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UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 8:50 am

Does anybody know how many widebody a/c are used by UA exclusively in their domestic operations?
Since everybody says their are short on longhaul a/c why don't they redeploy them like DL did? - A 77A should make it from IAD to LHR or FRA, or?
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 8:56 am

As far as I know, the only exclusively domestic widebodies are dedicated to Hawaii flights. They are two class and not three class aircraft.
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting LH506 (Thread starter):
A 77A should make it from IAD to LHR or FRA, or?

UA does utilize 772A aircraft on shorter transatlantic route, such as IAD to LHR or FRA as you pointed out. The 772A has quite a bit of range and has no problems, limitations or restricitons on such services.

UA does have a subfleet of 772As with a ""domestic"" interior (I dont recall the number, one of our UA experts will surely know) that mainly fly West Coast-Hawaii services although these aircraft will find their way to UA's hubs at Denver, Chicago and Washington from time to time running inter-hub services. The domestic 772As are no different in capabilities than UA's other 772As, they simply have a different interior configuration with a domestic F class set up.
 
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting LH506 (Thread starter):
Does anybody know how many widebody a/c are used by UA exclusively in their domestic operations?

14 B767-300 and 6 B777-200, but some INTL WB are used on Domestic service. Some include, but not limited too:

IAD-SEA/SFO/LAX/ORD/DEN
SFO-ORD
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting Amwest2United (Reply 3):
14 B767-300 and 6 B777-200, but some INTL WB are used on Domestic service. Some include, but not limited too:

IAD-SEA/SFO/LAX/ORD/DEN
SFO-ORD
ORD-DEN

So do they really need them domestically or are there any plans to use them to expand internationally?
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 11:28 am

Most if not all of the domestic UA widebody flights are in reality positioning flights for international flights
 
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 1:51 pm

My girlfriend who lives near BWI flew UA 99 BWI-ORD and UA1236 ORD-BWI on a 767-300. Doesn't that seem odd?
 
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting ORD+Boy+2" class=quote target=_blank>ORD Boy 2 (Reply 6):
My girlfriend who lives near BWI flew UA 99 BWI-ORD and UA1236 ORD-BWI on a 767-300. Doesn't that seem odd?

No, they send a 763 to BWI it seems about every other schedule. It can't sit in ORD and BWI has the equipment still to work it. IAD already has a W/B at about the same time and it would be to much capacity for BOS. They used to send one to CLE and DTW as well.
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 3:15 pm

I am curious if UA is going to keep these 'Hawaii' wide bodies configured in 2 classes. When they announced the new INTL upgrade to premium cabins, they stated that ALL widebodies in UA's fleet would be fitted with the new cabins. Did they forget to exclude the high density 'Hawaii' aircraft? Is it possible that we will see 3 class service to Hawaii?

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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 3:21 pm

Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 8):
Is it possible that we will see 3 class service to Hawaii?

I would not count on 3 cabin W/B to Hawaii. I am sure they were meaning all current 3 cabin W/B aircraft. Something for me to ask about on Tuesday though.
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sat May 26, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 8):
Is it possible that we will see 3 class service to Hawaii?

No, except perhaps from Japan or as a substitution. UA even configured 3 of their 747-100s in a 2 cabin configuration for HNL. Even the 2 cabin 777s are overkill for Hawaii. UA have trouble selling the F seats and they are generally occupied by employees and upgraders. Hawaii would be perfect for TED except for the overwater range issues.
 
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Sat May 26, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
UA have trouble selling the F seats and they are generally occupied by employees and upgraders. Hawaii would be perfect for TED except for the overwater range issues.

The 777 and 767 flights are big on cargo and I've heard do quite well for UA. Ted is not the right product for this route.
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Rou

Sat May 26, 2007 5:12 pm

Quoting Planecrazy2 (Reply 11):
The 777 and 767 flights are big on cargo and I've heard do quite well for UA.

The 767 is not optimal for cargo. UA will probably eventually operate 787s to HNL.
 
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sun May 27, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
The 767 is not optimal for cargo. UA will probably eventually operate 787s to HNL.

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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sun May 27, 2007 4:39 am

Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 13):
Someone is dreaming........ UA has NO CASH for new airplanes......

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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sun May 27, 2007 6:17 am

The 777 Domestic is used for Hawaii as well as flights between ORD and SFO since ORD and SFO are the only airports (I think) that utilize the 777 to Hawaii. I am on a 777 between ORD and SFO a few times a month and it usually is 2 cabin, and my return usually includes IAD-DEN (also a 777) but it is a three cabin.
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sun May 27, 2007 10:34 am

I have seen in the past a 777-200A scheduled on ORD-DEN but I think that is for capacity reasons during the winter seasons. I have seen regular 762 runs scheduled between IAD-ORD when the two airfields are 589 miles apart. I think capacity on the markets has to do with it. We can all probably agree that you are more likely to see a wide body on a domestic run on any carrier when it is between hubs than when it is a hub-spoke flight.
 
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sun May 27, 2007 10:50 pm

Does UA use a domestic configured 777 for UA830/831 ORD-SFO or is it an international 772 from ORD-SFO-NGO-SFO-ORD ? I think the domestic leg is usually 'United 831 Tango'

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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Rou

Sun May 27, 2007 10:58 pm

Quoting ORD+Boy+2" class=quote target=_blank>ORD Boy 2 (Reply 16):
have seen in the past a 777-200A scheduled on ORD-DEN but I think that is for capacity reasons during the winter seasons. I have seen regular 762 runs scheduled between IAD-ORD when the two airfields are 589 miles apart. I think capacity on the markets has to do with it. We can all probably agree that you are more likely to see a wide body on a domestic run on any carrier when it is between hubs than when it is a hub-spoke flight.

ORD-IAD and back are usually 763 with 3 cabins. These are either repositioning or utilization flights that eventually end going international in the evening or cycle through ORD to SFO for maintenance.

Quoting QF108 (Reply 17):
Does UA use a domestic configured 777 for UA830/831 ORD-SFO or is it an international 772 from ORD-SFO-NGO-SFO-ORD ? I think the domestic leg is usually 'United 831 Tango'

Usually it is 3 cabin b/c as you said that aircraft is flying to Asia after the domestic leg.

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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sun May 27, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Amwest2United (Reply 7):
IAD already has a W/B at about the same time and it would be to much capacity for BOS

Really? I would have guessed that a 767 would do well on one ORD-BOS or ORD-LGA run a day...I'm also surprised by BWI--UA must do more business there than I thought.
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Sun May 27, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 13):
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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 3:27 am

I've booked a trip for August and I am on UA 915 IAD-SFO and it shows that's its an international configuration (777) while on UA158 SFO-ORD I am on a two-class config 777. So obviously I can assume that my flight 158 is a continuation from Hawaii (red-eye flight) while 915 is either a continuation of an international flight or a repositioning flight. At least on the int'l config aircraft I'll have the ptv in Y.

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RE: UA Widebodies Used Exclusively On Domestic Routes

Mon May 28, 2007 7:56 am

Quoting Amwest2United (Reply 7):
No, they send a 763 to BWI it seems about every other schedule. It can't sit in ORD and BWI has the equipment still to work it. IAD already has a W/B at about the same time and it would be to much capacity for BOS. They used to send one to CLE and DTW as well.

Just a minor correction, but UA in BOS serves at least two times the number of pax on a daily basis than BWI, and I disagree that demand for BOS-ORD is less than BWI-ORD. In fact, I'd say it's several times higher. We always wondered why BWI got the widebodies over BOS. Even our Station Mgr escalated that to his VP. It may have something to do with it being a shorter turn (ORD-BWI-ORD) than BOS, in order to fit the flight in to its normal routing, but that's all I can think of.
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