hardiwv
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LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 5:36 pm

As customary since the start of the route, LH will again increase capacity MUC-GRU replacing the A343 with the A346 daily.

This is the right move with the rise in demand. The A346 will start to be operated on MUC-GRU from 21/10. One of the legs remain daylight because of LH shortage of aircfraft, but the new window of connection between GRU and MUC is proving successful with loads and yields very high.

LH-LX keeps its stronghold in GRU with 20 weekly flights, GRU-MUC dedicated, while FRA-GRU has EZE as tag-on and ZRH-GRU has SCL as tag-on (reported loads for GRU-EZE and GRU-EZE from FRA/ZRH-bound pax is low, with about 20% in Y and less than 10% in C/F). It shows GRU commands the flight, while the tag-on legs are boosted with local traffic EZE-GRU/SCL-GRU, bringing up loads for the short legs.

Rgs,
 
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 6:56 pm

There were some rumors that MUC-GRU might get a tag-on to GIG. Do you see a chance of this happening any time soon?
 
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 1):
There were some rumors that MUC-GRU might get a tag-on to GIG. Do you see a chance of this happening any time soon?

Not with the current schedule. MUC GRU is operated as a daylight southbound flight with an immediate turnaround. In order to add a GIG tag, LH would have to change the schedule to a double overnight pattern, which would have as an additional benefit that all 3 flights (FRA GRU, MUC GRU and ZRH GRU) would meet each other in the early morning at GRU, allowing for flexible connections to GIG, EZE and SCL. As long as MUC GRU remains a daylight with late afternoon arrival at GRU, there is no room in the schedule for a GIG tag. A double overnight pattern, which would allow for such a tag, would however be detrimental to the utlization rates of the fleet, as LH would have to park the aircraft at GIG for quite a couple of hours.
 
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 8:22 pm

A colleague of mine working at LH in RIO has just sent me his resume wandering a position as LH is CLOSING its facilities in RIO, so seems that the rumors to extend any flight to GIG are really just rumours.
 
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 9:52 pm

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 3):
A colleague of mine working at LH in RIO has just sent me his resume wandering a position as LH is CLOSING its facilities in RIO, so seems that the rumors to extend any flight to GIG are really just rumours.

Closing? Closing what? LH doesn't have anything in Rio for quite some time. The only thing they have is a Rio phone number for reservations (the call is redirected to their reservations centre at SP).

Their only office in Brazil is at SP (as listed at their website).
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hardiwv
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 9:59 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
As long as MUC GRU remains a daylight with late afternoon arrival at GRU, there is no room in the schedule for a GIG tag. A double overnight pattern, which would allow for such a tag, would however be detrimental to the utlization rates of the fleet, as LH would have to park the aircraft at GIG for quite a couple of hours.

Correct and any mention to a possible come back of FRA-GIG will not materialise soon. LH is simply not interested. If the route comes back it will be operated by other carriers, namely TAM or G3+RG (which will actually reinstate the route in June).

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 3):
LH is CLOSING its facilities in RIO, so seems that the rumors to extend any flight to GIG are really just rumours

LH closed down its office in Rio. This is testament that all cards of LH are now in GRU. I find it very unlikely that LH would resume GIG nonstop - all expectations are now centred on a possible TAM GIG-FRA.

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longhaul67
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 10:15 pm

It's strange how LH can be interested in those low loads to EZE and SCL. Loads to GIG seem to be going through the roof these days. With LH/LX sending 3 daily to GRU that should be more than sufficient to justify a single tag-on to GIG.

I suppose we will just have to wait and see what is going to materialise through their recently announced code share with JJ.
 
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 4):
Closing? Closing what?

Closing their cargo facilities at GIG...so not even cargo is in their interests, of course as LH Cargo. So LH is all out of GIG map.
 
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Thu May 24, 2007 11:02 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):

this was to expect ...

many 346s in MUC now !

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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Fri May 25, 2007 12:19 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 7):
Closing their cargo facilities at GIG...so not even cargo is in their interests, of course as LH Cargo. So LH is all out of GIG map.

LH Cargo? They don't serve GIG on a regular basis for years. They had a dedicated cargo flight until 2003 (IIRC) and when LH resumed GIG (via GRU) the cargo flights stopped. When LH left again LH Cargo didn't return. So I wonder why LH would keep any LH Cargo facility in Rio so they're right in closing the bureau.

But doesn't actually mean that it's a sign that "LH is not coming back so soon" perhaps they're stating that can manage everything from the SP office or even, if LH returns, they could keep just a handful of LH Cargo employees working inside LH's office at Rio.
Well it's just some ideas, since rumours do exist that LH plans to return (never confirmed, naturally).
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Fri May 25, 2007 9:51 am

Yes, LH Cargo donpt serve GIG for years but never closed their facilities. They operated as off-line using RFS to GRU and VCP. Very, very difficult to return to GIG without their cargo facilities there.
 
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Fri May 25, 2007 10:15 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 10):
Yes, LH Cargo donpt serve GIG for years but never closed their facilities. They operated as off-line using RFS to GRU and VCP. Very, very difficult to return to GIG without their cargo facilities there.

ever heard about a GSSA ???
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Mon May 28, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting LongHaul67 (Reply 6):
It's strange how LH can be interested in those low loads to EZE and SCL

Perhaps to keep market and position in EZE and SCL. EZE is certainly a destination I can see LH back nonstop. But I am really surprised with LH position regarding GIG. I cannot explain its neglect for this important market.

I hope the recent LH-JJ and LH-TA link up with provide LH with an opportunity do redesign its operations in the region. EZE, LIM and GIG are all destinations which deserve LH nonstop service.

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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Mon May 28, 2007 3:50 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
I hope the recent LH-JJ and LH-TA link up with provide LH with an opportunity do redesign its operations in the region. EZE, LIM and GIG are all destinations which deserve LH nonstop service.

regarding EZE, yes but I see before a flight to LIM and GIG, BOG in place.

they already can serve LIM easily via CCS and if they would start BOG also from there without that the passengers looses to much time in conections.
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Mon May 28, 2007 4:58 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
Perhaps to keep market and position in EZE and SCL. EZE is certainly a destination I can see LH back nonstop. But I am really surprised with LH position regarding GIG. I cannot explain its neglect for this important market

AF use to say thank you LH ! While LH neglects GIG, AF will improve it's weekly capacity from closer to 3,000 seats to around 4,500 weekly seats with loads around 90%. One should be wrong... and seems not to be Air France.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 13):
regarding EZE, yes but I see before a flight to LIM and GIG, BOG in place.

Agree with you, and i believe LH will move towards South America very shortly. It's impossible nowadays to run a hub strategy in terms of a continent other than the home country. The reason is all competitors are looking to increase the number of destinations served non-stop (like AF, DL, CO) despite alliances can grant access to partners with strong Hubs. You may use a hub to take care of a country, but never to take care of a continent.

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hardiwv
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RE: LH Deploys A346 MUC-GRU

Mon May 28, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
One should be wrong... and seems not to be Air France.

Indeed. But let us not forget that in the split up of routes between LH-RG, RG was responsible for GIG operating one of its most profitable routes GIG-FRA. It is not all LH blame, when you had a partner such as RG in the region it must have been a difficult task to manage to situation. But I have to agree that in general AF certainly outperforms LH, including the the GRU market.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
Agree with you, and i believe LH will move towards South America very shortly. It's impossible nowadays to run a hub strategy in terms of a continent other than the home country. The reason is all competitors are looking to increase the number of destinations served non-stop (like AF, DL, CO)

Agree. I think the LH-JJ and LH-TA could indicate a shift in strategy of LH in the region. Perhaps news will come soon, and I think LH could certainly operate a number of nonstop destination in the region currently neglected. While it must be said that at the same time LH managed to protect its terrain in GRU, where it has a solid market participation.

Rgs,

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