of the 727-100 in 1966 TP started to redirect the Caravelle to new markets, giving the "honor" to the 727-100 to get the big routes. So we had the TP Caravelles starting new routes from LIS to BRU, CPH, GVA and ZRH. The TP Caravelles also started to be used intensely in the domestic routes like LIS/OPO and LIS/FAO. Latter and in the final stages of the TP Caravelles they wer used to start new routes from OPO and FAO to the bigger airports like OPO/LHR, OPO/ORY and getting closer and flying one of their daily flights LIS/MAD. In 1977 our good old Caravelle was getting tired, and following other european airlines TP offered their 3 Caravelle VI-R for sale, and guess this.....an airline from South America called SAN from Ecuador bought the 3 Caravelles, 2 of them received the full attractive SAN livery ( CS-TCA and CS-TCB ) and the younger one ( CS-TCC ) was flown to Quito with basic TP livery but with SAN titles and was used has a spares source.


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You can see two TP flights in LHR, one is the daily flight with 707, and the other probably from OPO with the Caravelle. The other photo was taken in MAD and that was one of TP daily flights.
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 9:52 pm

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
airline operators, sample routes flown and year or decade of service.

Routes flown by Middle East Airlines - Air Liban with its Caravelle, in 1964 :

Beirut - Cairo
Beirut - Dhahran - Doha
Beirut - Baghdad - Tehran
Beirut - Dhahran
Beirut - Kuwait
Beirut - Jeddah - Aden
Beirut - Jeddah
Beirut - Baghdad
Beirut - Athens
Beirut - Rome - Paris
Beirut - Rome
Beirut - Istanbul - Vienna
Beirut - Athens - Paris
Beirut - Rome - Frankfurt
Beirut - Rome - Geneva


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In 1971, the fleet was reduced to 2 Caravelle. They were flying on :

Beirut - Athens
Beirut - Nicosia
Beirut - Amman
Beirut - Ankara
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 10:55 pm

LTU flew Caravelles from DUS to all around the Mediterraneen. Palma and Ibiza the most popular places than.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Tue May 22, 2007 11:05 pm

IC Caravelles VIN replaced Vickers Viscounts on major metropolitan routes from 1964 and were the mainstay of the IC fleet until the Boeing 737-200's started arriving in the 70's (and some of which haven't left) and DEL and BOM were the hubs.

IC lost five Caravelles over the course of the aircraft's service.

VT- DPP/DSB/DPO/DVJ/DWN

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 1:23 am

AR Aerolineas Argentinas flew Caravelles in 1960s and 1970s.
So did RG Varig/Cruzeiro
In teh USA, UA United flew Caravelles, I believe on domestic routes only.

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 1:54 am

UA operated the Caravelle on the ORD-LGA route quite a bit amognst other routes. Back in the days when UA had the Caravelle, they didn't have any international routes.
When I was growing up and was a member of the Boy Scouts there was a Boy Scout camp somewhere in the vicinity of ORD. Those Caravelle's would come screaming into ORD right over our heads. Man were they loud! Much lounder than a G IV or a BAC 1-11!
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 2:32 am

Finnair non-stop routes from Helsinki featuring Caravelle 10B equipment in their 1 April through 27 September 1980 timetable:

Domestic, from Helsinki to:

Joensuu
Jyvaskyla
Kajaani
Kemi
Kokkola
Kuopio
Oulu
Pietarsaari
Tampere
Turku

International, non-stop from Helsinki plus onward segments, same flight number:

Copenhagen-Budapest
Hanover (operated 15 April to 24 April only)
Leipzig (operated 1 Sept only)
Leningrad
London (Heathrow)
Luxembourg-Malaga
Madrid-Lisbon
Moscow (Sheremetyevo)
Rome (in pool with Alitalia)
Vienna
Warsaw

Internationally, Finnair also had a daily Turku-Copenhagen turnaround service, AY813/814 operated by Caravelle 10B equipment.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 11):
In the USA, UA United flew Caravelles, I believe on domestic routes only.

When UA operated their 20 Caravelles (1961-72) they had no international routes (except Canada). UA Caravelles operated in an all-First class configuration and only on routes in the eastern half of the USA. They were all named for cities in France.

There have been several other detailed threads covering the Caravelle in the past few months. Suggest you do a search and you will probably find other useful information.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 1:01 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 7):
In 1977 our good old Caravelle was getting tired, and following other european airlines TP offered their 3 Caravelle VI-R for sale, and guess this.....an airline from South America called SAN from Ecuador bought the 3 Caravelles, 2 of them received the full attractive SAN livery ( CS-TCA and CS-TCB ) and the younger one ( CS-TCC ) was flown to Quito with basic TP livery but with SAN titles and was used has a spares source.

My only opportunity to fly on a Caravelle was in Ecuador, from Guayaquil to Quito on Christmas eve, 1977, and we were scheduled to fly on SAN, so I guess I would have gotten to fly on one of those aircraft... but...

...they had a mechanical problem.

So with remarkable efficiency (and I am not being sarcastic), they organized borrowing a plane (and crew? I do not know) from competing airline SAETA, and the flight was also operated in a Caravelle, but it was an ex-Alitalia bird, with all placards in Italian and Alitalia logos on various accoutrements.

The plane was pretty threadbare, but spotlessly clean, and the service was excellent (they passed around a dish of home-made candy). The Caravelle was one of the quietest and smoothest planes I ever recall flying on, and even then I was tickled to have gotten the chance to fly on one. I have a picture of it- somewhere- though I am confident it is far from good enough to ever be accepted on A.net, as it was a night-time timed exposure without benefit of tripod.
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 1:32 pm

CV990

Can you confirmed CS-TCC had SAN TITLES ?
Have you a photo or a slide ?
If not , did you already see a photo in a book , and which one ?

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 2:20 pm

I only flew the Caravelle once. AF from CAI to ATH. It was an early morning flight which I don't remember that well except the triangular windows. Strangely, my partner had flown from ORD to ORY with one of the flight attendants. Very co-incidental at the time. ORD/ORY vs CAI/ATH - small world.....


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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 3:59 pm

Hi FCKC.

I actually saw ( and I think I still have somewhere....) a photo of CS-TCC in the good old "Airliners Production List 1980". You could see clearly the Caravelle with basic TAP livery ( red line under the windows ) and SAN titles above the windows. The photo was taken of another airplane that I vould not remember but we see in the back quite clearly CS-TCC. I say this because I have a picture with one of the other SAN two Caravelles and they used the very atractive green/yellow livery.
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 4:36 pm

Aerolloyd (YP) operated three Caravelle 10's on routes from West Germany to the usual Mediterranean sunspots during the 1980's.
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Wed May 23, 2007 4:54 pm

Hi!

And one of their first destinations was infact LIS and FAO. At that time I was working in LIS Catering and I remember seeing their Caravelles arriving. Another airline from Germany that flew often to LIS and FAO with summer charters was LTU and latter SAT did that too.


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First SAT livery was mainly LTU one with different tittles, the next one with green and yellow was nice!!!


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Probably not well know LTU livery, simple but nice, and Aero-Lloyd one, like AF...in red!


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I think I liked it better with silver instead of white.

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 2:43 am

Air France routes operated by Caravelle equipment in their Summer 1979 timetable included:

CDG-MAN
LYS-LHR
MRS-LHR
TLS-LHR
BIQ-LHR
CDG-OPO
ORY-MAD
ORY-AGP
NCE-MAD
MRS-MAD
LYS-MAD
CDG-TRN
CDG-MIL (Linate)
LYS-MIL
LYS-MRS-ROM (Leonardo da Vinci)
NCE-ATH
MRS-NCE-ATH
MRS-ATH
BOD-NCE-ATH
LYS-NCE-ATH
LYS-ATH
CDG-GVA
CDG-ZRH
ORY-BSL-ZRH
NCE-GVA
CDG-FRA
CDG-CGN
CDG-HAM
MRS-LYS-FRA
ORY-BEG
MRS-LYS-BRU
NCE-BRU
CDG-AMS
NCE-AMS
ORY-PRG
CDG-CPH
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 2:46 am

Transavia Holland used the Caravelle to many holiday destinations (Mediterranean).
Istanbul Airlines used also Caravelles, e.g. Turkey - AMS.
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 3:30 am

French Air Force "ETOM" was operating 3 Caravelle 11R , in full pax, or combi versions (quick change capabilities) on the following routes: PPT - Hao island ; PPT- Moruroa, and 2 or 3 times per week, PPT - Hao- Moruroa.
PPT - NTTX was daily from Monday to Saturday, with sometimes 2 to 3 rotations.
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 12):
UA operated the Caravelle on the ORD-LGA route

ORD-EWR you mean. I don't think anyone can find a timetable showing Caravelles into LGA.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 10:07 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5):
The very first Caravelle commercial flight was operated by Scandinavian Airline System (S.A.S) on April 26th 1959.

Interestingly, the Caravelle was a design that was so advanced when introduced by SAS that it was possible, for a time, to travel by jet with SAS on short to medium haul routes while all of their longhaul flights were operated by piston-powered DC-6Bs and DC-7Cs -- nothwithstanding the fact that SAS was among the first airlines to receive the intercontinental variant of the jet-powered DC-8, which they promptly deployed on their North Atlantic services.
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With regard to generalities concerning routes flown by Caravelle equipment, lesser-known Aviaco (Spain) operated significant numbers of Caravelles on domestic flights. Likewise, Iberia, from whom many of Aviaco's Caravelles were received, was also a major Caravelle operator from the early 1960s to mid-1970s.

An unlikely Caravelle operator when the type was still in its prime was JAT Yugoslav Airlines. Unlike its Soviet-dominated Eastern European allies, Yugoslavia successfully resisted pressure to equip their national airline with airliners of Soviet design and manufacture and managed to operate state-of-the-art Western built types, of which their Caravelles were one example.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 10:57 am

There was a charter airline in Italy by the name of SAMIT that operated a Caravelle from Milan Malpensa to London Luton in 1974. Does anybody recall them?

I also flew on the SAN Ecuador Caravelle Guayaquil Quito probably in 1979 or so. Did the Ecuador TAME military affiliated airline every operate Caravelle or do I remember them from Electra II flight on the same Guayaquil Quito routing?

(I used to take the Braniff DC-8s in the late 70's via Panama to Guayquil and then after a couple days on to Lima and in between I would fly up to Quito for an overnighter--back when I worked in international banking and was covering South America travelling down to the region once every month or so. Later on I kept using Eastern's El Intermaricano routes they took over from Braniff usually on L1011 equipment but that is another story and does not relate to Caravelles.)
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 11:09 am

Quoting Timz (Reply 24):
ORD-EWR you mean. I don't think anyone can find a timetable showing Caravelles into LGA.

The old timers long ago at FWA told me that FWA had Caravelle service to ORD and actually nonstop to EWR on a ORD-FWA-EWR routing in the mid 60's.

I would presume that CLE has Caravelles also with service to cities in Michigan & Indiana between CLE and ORD.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 10):
IC lost five Caravelles over the course of the aircraft's service.

VT- DPP/DSB/DPO/DVJ/DWN

BTW, how many Caravelles did IC have over all... ? I was shocked to find that there's not a single photo of an IC Caravelle in the a.net database....  Sad
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Thu May 24, 2007 11:05 pm

Here you'll find the complete list of Caravelle operators and/or owners



AEROGOLFO
AEROLINEAS ARGENTINAS
AEROLLOYD
Aéroport International Satolas
AEROSPATIALE
AEROSUCRE COLOMBIA
AEROTAL COLOMBIA
AEROTOUR (F)
AEROVIAS
AFRO CARGO
AIR AFRIQUE
AIR ALGERIE
AIR BURUNDI
AIR CAMBODGE
AIR CITY
AIR FRANCE
AIR FRANCE / ROYAL AIR LAO
AIR INTER
AIR PROVENCE
AIR SERVICES NANTES
AIR TOULOUSE International
AIR TRANSPORT SERVICE
AIRBORNE EXPRESS
ALITALIA
ALTAIR LINEE AEREE
AMERICANA COLOMBIA
ARMEE DE L'AIR
ATL SKYLARKS
AUSTRIAN
AVENSA
AVIACO
BALTIC AVIATION
CATAIR
CEV
CHINA AIRLINES
Cincinnati Fire Dept
COASTAL AW
CORSE AIR
CRUZEIRO DO SUL
EAS
Expo Cuba
FEAT
Fontshi Aviation Service
Gabon Government
GLOBAL
Govt of Central African Rép.
Govt of Sénégal
IBERIA
INDIAN AIRLINES
INEX ADRIA AIRWAYS
INTERFRET
ISTANBUL AIRLINES
JAT
KABO AIR
LAN CHILE
LYBIAN ARAB AIRLINES
Lineas Aereas Suramericanas
LUFTFARTSVERKET
LUXAIR
Mauretanian Gvt
MEA
MERVILLE Centre d'instruction
MIDWEST AIR CHARTER
Minerve
MUSEE DE L'AIR
MUSEE ROYAL DE L'ARMEE
New England Air Museum
Norsk Teknisk museum
Ohio History of Flight Museum
OKADA AIR
PANAIR DO BRASIL
Pima Air Museum
PUSHPAKA AVIATION
ROYAL AIR MAROC
SABENA
SAM
SAN ECUADOR
SAS
SATA / CTA
SAT - SPECIAL AIR TRANSPORT
SEC COLOMBIA
SERCA COLOMBIA
STERLING
SWISSAIR
SYRIAN ARAB AL
TAP
TAC COLOMBIA
TAE - Trabajos Aereos y Enlaces (Spain)
THAI INTERNATIONAL
TRANSAVIA HOLLAND
TRANSEUROPA
TRANSWEDE
TUNIS AIR
Turbo Aire Holdings
UNITED
VARIG
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 27):
I would presume that CLE has Caravelles also with service to cities in Michigan & Indiana between CLE and ORD.

Generally speaking, United's Caravelles were featured on many of the routes UA picked up from their merger with Capital, the timing of which closely coincided with the delivery of UA's first Caravelles. Since CLE's status as a hub/focus city of UA was inherited with Capital, UA Caravelles were no doubt seen regularly at CLE; a search of the airliners.net photo data base (Caravelle/United Airlines) would seem to suggest the same, based on photo locations. Another ex-Capital route picked up by United which had regular Caravelle service on one or more daily frequencies for some years was MSP-ORD.


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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 29):
Here you'll find the complete list of Caravelle operators and/or owners

You missed one
http://www.airpixpro.com/Photoview.asp?ID=794

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edit: actually also missing is Flygvapnet (Swedish Air Force) , Argentine AF for example

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 1:58 am

CI
TPE-HKG, SGN for sure. Probably to all their international destinations in the late 60s.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 29):
PUSHPAKA AVIATION

Pushpak Aviation was a short-lived Mumbai based operator who actually purchased the Caravelles from IC sometime around 1982 or thereabouts, when IC retired their Caravelle fleet.....they used the planes for flights to Sharjah if I recall....
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 8:46 am

Does any airline still operates the Caravelle? who is/or was the last operator?

Thanks!!!
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 9:06 am

The June 1, 1966 NY/Newark UAL city schedule shows the following nonstop Caravelle flights (all from EWR):

BAL 7/week
ORD 13/week
CLE 27/week
PIT 26/week
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73/week

Not too shabby!
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 11:31 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 29):
Here you'll find the complete list of Caravelle operators and/or owners

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 12:01 pm

You are right, UA flew t hem out of EWR. My memory must be going!

I also saw UA Caravelles at MKE in the late 60's. The last UA Caravelle I saw was at DEN in 1974. It was a white tail sitting on the tarmac across from the Frontier hangar. We actually got to go do a walk thru of it. I'll never forget that it still had a vacuum tube radio bay!
With the triangular windows and the door that went up on an overhead track, it was definitely a french design!
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 1:05 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 29):
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You missed UTA. See http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0211898/M/
See reply 3 also

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 1:19 pm

Aerolíneas Argentinas operated the following Caravelle VI:

- LV-HGX ("Aldebarán") --> to the Argentine Air Force as T-91
- LV-HGY ("Sirius") --> destroyed at COR on July 1963
- LV-GHZ ("Rigel") --> to the Argentine Air Force as T-92
- LV-III ("Antores") --> to the Argentine Air Force as T-93
- I-DAXU --> temporary lease from Alitalia during the summer high season around the 1960s

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Fri May 25, 2007 9:07 pm

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 12):
UA operated the Caravelle on the ORD-LGA route quite a bit amognst other routes. Back in the days when UA had the Caravelle, they didn't have any international routes.

United NEVER operated the Caravelle VIR on regularly scheduled flight in or out of LGA. UA introduced the Caravelle on July 1, 1961 between IDL (JFK) and ORD, but soon moved all Caravelle scheduled operations to EWR. The Executive 5pm MDW-LGA men only flights were switched from DC-6B's ORD-LGA to Caravelle's, ORD-IDL, on July 14, 1961, but switched to EWR either later in 1961 or in early 1962. A few Caravelle flights were operated into IDL/JFK in 1962/63, and were later used there as equipment substitutions. In 1965 or 1966, I flew on a UA CVL to ORD from JFK that was a subbed for a DC-8 or 720-022.

UA Jet Service did not commence at LGA until June 1, 1964, with 727-22's. In fact, for a period in 1963 and until June 1, 1964, United suspended all operations at LGA. American and others introduced the 727 to LGA at the same time. On Memorial Day weekend of 1964, before the inauguration of LGA UA jet service, I was a guest on a boat moored near LGA, and observed a Caravelle take off; however, over the next 6 years of scheduled UA Caravelle service, never was the aircraft scheduled for LGA operations. Caravelles were used for some sports charters, and that may have been why the CVL was at LGA that day. UA Caravelle's never flew in scheduled operations West of OMA, and only operated into OMA for a short time. They were used to initiate Jet service at such cities as MOB, BHM, DSM, FWA, SBN, and TOL, but never served other mid size destinations such as MLI, or CID in regularly scheduled service. One Caravelle was kept at the flight training center at DEN. And when the fleet was retired in 1970, all of the aircraft were flown to DEN and parked on the tarmac near the corner of Quebec and 32nd, between the hanger and the flight training center. As I remember the last 13 were sold as a package to Sterling.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Sun May 27, 2007 10:31 pm

Thanks everyone for all the info. One more: anybody has schedules for Sterling's Caravelle routes to North America and Asia?------data appreciated.
Thanks again.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 12:26 am

Sterling started using Caravelle on transatlantic Charter services in December 1971, flying Olso-Gander-Toronto. They were the only airline to fly Caravelle on transatlantic routes.

Sterling also flew the Caravelle to Colombo, via Dubai at the same period, in the early 70s.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 4:23 am

I always thought UA inherited the Caravelles as a result of the Capital merger. I was under the impression Capital ordered the Caravelles before the merger but they were delivered to UA. Can anyone clarify? Thanks.  confused 
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 5:11 am

Before the Israeli invasion of the West Bank in 67, MEA used to fly from Beirut to Jerusalem with Caravelles.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 43):
I always thought UA inherited the Caravelles as a result of the Capital merger. I was under the impression Capital ordered the Caravelles before the merger but they were delivered to UA. Can anyone clarify? Thanks.

  

United Airlines placed an order for 20 "Caravelle" from Sud-Aviation on February 20th 1960, well before they merged with Capital Airlines in January 1961.

The first Caravelle flight from New-York to Chicago was operated on July 14th 1961.
It was a Caravelle VI-R named Ville de Toulouse powered by 2 RR-Avon engines, equipped with thrust reversers.



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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 44):
Before the Israeli invasion of the West Bank in 67, MEA used to fly from Beirut to Jerusalem with Caravelles.

MEA was indeed flying to Al Qods/Jerusalem until 1967 but was not using the Caravelle for those flights. They were operated by a DC3 until 1964, then by one of the 3 Vickers Viscount, just like flights to Aleppo and Nicosia.

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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 43):
always thought UA inherited the Caravelles as a result of the Capital merger. I was under the impression Capital ordered the Caravelles before the merger but they were delivered to UA.

UA inherited their Viscounts (approximately 45) from the Capital merger. The Caravelles were ordered by UA. For most of the 1960s when both the Caravelles and Viscounts were in service, UA must have have been the only US carrier with two foreign-built types in its fleet.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 11:50 am

Thank you all for clarifying this. I had forgotten the Viscounts, and yes, know that they flew for Capital before the UA merger. Interestingly, I have an old OAG from 1964 that features the UA Viscounts as well as the Caravelles. I believe they and the Caravelles were both configured in First Class only. The only time I ever flew a Viscount was Aloha Airlines inter-island HNL/LIH in 1963. IIRC, both Aloha and Hawaiian flew them in Hawai'i simultaneously. Caravelle would have been a perfect island carrier.
 
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RE: All Caravelle Operators And Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 12:12 pm

I rode UA Caravelle's that were configured in all first class between BWI and CLE. This was 1967 to late 1968 or early 1969

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