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LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 2:21 am

Does anybody know why my FRA-MAD flight (LH4410) on Saturday the 26th will now be operated by an A340-300 rather than the A300-600?

The return sector (LH4411) is now listed as being the A340-300 as well.

Does LH routinely operate the A340-300 in Europe?

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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting PurpleBox (Thread starter):
Does LH routinely operate the A340-300 in Europe?

No. They rarely even operate the A343 on FRA-HAM shuttle flights, if they don't fly to LHT for MX. Maybe they needed to upgrade the flight on that day due to special circumstances (increased cargo demand, more than usual PAX that need to be picked up for whatever reason, etc.).
 
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 2:30 am

....maybe due to the strong rains that we've had in Madrid from 3 days ago until 1 hour ago.

There was delays with some flights.
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 3:43 pm

Seems nobody knows...

My thoughts are that the capcity is very similar but a 2:30 hour flight would not be fuel efficient for the A340-300...

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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 4:24 pm

it is the first flight of the day and in Germany we have a "longer" weekend upcoming with a lot of people want to spend 3-4 days in Southern Europe. The flights yesterday as well as all flights today to MAD are overbooked with at least 15 on each flight.
 
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 4:27 pm

or they just want to compete with LA's 343 FRA-MAD flight  Wink
 
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:27 pm

Currently scheduled is D-AIGC, equiped in a 2-class configuration.

LH 4410 is overbooked with 8 seats at the moment
LH 4411 has plenty of space
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:36 pm

LH4410/4411 is normally AB6 but due to technical reasons there is no AB6 available so it has been upgraded to 343.
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting DALCE (Reply 6):
LH 4410 is overbooked with 8 seats at the moment

Perhaps this is the result of offering such a generous Miles&More promotion to MAD!

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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 7:48 pm

cross you fingers, you might even see a 340-600 if available Big grin
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 7:51 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):

Sometimes 346s fly the FRA-MUC route I know someone who has been on such a flight  Smile

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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Fri May 25, 2007 7:54 pm

The 346 and 343 operate sometimes on FRA-MUC as they need to be positioned either on FRA or on MUC.
LH then prefers to make it an operational flight iso a ferry flight.
Must have been a good experience to be board on such a short route Big grin
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Sat May 26, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 6):
Currently scheduled is D-AIGC, equiped in a 2-class configuration.

nice! D-AIGC is in Star Alliance livery

Quoting DALCE (Reply 11):
Must have been a good experience to be board on such a short route Big grin

I have been on such a flight (A343) with only 34 pax onboard Big grin it was a positioning flight and even the crew onboard the FRA-MUC sector did the onward flight from MUC to DEL. Might be a very loooooooong day for them.
 
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Sat May 26, 2007 6:19 am

The likely answer is that the A300 that usually flies the FRA-MAD-FRA turn is unavailable due to maintainance or scheduling reasons, and/or the A300 is being utilized on another segment to upgrade capacity over this Holiday Weekend for much of Europe. Thus, LH is using an A343 (which would have probably sat idle at FRA inbetween two longrange overnight flights) for the MAD turn.

Its fun when things like this happen....a change from the airplanes usually flown within EU, the biz class passengers will certainly be happy with the equipment swap, they will get ""real business"" class on an intra-EUropean flight.
 
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Sat May 26, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
Thus, LH is using an A343 (which would have probably sat idle at FRA inbetween two longrange overnight flights) for the MAD turn.

D-AIGC is doing a FRA-ATL turn-around right now and will arrive tomorrow morning at 7h20 and continue 2 hours later to MAD.
 
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Wed May 30, 2007 3:17 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 11):
Must have been a good experience to be board on such a short route

Yes - a really nice trip even though it was full. The A320 back was a real contrast!

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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Wed May 30, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13):
The likely answer is that the A300 that usually flies the FRA-MAD-FRA turn is unavailable due to maintenance or scheduling reasons, and/or the A300 is being utilized on another segment to upgrade capacity over this Holiday Weekend for much of Europe

Partly yes, the current problem is that LH has a lack of long haul aircraft. Therefore LH re-fitted two A300's with the old C-class seats from the 747and started to operate with those two on int. cont flights again.
During the last year LH expanded quicker than aircraft got delivered from in this case Airbus ( 333's and 346's ).
Last autumn 2 more A 300's were re-fitted and are now operating on intercontinental flights.
So out of the 12 or 13 A 300's 4 are now operating less on the continental services, although you still see them to LHR, TXL and MUC. So when 1 or 2 are in Maintenance they have a problem and will have to call a 333 or 343 out of bed to operate between their long-haul stretches.

Still it sounds silly, LH operating 343's within Europe due to the lack of long-haul aircraft, but it is logical.  Smile

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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Wed May 30, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 16):
Partly yes, the current problem is that LH has a lack of long haul aircraft. Therefore LH re-fitted two A300's with the old C-class seats from the 747and started to operate with those two on int. cont flights again.

yes, LH need all these aircrafts for their current network or better said for their USA network, because almost all A333 are mostly shifted to the North American routes therefore the A300's must fly the shorter routes like ALA, TSE, CAI.

I did a daytrip return flight to CAI last week onboard of D-AIAN which is one of the intercont-A300's with the above mentioned Business class. It is more comfortable compared to the old C/Cl for sure, but looks very old as it is. There is a huge difference between the new and the old Business class and an issue LH must think about very soon. If you want to satisfy your most paying customers you need a consistent product here. Your can't offer one of the best Business classes from LAX to FRA and then one of the worst from FRA to CAI for example. This is very irritating for the customer. But this discussions are very old, so.... Big grin

By the way, I thought more A306's were fitted to the intercont. version. Which are the one's already having the 'new-old-business-class'?

Just for your information: LH uses the abbreviation ABA for the intercont-A300 and AB6 for the other ones.
 
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Wed May 30, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17):
Your can't offer one of the best Business classes from LAX to FRA and then one of the worst from FRA to CAI for example. This is very irritating for the customer. But this discussions are very old, so....

You are right, and it's mainly due to the A380 delays that LH sort of gave second or third birth to the AB6.
They are true workhorses for LH. At least they got the C-class upgraded a bit, as the C-class installed was inferior for long haul flights.
Luckily we see them being used slowly but steadily more on the Europe flights as 333's and 346's are still joining the fleet at the moment.

I hope the AB6's and ABA's will stay for a while as I really enjoyed flying on them 3 times FRA-OPO / OPO-FRA and TXL-FRA and I really want to spend some more hours on them.
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Wed May 30, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 18):
hope the AB6's and ABA's will stay for a while as I really enjoyed flying on them 3 times FRA-OPO / OPO-FRA and TXL-FRA and I really want to spend some more hours on them.

Yes, let's hope they do, as I also want to try one out some day on LH  Smile
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RE: LH A340-300 FRA-MAD, Sat 26th?

Wed May 30, 2007 4:43 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17):
By the way, I thought more A306's were fitted to the intercont. version. Which are the one's already having the 'new-old-business-class'?

D-AIAN del. 05-06 / '87
D-AIAP del 25-06 / '87
D-AIAR del 02-02 / '90
D-AIAS del 06-03 / '90

are the re-fitted AB6's and are displayed as ABA in the LH-systems.
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