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A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Tue May 22, 2007 8:21 pm

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I have a questiong about the A380 seating arrangement, as seen in this picture above, there are long sofas or sitting areas on both side of the stairs, my question is, is this an option for airlines? Can they add revenue seats instead of the Sofas's? Or will the standard configuration include these?

Further, are the main stairs on the 380 fixed? as in do airlines have a choice of whether they want these kind of stairs or a different kind?

Feed back appreciated and comments encouraged.

thanks alot in advance

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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Tue May 22, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Flyvabb (Thread starter):
I have a questiong about the A380 seating arrangement, as seen in this picture above, there are long sofas or sitting areas on both side of the stairs, my question is, is this an option for airlines? Can they add revenue seats instead of the Sofas's? Or will the standard configuration include these?

I'm sure these sofas will be totally absent on future A380's with airlines....they serve next to no purpose and airlines would rather have revenue seats in those places.....

Don't know about the stairs though.... smile 
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Tue May 22, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting Flyvabb (Thread starter):
I have a questiong about the A380 seating arrangement, as seen in this picture above, there are long sofas or sitting areas on both side of the stairs, my question is, is this an option for airlines? Can they add revenue seats instead of the Sofas's? Or will the standard configuration include these?

I imagine they will actually stay, since their location makes it look difficult to actually put in Business Class seats and fit them with overhead air and storage.

Quoting Flyvabb (Thread starter):
Further, are the main stairs on the 380 fixed? as in do airlines have a choice of whether they want these kind of stairs or a different kind?

I think they will be fixed, but it's going to be annoying for First Class, I imagine, if they have to board the plane via 2LL with everyone walking past to get upstairs.
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Tue May 22, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
I think they will be fixed, but it's going to be annoying for First Class, I imagine, if they have to board the plane via 2LL with everyone walking past to get upstairs.

I, personally, see one of two things happening from this.

1. Airlines will locate first class on the upper deck

2. Airlines will stop boarding first class passengers first, and board them last. As long as they don't allow Y/J passengers to use the O/H bins, this shouldn't be a problem. I can even see them doing a "pre-boarding cocktail" versus a pre-departure cocktail. Just my thoughts.

Let me know what you think.
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Tue May 22, 2007 11:12 pm

My understanding is that the A380 first class cabin is on the first floor behind the stairs. Passengers for the second floor board through L1 and go directly up the stairs, passengers on the main floor board through L2, with 1st class going to the left and the rest heading to the right. Nobody but 1st class passengers enter the 1st class cabin that way.

Of course each airline will decide for its own, but I thought that's how the seat maps show the configuration
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 4):
My understanding is that the A380 first class cabin is on the first floor behind the stairs. Passengers for the second floor board through L1 and go directly up the stairs, passengers on the main floor board through L2, with 1st class going to the left and the rest heading to the right. Nobody but 1st class passengers enter the 1st class cabin that way.

That is where Airbus has envisioned First would be, although it's up to the airlines, but the cabin is wider there. I recall seeing some images where the First-class pax would enter through the L1 door and head past the stairs and take a right to get to their cabin. Others boarding through L1 would be the second-deck passengers with the main-deck pax boarding through L2.

Not that I envision myself flying there, of course.
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 3:22 am

I would assume that ther eal problem would be for the upper deck J class passengers, the lower deck first is safe cuz they can just draw the curtains while the "lower class" Y passengers are cllimbing up the stairs, alternatively, they can use the front upper deck door for entry too.

But for the J class passengers seated upstairs, they would have lots of Y class passengers all over the place, only while boarding though, i am supposing that once in flight, the front part of the plane, where there seems to be a dedicated bar, shall be exclusively for the F and J passengers.

Anymore insights on this from other ppl?

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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 3:40 am

Quoting Joni (Reply 5):
Not that I envision myself flying there, of course.

Why not? Come on, think big! Hope springs eternal! Get that first class ticket!
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 6):
But for the J class passengers seated upstairs, they would have lots of Y class passengers all over the place, only while boarding though, i am supposing that once in flight, the front part of the plane, where there seems to be a dedicated bar, shall be exclusively for the F and J passengers.

This is the case for most airlines, I imagine. On UA, for example, all but two rows of Business Class extends aft of Door 2L on the 777 so during boarding the entire Economy Class cabin passes through. And BA is moving (or considering moving) Club Europe aft of Door 3L/3R on the 744.
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
This is the case for most airlines, I imagine. On UA, for example, all but two rows of Business Class extends aft of Door 2L on the 777 so during boarding the entire Economy Class cabin passes through. And BA is moving (or considering moving) Club Europe aft of Door 3L/3R on the 744.

Yes, thats interesting though, i found alot of space on the A380 which is basically going to be used for amenities and not rev seats.

1. Those Sofas, which seem to me to be a permanant part of all A380's. You have to be on one to realise how narrow they are. Unless ofcourse they are used for crew seating. But im not sure ,are the crew allowed to sit in an area which does nto have a clear view of the pax?

2. There is alot of space between the cockpit door (which interestingly is abour 3.5 feet above the lower deck do you actually have to climb about 3 stairs to it), and the first class section. This is where there is a Bar, dont knwo if its a dedicated one on all A380's.

Neither of these two locations will be used for seats, unless ofcourse its being flown by a LCC.

It really seems to be revlutionising flying, i mean you can walk around with a sense of openness, and not very cramped, like i did feel flying VS 346 and sitting on the bar.

Basically, once u see the 380, there would be a gazillion places airlines can stick seats in.. ofcourse, this airbus mock up is nothing to really go by, but still.

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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 5:31 am

Quoting Flyvabb (Thread starter):
in this picture above, there are long sofas or sitting areas on both side of the stairs, my question is, is this an option for airlines?

This is the future location of door 6 at the forward end of the upper deck. Door 6 was not required for the A388 but will be located here if/when the A389 is built. In the meantime, a few couches seem like a good idea  Smile
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 3:34 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
And BA is moving (or considering moving) Club Europe aft of Door 3L/3R on the 744.

No, we're not. We're only moving Club World to be located between doors 2L/R and 3L/R on the Mid-J (52-seat J class) 747 fleet.

This means that First is in Zone A, forward of 1L/R, World Traveller Plus is in Zone B, between 1L/R and 2L/R, Club World is in Zone C, between 2L/R and 3L/R and World Traveller is in Zones D/E, from 3L/R to 5L/R. Club World is also on the upper deck.

Club Europe is BA's shorthaul product, not featured on any 747 aircraft. Club World is our longhaul product.
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 8:00 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
I imagine they will actually stay, since their location makes it look difficult to actually put in Business Class seats and fit them with overhead air and storage.

You're right, I wouldn't want to sit there for a 10+ hours flight if I had the choice...
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Wed May 23, 2007 8:02 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 4):
My understanding is that the A380 first class cabin is on the first floor behind the stairs.

Excuse my ignorance but would this put them behind the engines? I know the A380 is a quiet beast but surely First Class passengers would be better off up front listening to a soft hum.
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Thu May 24, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 4):
My understanding is that the A380 first class cabin is on the first floor behind the stairs.



Quoting Peh (Reply 13):
Excuse my ignorance but would this put them behind the engines?

In the "standard configuration", the First Class cabin is located just aft of Door 1L/1R on the main deck and the stairs to the upper level are located directly between Door 1L/1R. So both are located well forward of the engines and wings.
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Thu May 24, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 11):

This means that First is in Zone A, forward of 1L/R, World Traveller Plus is in Zone B, between 1L/R and 2L/R, Club World is in Zone C, between 2L/R and 3L/R and World Traveller is in Zones D/E, from 3L/R to 5L/R. Club World is also on the upper deck.

I know that this may be a tad off the topic but when BA does this, doesn't it mean that Club World will be located in front of Economy? I thought it would be better to have Economy + (WTP) in-between WT and CW due to noise levels also in terms of boarding it means business pax. have to go through the WTP cabin before reaching their seats. Obviously BA know what they're doing but it just seems a little strange to me.
 
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RE: A380 Stair And Sofa Question (Picture)

Thu May 24, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 15):
I know that this may be a tad off the topic but when BA does this, doesn't it mean that Club World will be located in front of Economy?

We've already done this and yes, you're correct. We did it because Zone C is larger, and it's easy to fit 32 NCW seats in there, than split the cabin between Zone B and Zone C, with associated dividers and moving galleys/toilets etc.