Paulie3323
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Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:02 am

Can anyone tell me if any airline flies a 747 on a domestic route? If there are none, can anyone tell me what the shortest international route would be that would offer me a good chance to fly in a 747?

Thanks,
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RE: 747 Flights

Sat May 26, 2007 7:11 am

Hi I,m not sure if they still does but I flew domestic in Thailand with Thai orient 747-200 a few years ago.
I also belive AI uses 747,s on domestic rutes and so does both JL and NH
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:11 am

Is Cathay Pacific still using 744s JFK-YVR?
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:13 am

I think SAA sometime uses their 744s on JNB-CPT
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:16 am

Last week, NWA was doing flights BCN - PMA , no more than 200nm, and I still don't know why these happen? The plane obviously came from somewhere from USA, and make a link between the two Mediterranean cities...

Not a regular flight but one of the shortest flights I've been noticed from the 747.
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:19 am

Btw You can also fly on a 744 from Bangkok to Phuket with TG
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 2):
Is Cathay Pacific still using 744s JFK-YVR?

Yes, but that isn't quite domestic!

Saudi Arabian and Qantas also use 747s on a few domestic sectors. A random check shows an SV 743 on at least one Jeddah-Riyadh flight, and QF uses the 743 on at least one daily SYD-PER flight although QF is soon retiring their 743s.

The most 747s on domestic routes must be in Japan. e.g. Tokyo (HND)-Sapporo (CTS) has about 45 daily nonstops, mostly widebodies, and 18 of them (8 JL and 10 NH) are 747s currently based on a quick check. That's long been the world's single busiest air route based on number of passengers. The JL/NH domestic configuration 747s have over 550 seats.

[Edited 2007-05-26 00:47:48]
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:48 am

BA on the BAH/DOH sector = 91 miles, not quite 'domestic' but within the GCC  Smile
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
QF uses the 743 on at least one daily SYD-PER flight

MEL to PER as well

The 743 at QF is being replaced by 763s being converted back to domestic config.
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Saudi Arabian and Qantas also use 747s on a few domestic sectors. A random check shows an SV 743 on at least one Jeddah-Riyadh flight, and QF uses the 743 on at least one daily SYD-PER flight although QF is soon retiring their 743s.

You could catch some of QF's 744 coming in from the states on the domestic side. Off the top of my head QF 175/176 you can use on the BNE-SYD route and QF 73/74 on the MEL-SYD route. Both of these go to LAX and SFO or coming back from there.

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 2):
Is Cathay Pacific still using 744s JFK-YVR?

Yes. And they have some of the best fares time to time on that sector. But not quite domestic ... but as the Yanks say.... its just Canada  Smile .
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 9:30 am

United used to use a 744 on some hops from LAX to DEN. Don't know if this is still the case, but it might be worth checking.
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 9:40 am

QF uses 744's LAX-JFK,but you must be ticketed to fly to/from Australia . JL used to do LAS-LAX,but you had to fly on to NRT. PR uses a A340 YVR-LAS,that you can book AFAIK.
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 9:58 am

If you are referring to US domestic flights, UA LAX-DEN seems to be one of the very few remaining. The days of the old 747s doing short domestic hops within the US are gone. I think the last short scheduled passenger 747 flight within the US was FF JFK-MIA using 747 classics. If you really want to experience the 747, I would say that the trip abroad is in order  Smile Not only will you get to experience the 747 but you'll also see the world.

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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 10:12 am

Quoting United_fan (Reply 11):
PR uses a A340 YVR-LAS,that you can book AFAIK.

I still don't see how this flight is making money. Are there really that many people going to LAS from MNL?

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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 10:18 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 13):
Are there really that many people going to LAS from MNL?

Probably not many. Are they codesharing with LAS based airlines, such as HP? That would make much more sense.

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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 10:30 am

Quoting Paulie3323 (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me if any airline flies a 747 on a domestic route? If there are none, can anyone tell me what the shortest international route would be that would offer me a good chance to fly in a 747?

Maybe the thread starter whishes to know whether there are 747 domestic flights in the USA, he has indicated his intention to get a flight on a short 747 trip.
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 12:19 pm

UA does maintenance check flights from time to time using 744s. They pop up every once in a while. The last scheduled one that I can remember was from SFO-ORD in Dec for a week. Last summer they also ran SFO-ORD. The previous summer they ran to DEN from SFO. You need to check the timetables. I haven't seen any scheduled this yr yet. Sometimes they are also equipt subs for 777s.

I really don't fly international so it is awesome to get a 744 domestic. If you see any in the system please post to let us all know.
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 12:20 pm

The question is, and I have the same one, for someone in the US, who wants to experience a 747 flight but needs to spend as little as possible, what would be the best choice? Of course, this is going to depend a lot upon where that person is. But are there 747 flights from the US, that do not go trans Atlantic or trans pacific?
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 2:09 pm

The only LH 747s flying domestic in Germany do a FRA-HAM-FRA flight for maintenance at Lufthansa Technik, but there have been occasions when a 747 was ferried to HAM for charter flights, like one flight last December which went HAM-GIG, along with the occasional diversion to NUE, or other airports, which require ferry flights to FRA.

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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 3:07 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 13):
I still don't see how this flight is making money. Are there really that many people going to LAS from MNL?

It helps a lot to be able to carry passengers to and from CYVR and KLAS. I know a few years back, they did a great amount of business in the local market.
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 5:26 pm

About nine or so years ago I flew to BOS on a TWA 747, it was an equipment sub (Obviously) on TW730, JFK-BOS.Talking to the crew I came to find out it was continuing on to CDG as TW810.

I think it took longer to service and board the aircraft than it did to actually fly to BOS.
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sat May 26, 2007 6:54 pm

Buenos Aires - Rio Gallegos was an interesting one with AR back in the day. 747SP's in Wellington, NZ would also have been an awesome sight after the short-hop from SYD... but that's all way in the past.

Yes, QF ops PER-SYD/MEL with 743's. Also runs the domestic add-on's from the transpacific flights BNE/MEL-SYD. I also saw a -400 in CNS last week..... guessing it had operated a domestic hop from SYD?
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:09 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 13):
I still don't see how this flight is making money. Are there really that many people going to LAS from MNL?

Eh, many Filipinos in Las Vegas, so yes. There you go...
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 12):
If you are referring to US domestic flights, UA LAX-DEN seems to be one of the very few remaining.

UA doesn't use the 744 on LAX-DEN anymore. 763 is the biggest you'll find on that route. The 744 was a regular sight in DEN, but not the case anymore. Now that LH isn't switching back to the 744 on DEN-FRA, DEN has no scheduled 747 service.  Sad
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 24):
. Now that LH isn't switching back to the 744 on DEN-FRA, DEN has no scheduled 747 service. Sad

I assume you mean LH is switching back to A340s?
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
I assume you mean LH is switching back to A340s?

DEN-FRA will be operated year round using A346 instead of the seasonal swap to 744.
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:34 am

IIRC there are no longer any UA 744s being operated on a scheduled basis on routes within the US. I am thankful to have non-rev'd on UA120 LAX-ORD back a couple years, before it got downgraded. I was also lucky to get United First, and to have an amazing Purser who made a speech that "we are travelling today on the flagship of the United fleet, and currently the largest passenger aircraft in the world; please enjoy your flight on the Boeing 747-400"... Being a nerd, it caused me to get goosebumps. Oh yeah, and that the 744 took about 1/3 of the runway to rotate was good too.  Wink
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 26):
DEN-FRA will be operated year round using A346 instead of the seasonal swap to 744.

The only rationale I can think of them doing this is since they do DEN-MUC now as well.

When I took LH449 FRA-DEN last August, the plane was mostly full...maybe 20 open seats, if that.
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting Paulie3323 (Thread starter):
shortest international route would be that would offer me a good chance to fly in a 747?

Koreanair from Tokyo to Seoul is about 90 mins. Daily schedule.

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 2):
Is Cathay Pacific still using 744s JFK-YVR?

Yes - the timings on the eastbound are perfect, leave in the morning, fly across the continent enjoying one of the best airline in the world flying the best aircraft ever built, and land in the Big Apple at sunset. Perfect day.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 3):
I think SAA sometime uses their 744s on JNB-CPT

Daily. And A346.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
QF uses the 743 on at least one daily SYD-PER flight

Yes, and it was the last 747-200 schedule, the evening flight (about 6pm). Used to love seeing that 747 Classic at the gate of the domestic terminal, usually, for me at least, seen from a taxiing Rex puddle-jumper.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
The most 747s on domestic routes must be in Japan. e.g. Tokyo (HND)-Sapporo (CTS)

Well spotted by putting Sapporo; Tokyo to Osaka is a bigger market but four engined aircraft have been banned at Osaka Itami. I think KIX gets 747s but the Osaka has certainly become more problematic for 747s since the ruling at Itami.

Quoting Saxdiva (Reply 10):
United used to use a 744 on some hops from LAX to DEN

Still do I believe. And isn't there a Chicago domestic, either from DEN or LAX? Finally, there is a 747 from Dulles to Frankfurt every night in summer, how does the aircraft position to IAD? Based there for the season or coming in from LA every afternoon?

Finally, at risk of going right off the topic, for a while (a season or two), BA operated a Concorde service on a couple of UK domestic flights each week instead of the usual 757 or 737 as a plug for their Super Shuttle service. This was in the 80s I think.
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:20 am

UPS flies 747s from SDF-PHL, ONT-PHL, SDF-DFW among others. Always a great way to get to work!
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:21 pm

LH does DXB-AUH-DXB ...
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:44 pm

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 24):
763 is the biggest you'll find on that route

There is a daily 777.
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:31 pm

Quoting VoLGio (Reply 4):
Last week, NWA was doing flights BCN - PMA , no more than 200nm, and I still don't know why these happen? The plane obviously came from somewhere from USA, and make a link between the two Mediterranean cities...

NW stations most, if not all, their 742's at NRT and around asia, so the 747's don't have to come from the USA
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:42 pm

AI does flies the 747 between DEL and BOM
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting Phishphan70 (Reply 33):
Quoting VoLGio (Reply 4):
Last week, NWA was doing flights BCN - PMA , no more than 200nm, and I still don't know why these happen? The plane obviously came from somewhere from USA, and make a link between the two Mediterranean cities...

NW stations most, if not all, their 742's at NRT and around asia, so the 747's don't have to come from the USA

I read that there was not RON parking in BCN,so it was sent to PMA to overnite. I also read that the plane flew onto DTW then MZJ to be scrapped!
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:31 pm

you can catch a 777 mia-ord with AA. and you could go in a 744 from lax-jfk with qantas
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:59 pm

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 12):
I think the last short scheduled passenger 747 flight within the US was FF JFK-MIA using 747 classics.

DEN-ORD, DEN-LAX, DEN-SFO all would have been shorter. Didn't NW also do a DTW-JFK positioning flt before they pulled the JFK-NRT service?

Quoting Cloudboy (Reply 17):
for someone in the US, who wants to experience a 747 flight but needs to spend as little as possible, what would be the best choice?

Last year, the "Southwest Effect," aka price matching, pitted a UA 744 (DEN-ORD) against a WN 737-300 (DEN-MDW). Both flights were under $100 one way. United will be your 1st bet. After that, check Oasis HK.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 28):
The only rationale I can think of them doing this is since they do DEN-MUC now as well.

 checkmark  Daily services to DEN on a 346 from FRA and a 343 from MUC.

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 36):
and you could go in a 744 from lax-jfk with qantas

Good point, but I don't think QF has cabotage rights.
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:49 am

BA have used 747's on LHR - Glasgow / Edinburgh and Manchester flights when there's exceptional demand or something goes bump. It's not the norm though.
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 36):
and you could go in a 744 from lax-jfk with qantas

I think that is illegal unless you continue on out of the US, isnt it?
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 39):
Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 36):
and you could go in a 744 from lax-jfk with qantas

I think that is illegal unless you continue on out of the US, isnt it?

Yes, QF (or any other non-US carrier) cannot carry domestic traffic between two U.S. points.
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:51 am

I was going to say i thought there were plenty japaneese domestic like:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
The most 747s on domestic routes must be in Japan. e.g. Tokyo (HND)-Sapporo (CTS) has about 45 daily nonstops, mostly widebodies, and 18 of them (8 JL and 10 NH) are 747s currently based on a quick check. That's long been the world's single busiest air route based on number of passengers.

WOW!!!!! How do they find soooo many passengers willing to do this route??
Doesnt Japan also have the fastest trains that connect cities, and not to mention people driving???
What is it with sooo much traffic between japaneese cities.

Also it has been mentioned before that in america the demand is for flights scheduled as close as possibe so people can work with a better schedule, so for the most part in america the rule is: many frequencies; small aircraft
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:11 am

Well the CI 744 that flies into BNA daily always goes to SEA, SFO, or IAH so I suppose that would be "domestic" flights in the USA for 747's. LOL!!!
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:57 am

What about Columbia flight 409 from IAD to LAX.

Is that still around?
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 37):
Didn't NW also do a DTW-JFK positioning flt before they pulled the JFK-NRT service?

IIRC the plane was parked in JFK for 22 hours, that was one of the decisive points why NW closed down that route.

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 39):
Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 36):
and you could go in a 744 from lax-jfk with qantas

I think that is illegal unless you continue on out of the US, isnt it?

QF cannot sell tickets but I remember reading that if you use your Oneworld miles to go between JFK and LAX you can be on a QF flight eventhough you are not going to Australia.

Quoting N867BX (Reply 43):
What about Columbia flight 409 from IAD to LAX.

Is that still around?

No, I think they pulled it after it hit Baron 232 zulu and killed Mr. Scott Freeman. Also, that flight was probably the only west bound red eye that left IAD in the evening and was scheduled to arrive at LAX in the morning.

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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:05 pm

Jeez, I think I'll just start a website that allows people to book not by airline or price, but rather by aircraft type. While I've flown on a 747 now, I'd still like to collect flights on the A330, the A340, and, when it begins service, the 787.

I know most airlines' sites offer the equipment information after you select parameters for a flight search, but it would be nice to be able to select a flight purely by equipment alone somehow. Is there a site with this info that I'd be able to have a look at, then go flight shopping?
 
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RE: Domestic 747 Flights?

Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 28):
When I took LH449 FRA-DEN last August, the plane was mostly full...maybe 20 open seats, if that.

And if I recall, weren't you the lucky one that diverted to COS that day due to t-storms at DEN? Now the short hop COS to DEN would have been fun.

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