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CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Fri May 25, 2007 9:42 am

During the last Continental Workshop celebrate in Buenos Aires, Roberto Girotti. Marketing Director of Continental for Latin America announced that in 2008 expect to resume its service to Santiago Chile in 2008. At this moment Santiago de Chile is the only destination that Continental has no presence since 2000 when the airline cuts its daily nonstop service from Newark.

However Girotti said that the company has not precised yet any possible date because all depends fot he acquisition of new long haul planes specially the Boeing 787. Also Girotti precise that the Boeing 787 is a perfect aircraft for routes as Buenos Aires and Santiago.

Source: http://www.avmag.com.ar/n14/continen...ines-argentina-roberto-girotti.htm

Cubana de Aviación also want to reopen the Santiago route offering from January 2008 non stop flight from Havana to Santiago, using its new Ilyushin Il96. The announcement was made by Arturo Bada Álvarez Chairman of Cubana de Aviacion and the Minister of Tourism of Cuba Manuel Marrero Cruz. Cubana go for the tourism market between Cuba and Santiago.

Finally the New Varig, managed by GOL announced that the airline will resume its routes to Frankfurt, London, Madrid, Milan y Paris in Europe, Miami, New York y México in North America and Buenos Aires, Santiago de Chile, Bogota y Caracas in South America using a fleet formed by 20 Boeing 737-700 and 14 Boeing 767-300ER.

Source: http://www.avmag.com.ar/n14/gol-compra-varig.htm

In the case of Santiago route, the resume of Varig flights give the possibility to GOL to compete in the traditional market agains LAN and TAM.

[Edited 2007-05-25 02:43:11]
 
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Fri May 25, 2007 10:00 am

Well good for RG. I hope CO will return to SCL via IAH.

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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Fri May 25, 2007 10:05 am

CU flies 3 o 4 times per month HAV-MVD-HAV Im not sure if this is regular but its been going since a couple of months.
Anyway nice to hear CU wants to expand their SA market.

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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Fri May 25, 2007 1:13 pm

IIRC, CO's first 787 doesn't arrive until 2009, so I'd be surprised to see any return to SCL until then. However, it is possible, if CO replaces or substitutes a new 737-900ER for a 757-200 (on a domestic route) and then uses a 757 for one-stop service to SCL (perhaps from IAH).
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Fri May 25, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 3):
then uses a 757 for one-stop service to SCL (perhaps from IAH).

Also maybe they could use a Boeing 767-200ER. It could be a good aircraft to serve Santiago non stop from EWR or IAH. With a 757 Continental requires a one stop as you say, however they need the 5th freedom to optimize the operations.
 
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Fri May 25, 2007 1:51 pm

Well we tried that before, after halting the non stop DC10 service from EWR we had a one stop to SCL through Lima, did not work.

I we do not go non stop again SCL would be a waste of time.
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Fri May 25, 2007 1:56 pm

YES YES YES!!!! Let CO bring on the IAH-SCL with the 762!!!! Ill be the first on it!!!
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Fri May 25, 2007 7:44 pm

If and when CO returns to SCL, it will be with a 762ER operating nonstop from IAH.

-CO tried serving SCL with a flight that stopped in LIM, it did not work out very well. The flight probably lost lots of money and the yeilds were not good - pax want nonstop flights, so simple is it. There was also an issue concerning CO transporting local traffic between LIM and SCL, if I recall.

-CO will fly out of IAH nonstop to follow up on the success of the IAH-GRU/GIG and IAH-EZE flights. Houston works suprisingly well for CO as a South American gateway.

-Where will CO get the 762ER for the route? Either from swapping a 739ER for a 752 on a domestic service, then using a 752 to replace a 762ER on a European service, freeing up a 762ER. Or, it will wait until the first 787s arrive, at which point CO will be reallocating aircraft assignments system wide. It all depends upon the timing.....SCL could be added for the winter 2008 timetable (when less transatlantic flights operate) for example.....and by mid 2009, 787s will be entering service with CO.
 
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Sat May 26, 2007 3:05 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 5):
Well we tried that before, after halting the non stop DC10 service from EWR we had a one stop to SCL through Lima, did not work

It didn't work because a political situation. Also the plans of Continental to serve SCL before was with a daily non stop flight. However the DC10 was an older and bigger plane for EWR-SCl route.
 
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Sat May 26, 2007 10:24 am

You all forget that SCL requires TWO aircraft, not one. All North American carriers operate night flights to SCL, then return the following night. The aircraft sits on the ground all day at SCL. While this puzzles me, that is how it is done. Check out the ramp at SCL during the day, usually you will spot several AA, DL, and AC 767s lounging around. So, if CO were to restart SCL service, two dedicated aircraft would be required. Now, if you start talking about possible add-ons to LIM, MVD, EZE, etc, then perhaps a better equation for aircraft usage could be arranged.

Additionally, if they were to operate it via EWR, they would be the only airline to offer NYC-SCL service non-stop. LA stops in LIM. I think a flight from EWR would work as well as a flight from IAH, and there is no clear cut winner here, only SCL and those flying there, as CO has an excellent product, especially compared to the antequated AA and DL 763s doing SCL duty for the time being.
 
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Sat May 26, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting Mason (Reply 9):
Additionally, if they were to operate it via EWR, they would be the only airline to offer NYC-SCL service non-stop. LA stops in LIM.

LAN Airlines start from June 3 two weekly non stop flight to JFK. However the reason is because the reduction of frequencies by the Peruvian Authorities until 2009 when LAN recovering its 14 weekly frequencies with 5th freedom in LIM in the route SCL-LIM-JFK and SCL-LIM-JFK.

Quoting Mason (Reply 9):
SCL requires TWO aircraft

You're correct, Continental will need to dedicate to aircraft for Santiago route, no doubt about that.
 
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Sat May 26, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting RJ_Delta (Thread starter):
During the last Continental Workshop celebrate in Buenos Aires, Roberto Girotti. Marketing Director of Continental for Latin America announced that in 2008 expect to resume its service to Santiago Chile in 2008.

Will it be a tag-on to the EZE service with the 767-200, and then when the 787 comes online would it then be divided (if successful) into 2 seperate flights. One to EZE, and one to SCL?

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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Sat May 26, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting Mason (Reply 9):
Now, if you start talking about possible add-ons to LIM, MVD, EZE, etc, then perhaps a better equation for aircraft usage could be arranged

One stop, add-on, etc simply dont work and will not attract premium full fare customers. And, IAH-SCL can be done with less than two dedicated aircraft with aggressive scheduling (which CO is quite good at) by rotating the airplanes between South America and European services.

Quoting Mason (Reply 9):
Additionally, if they were to operate it via EWR, they would be the only airline to offer NYC-SCL service non-stop.

There is a reason that nobody is flying nonstop EWR-SCL on a daily basis.....the market is not there. LAN is gonna try 2X per week service out of JFK and could make that work, but Lan is flying to its home market and is well established in the market.

Quoting Mason (Reply 9):
I think a flight from EWR would work as well as a flight from IAH,

CO tried EWR-LIM-SCL and it failed. Also consider that cargo is a big component of the SCL market, and flying a 752 on the route is not an answer. (the EWR-LIM-SCL flight "hubbed"in Lima with the IAH-LIM flight, and that did not help either.)

Quoting Mason (Reply 9):
flight from IAH, and there is no clear cut winner here,

IAH is the winner.......IAH works very well as a LatinAmerican gateway (CO has made IAH work and DL is making ATL work as alternatives to MIA) as evidenced by CO's success with IAH-EZE and IAH-GRU-GIG (Both routes could already support larger aircraft.) SCL will complement the existing LatinAmerican services running from IAH.

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
Will it be a tag-on to the EZE service with the 767-200,

Very unlikely, premium pax are not interested in one-stop services and the EZE flights already go out very full.
 
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RE: CO, RG And CU Would Return To SCL In 2008

Sun May 27, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
One to EZE, and one to SCL?

The idea is that Continental serves direct each destination, so one flight to EZE and another to SCL as all US carriers.