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ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Thu May 24, 2007 2:33 pm

Anybody know about a tug versus ASA CRJ collsion at Atlanta?

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...y_data/events03/media/09_753EV.txt

I can't find anything on this site about it.
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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Thu May 24, 2007 10:03 pm

Does anyone have any information regarding this incident? Doesn't the report read as 2 ground fatal injuries. I can't believe a news agency hasn't picked up on it if that is the case...
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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Thu May 24, 2007 10:23 pm

I really hope no one was injured. Was it a mainline tug?
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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Fri May 25, 2007 7:01 am

Interesting indeed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first airplane/tug accident since 2003(year?) when a bag runner accidentally ran into a spinning ATR prop during a rainy night. I do not recall anything else happening in between those times.


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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Sat May 26, 2007 6:10 am

Okay, well, finally got the scoop from my college roommate who now flies for ASA and is FO on the CRj700. He's flying right now with one of their chief pilots so I had him ask the chief pilot about this, and the clip here is completely wrong. What it was was a collision between two tugs, one from Delta and one from ASA both traveling at excessive speed on the ramp. One tug driver suffered a broken collar bone and the other tug driver suffered a broken leg. Both drivers were thrown from the tugs during the collision and one tug postcrash veered off and collided into 753EV which did sustain quite a bit of damage and thus was pulled from service. So, that's the scoop and I guess afterwards there were reports from pilots in surrounding aircraft on all ramp areas that both tugs were driving at very excessive speeds before the collision.
 
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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:02 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 3):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first airplane/tug accident since 2003(year?)

Happens more often then that...sad to say. There was a case just last year in DCA when a Ramp Agent drove a tug under a E170 and was killed.
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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Sat May 26, 2007 10:38 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 4):
So, that's the scoop and I guess afterwards there were reports from pilots in surrounding aircraft on all ramp areas that both tugs were driving at very excessive speeds before the collision.

surprised nobody got killed. Everybody knows excessive rates of speed occurs during the heat of the battle and when planes hub ......seems like nothing has changed at ATL and the same probably could be said for any hub.
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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Sat May 26, 2007 11:18 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 4):
What it was was a collision between two tugs, one from Delta and one from ASA both traveling at excessive speed on the ramp.

Delta's notorious for having drivers speeding out on the ramp. I don't even think their GSE department even bothered to adjust the governor on many of their tugs. I always thought it was something when I actually passed a Delta tug when I was working for AirTran, their tugs were restricted on their speed, and you'd have guys popping the hoods on the tugs and adjusting the governor. I'm actually surprised EV has some tugs that can actually go above the speed limit, as when I worked there, they seem to be barely faster than what AirTran had their tugs set at and it seemed like the pushback units were faster than most of the tugs. I guess DL gave them some hand me downs.
 
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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Sat May 26, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
Happens more often then that...sad to say. There was a case just last year in DCA when a Ramp Agent drove a tug under a E170 and was killed.

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. During my reading and editing I seem to have left out an important note.   Corrected below.

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 3):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first airplane/tug accident IN ATL since 2003(year?) when a bag runner accidentally ran into a spinning ATR prop during a rainy night. I do not recall anything else happening in between those times.



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 7):
Delta's notorious for having drivers speeding out on the ramp.

And Airtran is notorious for having drivers not follow simple directions such as stop signs and almost hitting people while driving under concourses. Not to mention that while Delta pilots will sometimes stop short and let drivers by before pulling onto the taxiway from the concourse alley, Airtran pilots will drive right over anything in their path, whether it be a tug and driver, catering or lav truck, even baggage. I've personally witnessed an FL tug and cart swerve to miss an oncoming 717, a couple of bags flew out of a hole in the cart curtain, and were barely missed falling between the nose gear and right main gear. Had the governor been adjusted, that situation could have been averted. I guess nearly killing people and destroying property is a small price to pay to get a flight out on time over on C Concourse.


Now, when it comes to Delta's electric tugs over on E Concourse, thats another story. Hit and miss, depending on if you get a fully charged battery and how well its feeding to the engine. I've seen electric tugs almost outrun Delta Supertugs, and I've also seen them stalled dead in the middle of the concourse alleys between D and E.


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RE: ASA Ramp Accident At ATL-any Info?

Sat May 26, 2007 9:22 pm

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 8):
And Airtran is notorious for having drivers not follow simple directions such as stop signs and almost hitting people while driving under concourses. Not to mention that while Delta pilots will sometimes stop short and let drivers by before pulling onto the taxiway from the concourse alley, Airtran pilots will drive right over anything in their path, whether it be a tug and driver, catering or lav truck, even baggage. I've personally witnessed an FL tug and cart swerve to miss an oncoming 717, a couple of bags flew out of a hole in the cart curtain, and were barely missed falling between the nose gear and right main gear. Had the governor been adjusted, that situation could have been averted. I guess nearly killing people and destroying property is a small price to pay to get a flight out on time over on C Concourse.

Goes back to taking what they learned in training and choosing to ignore it; that or they were asleep during that part of training.

All through the driver training, they drilled into us DO NOT DRIVE UNDER THE JETWAYS. Yet just about everyone did it, even supervisors. It's a wonder that they haven't had too many a/c damaged. When I was working there, some driver on the AM shift in a hurry to get to the other side of the concourse (by driving through "The Hole", which was something else we were told not to do) drove under a jetway, drove in between the marshaller and the a/c, struck the nose of the a/c with one of the bag carts, and totaled the a/c (It was a DC-9 they were going to retire in a few months so they patched it up enough to fly it to the scrapyard). On my shift, another guy doing the same exact thing (driving under a jetway) cut his turn too short and the last bag cart snagged the jetway stairs and they had to take the a/c at the gate out of service for a few hours to make sure it wasn't damaged. Not to mention the fools who would drive behind a/c with their engines running (I've seen drivers from every airline do that one.). One day, we had a flight delayed because the bag runner from landside who was bringing bags for our flight drove behind an L-1011 idling on the ramp and the jet blast flipped the cart.

Some of the third party ground handlers I've seen out there are worse than AirTran in terms of driving and equipment. I've seen bag carts come unhooked from tugs and rear end other vehicles. The carts had the clasp-type of hook up instead of the vertical bar hookup and the guy didn't secure the clasp completely, hit a bump and the whole train of carts (empty thankfully) and rear-ended an ASA cleaning crew pickup who was stopped as we were wingwalking a flight out of C-24.

I'll even throw the non-airline folks under the bus as well. Some of these employee shuttle bus drivers are in such a hurry that they'll almost hit vendors trying to cross the Spine Road with a cart full of product. That's one of the things I hated about some of my old routes when I was working for a book/magazine distributor out there. You're trying to cross the Spine with heavily ladened cart full of totes and folks are in such a hurry that they won't even yet you cross. That's why I loved it when my route was Concourse E since we didn't have to cross any roads and we parked right by the freight elevator.