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AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 5:19 am

As reflected on AC's website, and on the heels of AA's announcement to discontinue service to SNN, looks like AC is joining the fold.

August 9th will be the last "triangle" service operating YYZ-DUB-SNN-YYZ and replaced by:

AC894 YYZ2150 DUB0915
AC895 DUB1045 YYZ1245

767-200 (ALL Y)

As the service is only summer seasonal, surprising that they would change the routing midstream. Given the recent Ireland/Canada revised air agreement, perhaps this a sign of permanent year round DUB only service.
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 5:28 am

The 1st 4 to 5 rows of the 767 have bigger seats than the rest of the Y cabin, is a different AC being used or will it stay the same . If you are booked in Y M B classes you can select seats in this PE section. I hope they are not axing that.

A year round DUB to YYZ with AC would be great. I guess they have to go where the revenue is so its a shame for SNN. I heard that those booked from SNN were offered a refund or to travel to DUB instead.
 
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 5:32 am

They use the 767-200ER's with the 24/183 configuration but sold as 207Y. The forward cabin remains intact and those on the fare levels as mentioned above will have access to front cabin seating.
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 2):
The forward cabin remains intact and those on the fare levels as mentioned above will have access to front cabin seating.

Thats great , hoping to do a trip before the summers out and seated in the ''nice'' section  Smile
 
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 5:50 am

seems like this is the new trend for carriers flying into SNN. I have a feeling US might be next. They are already announced year round flts solely to DUB
 
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 5:58 am

It's sad to see SNN lose another customer, but it has to be borne in mind that it was never a "real" customer, in that it was only there because regulations forced it to be.

I do hope AC does operate a year round service, with a proper J class; 763s initally, later perhaps A330s and ultimately, 787s.
 
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:01 am

Dang, SNN is really taking a hit lately. Hopefully someone will step up to fill all (well, at least some) of this service that is being dropped.





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Thu May 24, 2007 6:07 am

I imagine GSM will also drop SNN soon
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Thu May 24, 2007 6:07 am

I hope the 767's stay we have enough A330's at DUB , its nice to have a mix of AC types. I think also that US Airways will be next and then DL may cut some services. SNN needs to be overhauled and try to attract different airlines to compensate. Some reduced landing charges and incentives could help.
 
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 4):
I have a feeling US might be next.

US is terminating Shannon on 6th Oct rather than the October's end as it used to be. Maybe not a good sign.
 
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 6):
Dang, SNN is really taking a hit lately

Kind of sounds like a repeat of the Prestwick experience.
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Thats great , hoping to do a trip before the summers out and seated in the ''nice'' section

In terms of leg space, the best seats on that aircraft are 12AC/12HK.
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 6):
Dang, SNN is really taking a hit lately. Hopefully someone will step up to fill all (well, at least some) of this service that is being dropped.

I think by July we'll know where pretty much all the T/A airlines regarding SNN. I think there may be one or two surprises.
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Thu May 24, 2007 6:16 am

There will be some election candidates in Clare that will not appreciate the timing of these announcements by AA & AC. AA anouncing they are going to pull ORD two days before the election & now AC the day before. I wonder will US top of what has been a rotten week for SNN by pulling PHL?
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Thu May 24, 2007 6:25 am

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1115590/M/

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 11):
In terms of leg space, the best seats on that aircraft are 12AC/12HK.

Im just wondering is this what the DUB to YYZ looks like in the front section rows 1-4?? Looks very nice.
 
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AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:35 am

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 13):
There will be some election candidates in Clare that will not appreciate the timing of these announcements by AA & AC

The commercial consideration of two foreign carriers should have little impact on local election issues. With the new open skies agreement between Canada and Ireland, Aer Lingus is more than welcome to offer SNN/YYZ service. I mean that with all sincerity.
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AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:39 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Im just wondering is this what the DUB to YYZ looks like in the front section rows 1-4?? Looks very nice.

That picture (I can tell by the garment cupboard) was either fin 621 or 622 (ex Air New Zealand - ex China Airlines), and no longer in the fleet. Row 1 was very generous with leg space on this aircraft.

[Edited 2007-05-23 23:40:24]
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Thu May 24, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Im just wondering is this what the DUB to YYZ looks like in the front section rows 1-4?? Looks very nice.

Yes, they use 762s normally used on domestic routes for the DUB route. That's the 762 domestic 2-2-2 J class layout.
 
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 13):
I wonder will US top of what has been a rotten week for SNN by pulling PHL?

Probably. And Delta's ATL-SNN route is likely as good as gone.
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Thu May 24, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 16):
That picture (I can tell by the garment cupboard) was either fin 621 or 622 (ex Air New Zealand - ex China Airlines), and no longer in the fleet. Row 1 was very generous with leg space on this aircraft.

Oh ok thought it was too good to be true !!!! Do you know where I can get some pics of what the DUB 767 looks like in the front section???
 
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:46 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 15):
The commercial consideration of two foreign carriers should have little impact on local election issues. With the new open skies agreement between Canada and Ireland, Aer Lingus is more than welcome to offer SNN/YYZ service. I mean that with all sincerity.

With all due respect, you could not imagine how personally the people from the Mid-West of Ireland take the issue of OS & the stripping of SNN's T/A services. I know that the commercial consideration of two foreign carriers should not impact on local election issues & that there is nothing any of the cnadidates can do but the people of Clare will want to take it out on someone & the election candidates are the easiest targets. As for EI serving YYZ, the only EI services that will be offered from SNN will be to BOS & JFK, all be it at reduced frequencies than their current level. Still though, its better than nothing. I mean, the fact than any L/H destinations are offered from an airport the size on SNN means that it is doing better than many similar sized airports.
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AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 20):
With all due respect, you could not imagine how personally the people from the Mid-West of Ireland take the issue of OS & the stripping of SNN's T/A services

I hear ya buddy!! I operated the last couple of YYZ-PIK flights, and remember the uproar at the loss of AC & NW service from that airport -- and in a city with an "alternative" airport being GLA.

I operated the YYZ-DUB-SNN-YYZ flights last year, and only picked up a very minimal number of customers at SNN. Hopefully Air Transat/Skyservice/Zoom will pick up the slack. The reduction of service will be a windfall for the airline/airlines that remain such as CO or US.

[Edited 2007-05-24 00:01:42]
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 20):
but the people of Clare will want to take it out on someone & the election candidates are the easiest targets

Hmm well we will see tomorrow!!! This election should have been declared null and void a few weeks ago when the present government eliminated thousands of students eligable to vote but gave them minimal time to get a postal vote sorted out in just a few days as they will be on campus where they should have had polling stations but thats another story!!! I dont think the SNN issue will impact on the elections tomorrow to be honest.
 
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Thu May 24, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 21):
The reduction of service will be a windfall for the airline/airlines that remain such as CO or US.

It's funny that you mention that bcause just after I posted my last reply the idea came to me that the SAA should advertise the the onward connections offered by airlines such as CO & DL that are more likely to continue serving SNN. I know that I would prefer to fly to EWR, ATL of JFK with either CO or DL & make an onward connection from there than drive for three hours to fly from DUB, particurarly on the way home. I know how miserable it is getting off the plane in SNN after being on the overnight flight but I gain comfort in the fact that it is only a 20 minute drive home from there. At least connecting in the US eliminates that part of the journey.
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Thu May 24, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 16):
That picture (I can tell by the garment cupboard) was either fin 621 or 622 (ex Air New Zealand - ex China Airlines), and no longer in the fleet.

When was fin 621 retired? I knew fin 622 had been retired but AC website still shows fin 621 (C-FVNM) as one of 10 762s in service. Assume that info is out of date if fin 621 has also been retired.
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AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 24):
When was fin 621 retired?

Good point!! 622 is definitely in storage at Marana, AZ. 621 hasn't flown anytime recently, and thought that I had heard it's last revenue flight as AC048 HNL-YVR and currently "parked" at YVR. Will do some checking.
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RE: AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon

Thu May 24, 2007 12:39 pm

FIN 621 C-FNVM is currently in maintenance.. and will be in service for AC for a considerable stretch

FIN 672 C-GPWB had its last flight last week. and now this plane is parked in the Arizona desert

FIN 604 C-GAUN is due out at the end of the summer season (I hope some kind of Canadian aviation authority makes a case for the preservation of this airplane in some kind of museum function)

FIN 622 C-FUCL had its last flight last October