aad665
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Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Tue May 22, 2007 11:48 pm

Hi,

I will be in Germany for the summer. I will carry my dog, a 52 pounds Labrador. It seems very expensive to carry dog with AC (275$+tx one way). (leaving from YUL or YQB to TXL)

Is Fedex or UPS or other airline carry live animal for cheaper?

Thank for your help,

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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 1:43 am

I know UPS doesn't accept ANY kind of mammal for transport, and I assume FedEx does the same. Sorry but I think you're just going to have to bite the bullet if you want to take your dog with you. I've had to do the same thing when transporting my German Shepherd to England. The fee is expensive but for my family the price was small for the pleasure of having our dog with us. The trip was for summer 2003 BTW, YYZ-LHR.

It's all up to you to determine what price you can afford. My advice would be to call up LH and ask about pricing; get all your options. They seem to offer their own containers where as with AC you have to buy your own. You may have to go via FRA though. Weigh your optons and see if you really can afford/want to put your pet through this ordeal.
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 1:45 am

Try AF or LH or BA, it may be cheaper  Smile
 
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 2:03 am

Good luck! I am considering moving from the US to Germany in a few years, and am wondering how to bring my 145-lb St. Bernard. On the other hand, she is 5 now, so probably will only live another 7 or so years - I am also thinking of just waiting and moving there after she is gone. But, I'd appreciate it if you'd come back and post which method you eventually choose!

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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 4:07 am

Quoting Aad665 (Thread starter):
I will be in Germany for the summer. I will carry my dog, a 52 pounds Labrador. It seems very expensive to carry dog with AC (275$+tx one way). (leaving from YUL or YQB to TXL)

Is Fedex or UPS or other airline carry live animal for cheaper?

The price you have been given by Air Canada is a bargain and you should jump on it. The cargo tariff for a 52 lb dog in a XL crate cost is approx 1672.00 cad ex YYZ not including surcharges and E.U. Import fees.

FEDEX and UPS do no carry dogs and cats
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 5:24 am

A big question:

Has your dog flown before? This can be a very traumatic experience for an animal. Any major airline, on the other hand, is experienced with this situation, and will do their best to ensure a comfortable flight for your pet.
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 5:32 am

if you fly with LH you have to pay according to the size of the crane. size 1 and 2 will cost about 150 EUR, size 3&4 150EUR x2 = 300 EUR.
 
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 6:14 am

Don't forget customs rules. Your dog could be in for a long quarantine.
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aad665
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 11:52 am

Interesting finding:

My dog + kennel is 71 pounds

With AC (price one-way)
If dog+kennel is <=70 pounds: 245$ CAD+ tax
>70 pounds 1,206CAD +95 Frankfurt transit fee

With AF:
<70 = 150CAD$
70
with LH: it work with the size of the kennel (and it make total sense)
small to medium=150 euro
large et very large = 250 euro (more than 70 pounds)

Conclusion
1. With AC, I find interesting that price jump 5X time for 1 more pound
2. AC and LH: they operate joint venture ops but price for live animal can be so different.

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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 8:39 pm

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 8):
Conclusion
1. With AC, I find interesting that price jump 5X time for 1 more pound
2. AC and LH: they operate joint venture ops but price for live animal can be so different.

1. The first rate is a excess baggage rate, the second is a Cargo rate. It could just as easily been 50lbs and 51lbs or 100lbs and 101lbs. AC has decided that it will only accept live as baggage up to a certain weight otherwise it must be booked as cargo. The larger the kennel the more likely it could take up space that could be sold for freight.

2. What "joint venture ops" do LH and AC have for live animal shipments? Have you actually called LH, AF or AC and received a quote?
 
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 10:35 pm

That price is a bargain. What'd you expect, $50? Airlines need to cover their costs and the care of your pet.

I'd go with a non stop option to Germany. On BA or AF the dog and you would have to transfer and lengthen the travel time. Plus you'd be risking whether or not the rampers in London or Paris are dog lovers. They could either be gentle when transfering the dog, or forget it in a baggage cart somewhere. After 6 to 8 hours in a crate, the dog will want out. Though I've taken a pet to Japan....New York to Tokyo....and no accidents in the cage. How he held it so long, I'll never know.

As long as the dog's paperwork is in order, going through customs won't take long at all.
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 10:38 pm

Hi,

go to www.ipata.com hope you can find something....
 
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):
Don't forget customs rules. Your dog could be in for a long quarantine.

That is a two-way street by the way. Getting the dog back into Canada may also be a medical issue. Most serious is rabies but there may be other shots your pet may need. I have looked into what it takes to get pets into Ireland and the UK and their rules are very tough because there is no rabies in those countries. You really want to research the medical issues carefully or my might end up with a dog in the kennel for 6 months.
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chase
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 11:15 pm

Thanks for the breakdown of airlines' costs. And I agree with the poster above that the dog's health and comfort should be a major concern. If possible you may consider a nonstop to a British airport and then renting a car and driving with your pooch un-caged onwards to Deutschland.
 
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 11:26 pm

First of all:

don't be driven by cost - the major concern should that she/he is doing alright - so a nonstop should be preferred - you vet will subscribe you some pills that make her/him sleep during most of the flight.

Second:

don't go via the UK - they have strong regulations, since they still consider themselves rabbies-free... quarantine might be necessary even for transferring pets... for continental EU-europe: if she/he got all his shots and a blood test verifying he/she has the rabbies-immunization, there won't be any quarantine...

Third:

my parents and I had an older Cocker Spaniel whom we took along to Mallorca, Spain oftentimes - even though it was hard for him to get used to flying, it was much better than leaving him with anybody strange... He simply loved being around. So, if you are going for the summer, he/she will appreciate coming along (even though it'll cost you several hundreds of bucks...)

So, my advice:

take on of ACs nonstop from YUL to FRA - and drive up to Berlin (or take the train). It's really not too far - and a nonstop without transfers is the best you can do for your dog!!!
 
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Wed May 23, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 5):
Any major airline, on the other hand, is experienced with this situation, and will do their best to ensure a comfortable flight for your pet.

You cannot depend on the airline. You need to take a pet to a vet beforehand and make sure they are fit to fly. The vet will probably give you some form of tranquilizer for the animal. You almost always want to have your pet drugged up while travelling since it is traumatic, and the airline won't do this for you.
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Thu May 24, 2007 1:59 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
You almost always want to have your pet drugged up while travelling since it is traumatic, and the airline won't do this for you.

I would think VERY carefully about this. According to http://www.ipata.com/page.php?rp=9#9 about half of pet deaths in flight are due to over tranquilization.

Quoting PA101 (Reply 14):
don't go via the UK - they have strong regulations, since they still consider themselves rabbies-free... quarantine might be necessary even for transferring pets

Last time I checked on this, I believe some of these restrictions had been eased, though I was looking into US-UK travel, not Canada-UK. There was a list of routes that the pet could fly to get the easier restrictions.
But, I imagine it might be similar or even better for originating in Canada, given whose face is on your $$.
 
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RE: Help: Canada-Germany: How To Carry My Dog?

Thu May 24, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 16):
I would think VERY carefully about this. According to http://www.ipata.com/page.php?rp=9#9 about half of pet deaths in flight are due to over tranquilization.

I think that is a very good point. You need to consult an experienced vetrinarian before traveling with a pet, especially a larger pet that will be flying in the cargo hold.
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