tonytifao
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Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:05 pm

Why won't airlines add really early flights in the summer to increase capacity to some of the most popular destinations?

I'm talking about flights between 1am and 4am.

Do you think airlines could make more money like this?
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:11 pm

Quoting Tonytifao (Thread starter):
Why won't airlines add really early flights in the summer to increase capacity to some of the most popular destinations?

I'm talking about flights between 1am and 4am.

Do you think airlines could make more money like this?

Not in the US. Remember, you have to check in at least 90 minutes prior to departure and you should be at the gate an hour before each flight. That means that pax have to get up at an ungodly hour (1-2 am), drive 30 to 45 minutes (including parking) to get to the airport and then wait another hour/hour-and-a-half to get to the gate and board the flight. Plus you also have to have people around to staff these flights. It would never work. No one would get up that early, even for a dirt-cheap fare. DL used to have lots of flights leaving destinations at around 5a about three years ago and even that has been dropped for a lot of the reasons I just discussed, not to mention the obviously bad load factors. I remember seeing about 35 to 40 people on these flights, max, each time I flew them.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:13 pm

Typically, you'll find many such flights leaving the west coast, aka "Red Eye" flights. They get the planes back to the east coast in time to turn to another morning flight headed elsewhere.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:16 pm

Quoting Jhooper (Reply 2):
Typically, you'll find many such flights leaving the west coast, aka "Red Eye" flights. They get the planes back to the east coast in time to turn to another morning flight headed elsewhere.

Yes, but they leave about 11p to get in around 7 to 8:30a. He's asking about flights leaving at 1a-4a, which would never work.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:23 pm

JetBlue has some weird flights going from JFK to places in the Carribean like Puerto Rico. I remember when I worked there seeing flights that would leave at 12 or 1am and arrive at 4 or 5am in the morning. Are people from that part of the world more likely to take flights at those hours?
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:24 pm

1. Not many people want to do short-medium haul flights at these times. The longer "more popular" routes have red-eye flights already which arrive in the morning after sunrise, at a time the plane can turn around and fly out on an early route.
2. Who wants to start a vacation at 3-4am? Get to the airport at 11pm, takeoff 1am, arrive at strange airport 3am, arrange pickup or get to destination 4am. That would be one hell of a morning and I'd waste half the day sleeping to recover from all that which would really defeat the purpose of arriving and starting vacation with that extra day. For me it's much more manageable to arrive at 4-5am for the 6am flight out arriving in the early morning 8-9am, then I'm awake and can hang out all day.
3. Lots of people whine about airplane noise during daytime flights, alot of airports have noise restrictions. Flying in during these hours of the day the NIMBY's might actually start to have a case....well, maybe not.
4. Airlines would have to keep check-in desks staffed, the ramp staffed, ect for this time.

edit: God, I should have known by the time I type this 4 other people would have said the same points.

[Edited 2007-05-23 05:26:23]
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:25 pm

For what it is worth, SFO and LAX have a bank of Asia departures during the summer months between 1 - 2am. SQ, CX, BR, CI, etc all leave after 1am. This is so they arrive around 6am. During winter months, due to headwinds I guess, these flights all leave before midnight.

[Edited 2007-05-23 05:35:00]
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:31 pm

I'm flying out on AA tomorrow morning at 6 AM.
Pretty facking early right there.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
He's asking about flights leaving at 1a-4a, which would never work.

Eastern used to have flights to their MCI hub departing around 2am from the west, and they were always packed. NW used to have a flight from LAX to MEM departing about the same time, and it was full every time I was on it as well.

Of course full planes don't always equal profits, but the MCI hub was said to be profitable for EA, so those flights must have worked for them. I'd much rather depart from the west at 2am and land in the east in the late morning to arrive when my hotel room stood a good chance of being ready, rather than a red-eye that landed at 6am.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:36 pm

HP's LAS night hub. Oi....
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:47 pm

jetBlue operates flights to Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, and, during the winter, to Ft. Lauderdale with wierd schedules. Spirit airlines has a plethora of odd late night departures from the Caribbean to Ft. Lauderdale. Avianca this summer will have a flight leaving Miami for Bogota at 2.30AM.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:47 pm

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):
I'm flying out on AA tomorrow morning at 6 AM.
Pretty facking early right there.

Both AA and CO have 6 am-ish flights out of BHM...on Saturday mornings, no less. Both of these flights tend to be at or near capacity regardless of season.
I'm always too excited to sleep the night before a flight anyway, so why not get an early start?
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 12:57 pm

well...i would think the ovbious reason would be beacuse of noise ordinances??? maybe i am wrong...

also a lot of international flights like mentioned earlier leave @ those hours. But honeslty travelling domestically, in most cases leaving at 3 am would get you to your desination between 4-6 am, and then you would probably spend the whole day sleeping, beacuse you stayed up all night.


not to mention all the additional costs incurred to the airline (bad load factor, more staff) and airport or faa (controllers).

All these make it a pretty bad idea
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 1:04 pm

Quoting Travatl (Reply 9):
HP's LAS night hub. Oi....

HP (now US) has pretty much done away with that late-night bank of departures. Last flight out are 1159p departures to OAK (A320), PSP (DH8), PHX (319), ONT (A320), SJC (CRJ-900), SMF (A320), SAN (B733) and SFO (A320). Of course, that last bank (1140p-1159p) has some really crazy arrivals, such as a 338a arrival at DFW, 217a at SLC, 209a at PDX, 230a at SEA. Still better than those 1-2a CRJs to COS and what not.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 2:07 pm

At MHK (Manhattan, KS) we have a 5:55a flight to MCI and it is PACKED every single day. 19 seats, 19 pax: every day. Also, because of the close proximity to Fort Riley about 10 minutes away, there are almost always some army guys with their 6 duffels crammed to the brim full of gear which they are required to take everywhere they go. So we end up pulling bags half the time, pretty crappy..

Back on topic, the flight from MHK to MCI is actually a stopover: it originates in SLN (Salina, KS) and leaves at about 4:30 or so. Talk about an early day...    But then again, hardly anyone flys from SLN to MCI anyway.

edit: the codes for mhk and sln didnt show up

[Edited 2007-05-23 07:08:35]
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 2:14 pm

Its not the way it's always been.

I have tried to find where the practice shifted, somewhere around de-reg I believe, airlines basically scheduled flights 24 hours a day, and I am not talking about trans-con red-eyes.

PSA once had a couple of flights between SFO and LAX that op'd after midnight.

AA used to run an 0315 ELP-SAT.

DL a 0115 from CVG to DTW.

EA a 0220 ORD to BHM and PNS.

BN had some 4 and 5 stop milk-runs southbound from ORD, terminating in HOU, that left at 0200, arriving around 0800.

I could go on forever.....but why it changed? Is anyone's guess.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting Tonytifao (Thread starter):
Why won't airlines add really early flights in the summer to increase capacity to some of the most popular destinations?

In Europe, many charter airlines going to the most popular holiday destinations do just that and even worse: many times (more often than not) they change departure times to an ungodly hour just a few days before departure. It often seems like they had never planed to leave at the time printed on the tickets and the law allows them to do so, as charter operators only have to guarantee the date but not the time of transport.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 2:48 pm

Well, these flights simply dont exist btnw 1AM-4AM, to domestic destinations in the USA, but i have noticed from my AI traffic which is up to date, that many of the holiday airlines in Europe like TUifly, Air Berlin, seem to have flights really early like 3-4AM going to holiday destinations.

In the USA and many airports, NIMBY's have quite a lot of power thus preventing flights at ungodly hours. However, being the nut I am, i dont think i would mind a 747 waking me up from my precious sleep.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 2:50 pm

As Enginebird said, lots of charter airlines in Europe has crazy flying times as they want to utilize their aircraft as much as possible. Similarly, at SAW (the second airport of Istanbul) most of EasyJet and Germanwings flights depart at around 2-3 a.m. to arrive at their destinations very early in the morning. Air Arabia has a similar schedule too... Usually these flights are the cheapest option so people don't complain much  Smile

Again similarly, most of TK's Middle Eastern flights to CAI, BEY, AMM, DXB, KWI, BAH, AUH, DAM etc depart between 10 and 12 p.m. and arrives at these destinations between 1-2 a.m. On the way back, these flights depart between 2 and 4 a.m. to arrive in IST just in time to connect for European flights. But this is pretty much standard for most European airlines I believe...
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 3:22 pm

For spring break I flew B6 SJU-JFK. Our flight departed SJU at 2:00AM and arrived at JFK at 5:55AM. As stated previously, B6 has some pretty odd schedules during busy time periods. But, if they can make a profit on these flights, then more power to them.

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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 3:28 pm

I fly from the middle east to China/Korea and the US on average 15 times a year. All airports I pass thru, with the exception of the US, operate flights 24/7 and most are very crowded even at 0400.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 3:34 pm

A lot of airports have curfews to abide by too...
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 5:12 pm

We cant forget HA's Midnight madness flight which departs LAS at 2:45am and arrives into HNL at 5:45am. It was designed to give traverlers the most time in vegas. Its not a bad flight time as youre pretty much up at 12am in Vegas and youve worked yourself up to a point that all you want to do is pass out when you get to the Airport. You wakeup and viola youre back at home and ready to make it to work by 8. :O) Ive taken it twice and im starting to like that flight more and more.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 14):
HP (now US) has pretty much done away with that late-night bank of departures. Last flight out are 1159p departures to OAK (A320), PSP (DH8), PHX (319), ONT (A320), SJC (CRJ-900), SMF (A320), SAN (B733) and SFO (A320). Of course, that last bank (1140p-1159p) has some really crazy arrivals, such as a 338a arrival at DFW, 217a at SLC, 209a at PDX, 230a at SEA. Still better than those 1-2a CRJs to COS and what not.

I think that this works great at LAS, so many people are trying to come here cheap that they will hop anything at anytime to get them here. Do any other airlines at LAS schedule this late? I think maybe AS to SEA around 11 but that isn't too late.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 21):
A lot of airports have curfews to abide by too...

Not in the US. Curfews aren't the norm here. Off the top of my head, the only airports with a decent amount of traffic that I can name with curfews in the US are LGB and SAN. I think HPN, SNA, and DCA have them, too. Though again, it is the exception, not the rule.

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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 6:28 pm

Last year, I had a flight from VIE to AMM (Amman, Jordan) on OS. It left VIE at 22:20 and arrived at 02:50 local time in AMM (the trip to the hotel took another hour or so). The return flight was even worse, at left AMM at 03:40 and arrived at 6:25 in VIE.

I noticed that LH operated a similar schedule from FRA to AMM. I guess this is a pretty good way to make use of an aircraft that would otherwise spend the night doing nothing.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 7:29 pm

Except for a few sepcific exceptions including...

--classic red-eye flights in longer markets departing around midnight and arriving around 6-7am

--lower-frequency international markets, especially longer-haul north/south ones

...the key problem with middle-of-the-night departures is that they'd be virtually nothing but the most price-buying, low-revenue travelers willing to do most anything to save a few bucks. Those the people you can (and are better off) funnel into empty seats of business-heavy flights on off-peak days.

There are other issues (including some brought up by others) including added costs since unless you have a lot of flights you have idle staff who have to be there with nothing to do...you can't call in security people, agents, rampers, etc for a 90 minute shift in the middle of the night. But i think the revenue issue is a big one. Middle of the night is junk traffic you can use to keep loads high during days with lighter demand.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 9:04 pm

I have taken 5:50 am flights out of SMF on WN and am scheduled for a 6:00 AM on September 3rd. As was mentioned, a number of airports located in urban areas have operation restrictions. I believe BUR is also one of them. Most airlines who have hub and spoke operations have early morning departures from their spokes for connecting purposes. Last summer I flew AA from SMF to DFW departing at 6:00 am.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 9:24 pm

I've flown CO from PHX to IAH at 1:20AM. It lands at about 6AM. And its on an ERJ so its by far my least favorite flight.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 10:08 pm

Most US / Europe bound flights depart from BOM between midnight and 4 am - in fact late nights are the busiest in BOM...
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 10:31 pm

There are quite a number of northeast area departures headed west to IAH, DFW, DEN HUBs that leave at oh dark 30....like PHL-IAH is something like 5:30 EDT push.....that is pretty darn early if ya ask me.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Wed May 23, 2007 11:13 pm

I was just hoping that with reduced capacity this summer, some 1am flights could be added to popular destinations such as MCO, ATL, LAX, SFO, ORD, LAS, DFW, FLL.

Maybe on the weekends?

A lot of people in my opinion, if they have not done any summer travel plans, are going to pay a very high price. Adding some more flights could be profitable and also good for the passengers.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 15):
I have tried to find where the practice shifted, somewhere around de-reg I believe, airlines basically scheduled flights 24 hours a day, and I am not talking about trans-con red-eyes.

Before deregulation, when US domestic fares had to be approved by the then-CAB (except intrastate operations) and all carriers operating the same routes had identical fares, many carriers offered what were called Night Coach fares which were one of the few discounted fares then for passengers who didn't mind travelling at night. I think they applied for departures between about 11 PM and 6 AM or similar. There was also a Deluxe Night Coach fare with seating in the First Class cabin but at the normal daytime economy/coach fare. I forget how much the discount was in Y class, probably around 20 or 25% from the daytime fare.

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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 9:17 am

Hi,

I'm not sure if your question pertains only to the US, but for what it's worth LH's flights to ALG arrive at 12am/12:30am and leave at 2am for a 6am arrival into FRA. That's about three hours before all the flights to North America start to depart. I'm taking that flight this summer and for me it's a great time for connections for my flight to MIA.

Also, one of BA's 7x weekly flights follows the same schedule as LH into ALG.

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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 9:27 am

It seems most people here are talking about flights in the US, but in some parts of the world flights at those ungodly hour are the rule rather than the exception(ie, DXB).

But there is one flight that leaves smack in the middle of the night, which to be is the best timed flight in the world. SQ's SIN-JNB flight. The flight leaves at 2:15am, so as soon as you board you're pretty knocked out due to the hour. You arrive in JNB just before 8am, which would be just before noon Singapore time, so you are wide awake and ready for the day ahead. The downside is that the Indian Ocean is pretty choppy and even in Raffles it can be hard to get good shuteye.

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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 10:46 am

Quoting AH332 (Reply 33):
LH's flights to ALG arrive at 12am/12:30am and leave at 2am for a 6am arrival into FRA.

Also TUN. LH's FRA-TUN flight arrives at 0045 which isn't too bad but the return flight TUN-FRA is worse -- departs at 0345, arriving FRA at 0615.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 11:16 am

Most flights typically start to leave around 0530 or so. Anything earlier is not only too early for most people, but also there aren't any connections to be made until later in the morning anyway. It's such a niche time that it's not worth paying crew and airport employees to be there that early, assuming you could even get people to wake up for a flight. Employees start arriving around 0430, ticket counters open at 5, and flights start leaving around 0530. It just works.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 12:04 pm

Culture clash. If you are Latin and have a flight at, lets say, 0600 AM and have to be at the airport at 0430, thus, leave home (or where ever) at 0300, you just won't sleep. I took JJ 0630 AM from CNF to GRU and then from GRU to SCL. I was up all night, had late dinner at about 1100 PM, and went to the airport.

I'm scheduled on the same 0630 AM flight to GRU plus daylight to MIA and then on to YUL on Sep. I won't be sleeping the night before!
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 13):


HP (now US) has pretty much done away with that late-night bank of departures. Last flight out are 1159p departures to OAK (A320), PSP (DH8), PHX (319), ONT (A320), SJC (CRJ-900), SMF (A320), SAN (B733) and SFO (A320). Of course, that last bank (1140p-1159p) has some really crazy arrivals, such as a 338a arrival at DFW, 217a at SLC, 209a at PDX, 230a at SEA. Still better than those 1-2a CRJs to COS and what not.

The first part of that statement is not entirely true. HP/US has a whole bank of flight from LAS to the east coast, they depart just before 2300, most flight leaving around 2245 and arriving into east coast cities between 0600 and 0700. Pretty much every major east coast city you can think of, in fact they've added one.. most recently... LAS-PBI, I think that operates every day of the week now.. but also redeye flight to BOS, PHL, CLT, JFK, EWR, BWI, DCA, IAD, MIA, FLL, RDU, ATL, DTW, CLE, PIT, CMH, YYZ... all the flight more than 3.5 hours in length like that seem to depart before 2300... all the west coast ones that arrive at those odd hours such as, PDX, SEA, YEG, YYC, SFO, SMF, DFW, DEN etc all leave right about midnight.... so they still have one of the most sizeable redeye hubs.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 10:08 pm

In December I took a Flight from LIM to SCL which left at 1:45 and arrived at 6:10. It was a HORRIBLE flight, absolutely full, and dreadful. If I have the choice, will never fly at such a crazy time.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 10:34 pm

Well I am checking in at half midnight for a 0130 departure to Zakinthos Monday morning. Off duty at 1030 local......deep joy. Night flights should be banned IMHO. Damn turtles, I hate 'em.

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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Thu May 24, 2007 10:54 pm

I was once a regular on the DL BWI-ATL flight at 0530. It was almost always above 90% full. I liked it because I would not be required to go to ATL the night before.

In 1982 I remember doing an AA flight MIA-DFW-HNL that left around 1am from MIA.

In the mid-90s I also did a DL SLC-ATL flight that arrived ATL around 0200 - then had my connection to TLH at 0730. Those announcement on the concourse are really loud when no one is around.

I really like the early early flights - and I have the discipline to go to bed early so I get some sleep.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting DC10Widebody (Reply 23):
Do any other airlines at LAS schedule this late? I think maybe AS to SEA around 11 but that isn't too late

I know AC has a flight on Thursdays and Sundays to YEG from LAS. I think it leaves LAS at 2225 and arrives in YEG at 2:35am. That's crazy to me. I feel really bad for the folks up in Edmonton who have to meet this flight in the middle of the night. I wouldn't want to be there for that.

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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 1):
Not in the US. Remember, you have to check in at least 90 minutes prior to departure and you should be at the gate an hour before each flight. That means that pax have to get up at an ungodly hour (1-2 am), drive 30 to 45 minutes (including parking) to get to the airport and then wait another hour/hour-and-a-half to get to the gate and board the flight.

That's the way it is supposed to be, but let's get real. I have to make an 8.30 am meeting at company headquarters in Detroit every Tuesday which means catching a 6.00 am flight getting in around 7.30. I wake up at 4.00 am, leave the house at 5.00 for the 15 min drive to the airport, find parking and catch the flight every time. Great thing about travelling so early is that the lines at security are pretty short. Flight is usually about half full.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Fri May 25, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting VC10BOAC (Reply 43):
That's the way it is supposed to be, but let's get real. I have to make an 8.30 am meeting at company headquarters in Detroit every Tuesday which means catching a 6.00 am flight getting in around 7.30. I wake up at 4.00 am, leave the house at 5.00 for the 15 min drive to the airport, find parking and catch the flight every time. Great thing about travelling so early is that the lines at security are pretty short. Flight is usually about half full.

So true. Early o'clock flights are very convenient from the point of view of queuing, buying a magazine, getting to the airport as well - by far in some cases. I aim for 90 mins before push back when I fly long haul (ie BA to LA), but if it ends up as 1:15 I'll still have time to hang around. I've arrived an hour before departure for long haul and had time to graze in duty free.

BA at JFK is a machine, they have eight or so 747s leaving within four hours (6pm to 11pm), all going to LHR. I find it doesn't matter which flight you're on or what it says on your fare rules, if you want to go straight away you can be in the seat of a 747 pushing back, within 30 mins of getting out of the cab.

Quoting VC10BOAC (Reply 43):
I have to make an 8.30 am meeting at company headquarters in Detroit every Tuesday

You must have flown on a lot of NW DC9s. Btw I do a Big Trip every month but somehow ended up flying on a total of two DC9s in my life so this must seem more exotic to me than to you.

Quoting VC10BOAC (Reply 43):
VC10BOAC

And I'm likin that user name dude.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Fri May 25, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 1):
Not in the US. Remember, you have to check in at least 90

Actually 30 minutes in most places. Also, the early flights tend to be poorer performers, I wish NW would get rid of all the 5am departures that nobody goes for.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Fri May 25, 2007 7:18 am

Back during regulation EA, DL, and NA all had late night flights to Florida from NYC and ORD.

I also think DL had a 1am bank in ATL in the 1970s...reason for this was CAB allowed airlines to charge lower "nightcoach" fares after 9pm and before 7am.
 
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Fri May 25, 2007 8:12 am

I flew LH from New Delhi to FRA last month. The flight left at 2:20 am. The airport was packed with a few dozen flights leaving Delhi between 11 pm and 3 am. We arrived at the airport at 11:30 pm and the place was packed.
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Fri May 25, 2007 8:16 am

We have a Sat/Sun flight that leaves SJU @ 0130 and arrives ACY @ 0510... is that early enough?? It doesn't do as well as they hoped so it will go bye-bye real soon... (about 65% LF)
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RE: Why No Really Early Flights?

Fri May 25, 2007 8:28 am

Never quite understood this one....Who wants to get in at 3 in morning?

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Date 5/24/2007
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Date 5/25/2007
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