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Virgin A340s At LHR?

Sat May 26, 2007 3:53 am

I note from the various airline guides and VS's own online timetable, that many flights are operated by A340-300s - such as Chicago, Washington and one or two others. However, on a visit to LHR in March, I recalled seeing VERY few VS A340-300s, the vast majority - if not all - being -600s.

Can anyone tell me if there are any VS A343s left at LHR and if so, what routes do they normally operate?
 
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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Sat May 26, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me if there are any VS A343s left at LHR and if so, what routes do they normally operate?

Yes, there are 5 still in the fleet. G-VAIR, G-VELD, G-VFAR, G-VSEA and G-VHOL. Also G-VSUN is currently with VK and should be returning shortly.

They currently operate to ORD/IAD/BOM/BOS and JFK/EWR from time to time.

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Sat May 26, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
I recalled seeing VERY few VS A340-300s

That's normal. Airlines make money by keeping aeroplanes in the air and not letting them sit around for spotters to see.

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Sat May 26, 2007 6:03 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 2):
Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
I recalled seeing VERY few VS A340-300s

That's normal. Airlines make money by keeping aeroplanes in the air and not letting them sit around for spotters to see.

Well, true, but at some points in the day at LHR you can see the beautiful VS-birds as far as the eye can reach...  Smile That's also normal, in order to offer connections among other reasons.

Yep, VS only has five left, but they have no plans on getting rid of these / replacing them with 346s. AFAIK the 343 are used to test routes before putting in the bigger birds; that's why it's used on ORD now, and NBO until recently. I guess competition on BOM is so tough that you can't fill a 346 no matter how much time you spend on building up the route, so of course it's also a general matter of matching capacity with demand; not just in the introduction phase of a new route.

All the best, VS! Looking forward to flying you again sometime soon!

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Sun May 27, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
that's why it's used on ORD now, and NBO until recently.

Has the LHR-NBO route been upgraded from an A343 already ?  Wink
(note route doesn't actually commence until 01/06/07 !!).

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
I guess competition on BOM is so tough that you can't fill a 346

Main reason is because BOM cannot handle the A346 too easily so it is hardly ever sent there. When it does go there IIRC they have to use 2 parking stands to accomodate it which costs VS more and could potentially cause problems for other carriers.

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Sun May 27, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 4):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
that's why it's used on ORD now, and NBO until recently.

Has the LHR-NBO route been upgraded from an A343 already ?
(note route doesn't actually commence until 01/06/07 !!).

Well, hadn't heard of it, but I just though so because you replied:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 1):
They currently operate to ORD/IAD/BOM/BOS and JFK/EWR from time to time.

..and I thought NBO had already started..!  Smile MRU hasn't started, too, right? Gonna be with a 343 or 346?

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 4):
Main reason is because BOM cannot handle the A346 too easily so it is hardly ever sent there. When it does go there IIRC they have to use 2 parking stands to accomodate it which costs VS more and could potentially cause problems for other carriers.

That is so funny!!... The business capital of a country with 20 % of the world's population can't handle a 346...!! But I guess it could be worse, if you can't fly a 346 into an airport (without trouble), Mumbai isn't the worst destination it could happen to, with such crazy competition. But how calm, actually? BA and LH for instance have no problems sending 747's I guess - the 346 is longer, but doesn't have a greater wingspan than the 343, or? WHat am I missing here?

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Mon May 28, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 5):
the 346 is longer, but doesn't have a greater wingspan than the 343, or? WHat am I missing here?

A343 - Wingspan 60.3m / length 63.6m
A346 - Wingspan 63.45m / length 75.3m
B744 - Wingspan 64.4m / length 70.7m

I'm not too familier with the layout of BOM, but there is definately an issue with the parking stands due to the size, and there are also some issues with taxiways too.

NBO and MRU are both planned to operate on the A343 from what I have read although I wouldn't be suprised to see the A346 on the inaugral flights.

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Mon May 28, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 1):
Yes, there are 5 still in the fleet. G-VAIR, G-VELD, G-VFAR, G-VSEA and G-VHOL. Also G-VSUN is currently with VK and should be returning shortly.

They currently operate to ORD/IAD/BOM/BOS and JFK/EWR from time to time.

The A343 also rotate on the following routes throughout the year - CPT, LOS, MIA, and LAX

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
Yep, VS only has five left, but they have no plans on getting rid of these / replacing them with 346s.

The A343s are due to be retired eventually. We have the 787 Dreamliners on order, and they due to take over from the A343. B787 are due to start being delivered in 2011.

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
AFAIK the 343 are used to test routes before putting in the bigger birds; that's why it's used on ORD now, and NBO until recently.

NBO does not start until next week (1st June 2007), but it will initially use an A343.

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
NBO and MRU are both planned to operate on the A343 from what I have read although I wouldn't be suprised to see the A346 on the inaugral flights.

MRU will operate from LGW, and the equipment will be a B744 in the LGW/MAN configuration (14J, 58W and 379Y). VS only operate B744 out of MAN/LGW.

It has been common practice to use A346 for inaugural flights out of LHR.

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Mon May 28, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
A343 - Wingspan 60.3m / length 63.6m
A346 - Wingspan 63.45m / length 75.3m
B744 - Wingspan 64.4m / length 70.7m

I'm not too familier with the layout of BOM, but there is definately an issue with the parking stands due to the size, and there are also some issues with taxiways too.

I guess BA, LH and others operating 744s into BOM will have the same problems as VS when they use a 346, then - or? Do they have to use two parking stands? BOM is such a joke......!!.... But that's kind of charming, too, IMO!...

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Mon May 28, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting Ozvirginuk (Reply 7):
VS only operate B744 out of MAN/LGW

I'm sure VS use 744s from LHR on many of their US services (VS03/04 - JFK, VS19/20 - SFO, VS01/02 -EWR). If I'm not mistaken, the LHR 744s are configured 44J, 32W, 318Y.
 
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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Mon May 28, 2007 6:54 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 8):
guess BA, LH and others operating 744s into BOM will have the same problems as VS when they use a 346, then - or? Do they have to use two parking stands? BOM is such a joke......!!.... But that's kind of charming, too, IMO!...

I believe the problem is with the length of the A346, not the wingspan. I think that if it parks straight in at the stand, the rear of the aircraft encroaches onto the taxiway. By positioning at an angle, I presume it would take up two stands.

The VS A346 was sent to DEL for a month or two as a substitution for the A343 during the peak season last winter.

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Mon May 28, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting Feroze (Reply 10):
Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 8):
guess BA, LH and others operating 744s into BOM will have the same problems as VS when they use a 346, then - or? Do they have to use two parking stands? BOM is such a joke......!!.... But that's kind of charming, too, IMO!...

I believe the problem is with the length of the A346, not the wingspan. I think that if it parks straight in at the stand, the rear of the aircraft encroaches onto the taxiway. By positioning at an angle, I presume it would take up two stands

Makes sense - thanks for clearing it up..! Funny how a couple of meters can cause so much trouble..!... But gotta love the 346, such a beautiful ac..

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Mon May 28, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting Ozvirginuk (Reply 7):
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
NBO and MRU are both planned to operate on the A343 from what I have read although I wouldn't be suprised to see the A346 on the inaugral flights.

MRU will operate from LGW, and the equipment will be a B744 in the LGW/MAN configuration (14J, 58W and 379Y). VS only operate B744 out of MAN/LGW.

I think Ive read somewhere MRU will be moved to LHR to make way for the new LGW-Kingston service in codeshare with Air Jamacia
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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Mon May 28, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 6):
A343 - Wingspan 60.3m / length 63.6m
A346 - Wingspan 63.45m / length 75.3m
B744 - Wingspan 64.4m / length 70.7m

Not all stands at T3 can take the A346 despite they are labelled Code E stands. B773s and A346s have to dock at specially designated Code E stands because of their lengths.
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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Tue May 29, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting Ozvirginuk (Reply 7):
MRU will operate from LGW, and the equipment will be a B744 in the LGW/MAN configuration (14J, 58W and 379Y).

Latest rumour has it that now VS has bought Air Jamaica's slots at LHR, the MRU service will operate from there on the A343 and the 744 earmarked for MRU will operate to KIN from LGW.

Quoting Feroze (Reply 10):
The VS A346 was sent to DEL for a month or two as a substitution for the A343 during the peak season last winter

DEL is now A346 daily. Has been for a while.

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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Tue May 29, 2007 9:07 am

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 14):
Latest rumour has it that now VS has bought Air Jamaica's slots at LHR, the MRU service will operate from there on the A343 and the 744 earmarked for MRU will operate to KIN from LGW

That would make more sense, seeing as currently all flights from LGW depart in the morning or early afternoon, and then return the next morning. The MRU schedules didn't really fit in and would result in an aircraft being on the ground for a significant amount of time both before and after the rotations, the latter of course being a nightstop.
 
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RE: Virgin A340s At LHR?

Wed May 30, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 9):
Quoting Ozvirginuk (Reply 7):
VS only operate B744 out of MAN/LGW

I'm sure VS use 744s from LHR on many of their US services (VS03/04 - JFK, VS19/20 - SFO, VS01/02 -EWR). If I'm not mistaken, the LHR 744s are configured 44J, 32W, 318Y.

You're exactly right, but I think you misunderstood my post. I meant that the only aircraft type operating the LGW/MAN routes is a B744. We still have 6 X 744 based at LHR. They are configured 44J, 32W and 310Y. They are also due for fit out of the new Premium Economy seat towards the end of the year, so maybe the configuration will change.

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 14):
Latest rumour has it that now VS has bought Air Jamaica's slots at LHR, the MRU service will operate from there on the A343 and the 744 earmarked for MRU will operate to KIN from LGW.

Well they say good news travel fast, but this is ridiculous. Internal communications were only sent out in the last couple of days, and it would appear that the above is to happen.

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