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Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:05 am

Interesting email I received from "Special Guests.com," which is a booking service for speakers to get on radio/television shows, etc. etc.

Anyway, it pertains to criticisms over Delta Air Line's choice of showings for its in flight entertainment. Read at your own leisure and draw your own conclusions. Keep in mind this is basically an advertisement for the group, Morality in Media.





DELTA IN-FLIGHT MOVIES MAKE JANET JACKSON’S WARDROBE ‘MALFUNCTION’ LOOK TAME

Delta is ready when you are.

Want nude films?

Can’t wait ‘til you hit the ground? No problem. Delta is flaunting nude films despite objections from its ‘prudish’ passengers.

Robert Peters, President of Morality in Media, is available for Talk Show interviews to discuss Delta’s outrageous affront to decency and their blatant subjection of children to graphic nude scenes.

On May 17, Morality in Media received a call from a citizen in Atlanta who reported that Delta Airlines had aired HBO’s “Rome,” with scenes of nudity and simulated sex, on overhead TV screens in the aisle. When he complained, he was told the program should have been available only on “private” screens. When he objected to showing “Rome” on “private” screens, he was told the airlines would be editing sexually explicit scenes to three seconds or less and that passengers who objected to content on “private” screens would be reseated.

Robert Peters, President of Morality in Media, had the following comments:

“When I fly, I often find myself watching programming that is exhibited on a screen controlled by a passenger seated adjacent to me or in a row ahead of me. These screens, like laptop computer or cell phone screens, are ‘private’ only in the sense that each passenger controls the programming.

“While it is understandable that commercial airlines want to maximize each passenger’s choice when it comes to viewing programming on ‘private’ screens, it should also be understood that other passengers sitting nearby are, for all practical purposes, a captive audience.

“Once the flight is underway, and especially when a flight is full, passengers can’t just get up and go to another seat. Flight attendants must first find another passenger who wouldn’t mind getting an eyeful of explicit sex on a nearby screen. If a parent and child want to move, attendants must find two passengers seated next to each other that are willing to move.

“And what if a parent is asleep or engrossed in a book when the sex heats up? What if a parent can’t see the sexually explicit programming because his or her view is blocked?

“Reportedly, Delta Airlines’ solution to this dilemma is to edit nudity or explicit sex to three seconds or less. To put that in perspective Janet Jackson’s breast was exposed for only 19/32 of a second on CBS TV during the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show.

“According to Dr. Judith Reisman, ‘“in 3/10 of a second a visual image passes from the eye through the brain, and whether or not one wants to, the brain is structurally changed and memories are created – we literally ‘grow new brain’ with each new visual experience.”’ [“Hearing on the Brain Science of Pornography Addiction,” U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, Subcommittee on Science, Technology and Space, 11/8/04]

“Or, take a watch with a second hand, count along (one, two, three), and then ask yourself, ‘What parent would permit a child to (repeatedly) view explicit sex for two or three seconds?’

“In case someone thinks the caller overreacted, here are descriptions of content on HBO’s ‘Rome.’

“‘In “Rome,” HBO really lays it on thick. Every few minutes, somebody is gutted with a sword, nailed to a crucifix, tortured, whipped or otherwise beaten…As for sex, the Rome of “Rome” is a veritable fornication nation. Wenches are plucked off the streets or fields by marauding soldiers, who rape and discard them. A noblewoman…beds everyone in sight.’ [N.Y. Post, 8/24/05]

“‘But in the hands of devilishly vulgar and explicit HBO, this Rome is especially bad…as in bloody, vicious and wicked. With this much stabbing, throat slitting and sexual debauchery, it’s a city only the stoutest of heart should visit…HBO…shows us a “Rome” that is sadistic and obscene, with plenty of sword gougings and full-frontal nudity.’ [Salt Lake City Tribune, 8/26/05]

“‘The egregious sex (heightened in the next few weeks…) and the zeal for bloody, sharp-knifed close combat, should remind everyone that this is HBO…Rome is full of …bloody fights and provocative sexual encounters (If you thought the May-December lesbian tryst…was different, wait two weeks for something far more boundary pushing).’ [San Francisco Chronicle, 10/14/05]

“‘I’m not sure why “Rome” has become somewhat less full of naked women and rapes in fields…It is still far too naughty…to be shown in classrooms…’ [Chicago Sun Times, 1/11/07]

“‘Rome’…has pioneered a new category: HBO Trash. The series may be HBO's most visually spectacular outing…but "Rome" has the…soul of a hard-R-rated soap.’ [Boston Globe, 1/13/07]

“‘Rome’ is visually intoxicating…Abject cruelty and hedonism has rarely looked so sumptuous…It's an endless flood of beatings, buggerings, exploitation of young male prostitutes, grubby men refusing to rise from their bed until they've been satisfied (and it doesn't matter by who) and lasciviously rendered torture scenes.’ [Daily News of Los Angeles, 1/14/07]


ABOUT MORALITY IN MEDIA…

Headquartered in New York City, Morality In Media (MIM) works through constitutional means to curb traffic in illegal obscenity. MIM operates the www.obscenitycrimes.org website, where citizens can report possible violations of federal Internet obscenity laws.

Established in New York City in 1962 to combat pornography, now national in scope, Morality In Media works to inform citizens and public officials about the harms of pornography and about what they can do through law to protect their communities and children. MIM also works to maintain standards of decency on TV and in other media. Contributions are tax-exempt.

ABOUT ROBERT PETERS…

Robert Peter is President of Morality in Media. He is a regular guest on many television programs including three times on Larry King. He has been a diligent warrior in the fight against indecency for over two decades.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:15 am

Customers can choose not to watch if they're offended. We cannot edit the world to please the conservative, or morally righteous.

In fact, I enjoyed two Sex in the City episode and one Soprano's episode on Thursday.

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:27 am

Yeah, exactly how does this differ from someone watching a similar show or movie on their laptop? Would you like Delta to establish a rule that you can only bring G rated programming on board?  Yeah sure
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:28 am

Really, these people need to get a grip. All these "morality" based groups have way too much power in society. I'm sick of these groups imposing their self-rightous moral views on everyone else. If they don't like what's on, they have the right to fly a different airline or start their own. I for one am glad Delta shows HBO. Seems as though everyone else plays it safe with nonstop, mindless Disney crap.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:29 am

It's always funny how the eyes of the easily offended seem to wander around more than those of the regular passenger...
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
Customers can choose not to watch if they're offended. We cannot edit the world to please the conservative, or morally righteous.

Agreed...But our PTV screens at Qantas cannot be viewed from the sides...you can only see whats showing on the screen if you are face to face with the screen.

Are Delta's different?

I know SQ, KE, NZ, EK PTV's also have the same screen as ours...

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:39 am

I agree. The world is becomming increasng "politically correct". That, as far as I am concerned is very dangerous. If someone is offended by the content I CHOOSE to watch, then I would consider turning it off, if they asked nicely.

What I do not appreciate is people who hang around in busy Coffee houses and challenge customers on their political/religious belief's. I do not have to justify my lifestlye / religion to anybody, least of all some whack job from the bible belt. A leaflet is fair enough, but a lecture? No way.

Similarly these "poor sensitive" people need to get a life. Could some one please explain to me how sex would be damaging to a youg person. Those who are old enough to watch a screen for an exteded period of time are old enough to know about sex. Very young children wont even realise what is going on.

Sex is controversial, I accecpt that. But, on the other hand, it is a biological function. I cant see how anybody would be "damaged" by it. People need to grow up, be mature, and act like adults, not skittish school girls.

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 2:25 am

Cant keep everyone happy all of time, can you?

Delta (and other carriers.......Delta is taking the heat here, but this issue is certainly not DL specific) is being challenged because they offer a choice of video entertainment on board their flights, and that stinks. Yes, some of the HBO programming is a ""adult oriented", but really, its hardly pornography or so explicit or graphic that its troublesome. Lets face it, every 6 year old is watching HBO....and if certain passengers dont like these shows, do the same thing that they would do at home, turn it off and watch the Disney Channel.

CO has shown Sex and the City episodes and Sopranos episodes on one channel of their video lineup years for a long period a few years ago (cant remember if it was shown only in bizfirst or both cabins) and both shows contained ""adult content""........why is this becoming an issue now for DL? Maybe the members of the this group never flew on a CO international flight since they never leave the US? Who knows?
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 4:15 am

How dare they show people in the form God made them, doing the most natural thing humans do!

All that nudity and sex takes screen time away from the violence and death we currently raise our children on.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 4:56 am

I believe the saying goes:

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 5:19 am

This is nothing more than Robert Peter's drumming up precious media exposure for his company "Morality in Media." He has to earn his "paycheck".
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 5:34 am

Hey I don't see what the problem is... the TV's only work half the time. I have had IFE's on 4 flights with DL and they have only worked on 2 of them. and the over head is such bad quality, that you wouldn't be able to tell anything apart really.

Ok in all seriousness I think that sex should NEVER be played on a overhead screen, no questions about it, that is a very sad thing to do. As for PTV's... well thats a bit harder to answer, I know on other airlines, like QF (as airnewzealand said), the PTV's can only be seen from directly in front of so there is nothing to be concerned about. Yet on airlines like DL where you can watch other peoples movies it becomes a bit more public. With that being said if you don't want to see the sex on someones personal Television, then don't bloody well watch it... simple as that
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 11):
Hey I don't see what the problem is... the TV's only work half the time. I have had IFE's on 4 flights with DL and they have only worked on 2 of them.

Wow, that's only 50%! You've had really bad luck. lol. I've had quite good luck with DL's new PTVs and I am quite impressed by it. However, I've noticed that it seems like there's one channel or two sometimes that don't work on each flight.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 3):
Really, these people need to get a grip. All these "morality" based groups have way too much power in society

Americans need to get a grip and focus on more important things than imposing morals or believes on others, if it were for all these Christian psychos we would be living in Christian Taliban in the US. I am a devout practicing catholic, but I could care less about all of these morality issues, morals are private and can never be imposed.

Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 4):
It's always funny how the eyes of the easily offended seem to wander around more than those of the regular passenger...

Very funny indeed.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 5:52 am

I disagree ! And I really have to wonder about some of you at times. Is there nothing left that is sacred with some of you anymore?

This picture was not shown on private individual screens- It was shown on the overhead public screens.

There has to be a line of decency somewhere.

The interesting thing that I find though - Some of you were up in arms when VS was showing the film about 9/11 on their aircrafts. Yet you think there is nothing wrong with showing stimulated sex scenes to kids.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Cant keep everyone happy all of time, can you?

Appearantly not. That article is the biggest load of pig crap ive ever read. Some people are just way too far out there I guess. Just dont watch it if you dont want to. Sometimes I think people just get false morals. The thing is that airlines are trying to show tons and tons of movies and TV shows from PTV on all their aircraft. With the shape of entertainment in the modern day, your bound to run into some sex and violence at some point while surfing your hundreds of channels on your PTV. With all of the crazy stuff going on in the world, moral decay on airline TV's should be the least of everyones worries.

Thats why I love my hometown, no morals anywhere to be found.  Wink If you dont believe me just go to Santa Monica Blvd in Hollywood on a Saturday night and look at the collection of gay and transvestite prostitutes. Or theres Sunset Blvd if you look female prostitutes.  Big grin
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
On May 17, Morality in Media received a call from a citizen in Atlanta who reported that Delta Airlines had aired HBO’s “Rome,” with scenes of nudity and simulated sex, on overhead TV screens in the aisle.

Was this confirmed as correct?

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
When he complained, he was told the program should have been available only on “private” screens. When he objected to showing “Rome” on “private” screens, he was told the airlines would be editing sexually explicit scenes to three seconds or less and that passengers who objected to content on “private” screens would be reseated.

It seems that ROME is a selection for PTV viewing and the article cited goes on to complain about PTV issues.....

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
“When I fly, I often find myself watching programming that is exhibited on a screen controlled by a passenger seated adjacent to me or in a row ahead of me. These screens, like laptop computer or cell phone screens, are ‘private’ only in the sense that each passenger controls the programming.

Thus, while I respect your position, I am really not sure that we are talking about cabin monitors........the focus of the piece seems to be PTV screens and the ability to watch PTV screens being used by other pax.

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):
This picture was not shown on private individual screens- It was shown on the overhead public screens.


I am not convinced that ROME was shown on the cabin monitors, and if it was, its was clearly an error by the cabin crew (not sure how that would happen) and a mistake. As I stated above, I have no problem with a show like ROME available as a choice on the PTV system, but I agree it is a bit graphic for viewing on the general cabin wide entertainment system.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
Thats why I love my hometown, no morals anywhere to be found. If you dont believe me just go to Santa Monica Blvd in Hollywood on a Saturday night and look at the collection of gay and transvestite prostitutes. Or theres Sunset Blvd if you look female prostitutes

You are far too young to remember when Santa Monica Blvd was really fun.....I was there but dont remember much but I did hear that I had a great time.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 5):
Are Delta's different?

I have experienced the product twice. Once on Song, and once more recently on Delta Mainline. The one on song was like what you describe; you had to be directly infront of it to view it. Your seatmates could not view it, it looked as if the screens were not even on.

Then on my more recent trip, it was a lot more visible.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:23 pm

Delta need to show "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and "Entourage"
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 1:24 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
Thats why I love my hometown, no morals anywhere to be found

You got the idealistic, moralistic, extreme Christians in the Palisades and Malibu. Mel Gibson anyone?

Seriously, though, who cares about sex scenes on TV? 99% of all men have a dick. 99% of all women have tits. I don't see what the problem is when the clothes comes on. Beside, every self-respecting teenager has hours of porn saved onto their computer. If they didn't give so much free-publicity towards sex, the number of hyper-active sex addict teenagers would not be as high as it is. Fact of the matter is, teens do everything there not supposed to. under-aged sex, under-age drinking, drugs, fights, this, that. you can't stop that, we just generally are over rebellious.

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):
Yet you think there is nothing wrong with showing stimulated sex scenes to kids.

I don't think this is the case. I don't think the screen popped up with Mickey Mouse waving, then turned into two people having sex.

Nor do I think the FA came on the PA and said "and here we have on our TVs, for all the kids out there, some sex scenes! Take notes please!"

Responsible parents will keep their kids from watching it. Irresponsible parents will let their kids see it regardless, whether it's on an airplane or in the living room or visiting the vast collection of actual porn, not just TV show sex, the wonderful internet offers.

People these days are too uptight and throwing their "morals" in others faces.

When I don't like something that's going on, I ignore it. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

This is in agreeance with:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
I am not convinced that ROME was shown on the cabin monitors, and if it was, its was clearly an error by the cabin crew (not sure how that would happen) and a mistake. As I stated above, I have no problem with a show like ROME available as a choice on the PTV system, but I agree it is a bit graphic for viewing on the general cabin wide entertainment system.

Granted I also hold a belief that even if it was on the cabin-wide viewable screen, nobody is forced to look at that either.

Murder/gore/rape (as long as no breasts are shown) are ok. Everything else. Someone takes issue.

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 2:42 pm

On a recent BA flight, the entertainment guide stated that if adults did not want their children viewing certain programs, those channels could be locked out at a given seat by the Flight Attendants. Is this the case on any other airlines?

I have never seen Rome and don't know what it's like, but it does sound a little graphic for mainscreen entertainment. However, I see no reason to censor things for the general public on PTVs, so long as there is a way to allow adults to either keep themselves or their children from seeing something they don't like in front of them.

I'd also like to note that the PTV of the person in the seat ahead of you can sometimes be seen depending on recline and such, and if you're seated in an aisle you can often see the PTV across the aisle and several rows ahead. Of course the screens are so small it's hard to make out such details from 12 inches away, let alone 12 feet.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 2:46 pm

the only problem for me with showing sexually explicit scenes on a plane is that there is nothing you can do about it until you land!

i remember passenger complaining about showing brokebck mountain. god forbid anyone selecting a film tht shows two boys in kissing!
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 2:48 pm

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 19):
You got the idealistic, moralistic, extreme Christians in the Palisades and Malibu. Mel Gibson anyone?

Yes, but thats not LA. I spent my time growing up in West LA and Hollywood. The areas you mention are completely different.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
You are far too young to remember when Santa Monica Blvd was really fun.....I was there but dont remember much but I did hear that I had a great time.

Ahh yes, the glory days. I go clubbing in Hollywood frequently, and I still get solicited by prostitutes almost every time I go out. Its still a crazy place, although it used to be even more so.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 2:58 pm

That article is just a huge load of stinking political propaganda. I honestly don't know why people have to make such a big fuss over things such as these. There are bigger and far more prevalent problems in this world than sex on TV. If you don't want to watch it, then choose something else to watch. Don't b#@^$ and moan about it.

Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 3):
Really, these people need to get a grip. All these "morality" based groups have way too much power in society. I'm sick of these groups imposing their self-rightous moral views on everyone else. If they don't like what's on, they have the right to fly a different airline or start their own. I for one am glad Delta shows HBO. Seems as though everyone else plays it safe with nonstop, mindless Disney crap.

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I can't stand how these people are so bothered by such matters. It's disgusting to me how they worry about things like this that they view as "major issues" when we have much larger things to deal with such as illegal immigration etc.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 6):
Sex is controversial, I accecpt that. But, on the other hand, it is a biological function. I cant see how anybody would be "damaged" by it. People need to grow up, be mature, and act like adults, not skittish school girls.

Exactly.

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If you don't like it then don't watch it. Get over it. Stop whining, you're acting like 5 year-olds. Besides you should be doing something productive or educational like reading a book or something. Americans are way too concerned about entertainment and being entertained in the first place.

There are too many people who just don't take the time to think that sex is just one of many human bodily functions and that they just need to deal with it in a way that will not upset other people. They need to mind their own business and keep those things to themselves instead of wasting time and money on an effort to change what people can and cannot view while on a plane. Sex is just a part of life and it's going to be on TV whether you like it or not. That's how society is these days. It's not like you're actually going see people doing it out with everything showing. Most of it is making out and under the sheets stuff.

So, just deal with it. It happens and then it's over. No big deal.


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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 3:05 pm

The moral issues aside, which clearly escape 99% of you, the fact that you cannot live without visual stimulus for a 12 hour stretch (or less) is utterly pathetic. You know, there was a time when I was proud to be a member of this community.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 3:17 pm

o god the Bible thumpers will attack anything possible. They all just need to calm down and realize not many people enjoy hearing them speak. I have seen full frontal nudity on a Lufthansa flight before.... The Swimming Pool or a movie named like that. Never heard anyone complain about it. So many Americans are so uptight these days and it really angeres me now.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 4):
It's always funny how the eyes of the easily offended seem to wander around more than those of the regular passenger...

Alleluia! If you're easily offended, don't stare at your neighbor's screen until you become so.

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 8):
All that nudity and sex takes screen time away from the violence and death we currently raise our children on.

"Mmmhmmm... I'm gunna get me 3 shotguns at Wal-mart." Those are also in the view of children, but Jerry Falwell didn't b*tch about that.

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):
Is there nothing left that is sacred with some of you anymore?

Yes, sexuality is sacred. It should be respected, not feared.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 3:49 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
Yes, but thats not LA. I spent my time growing up in West LA and Hollywood. The areas you mention are completely different.

As a student of Palisades high, I'd like to represent us in the Los Angeles area. We are, in fact, part of Los Angeles. Not that that de-values your post or anything. It may not be "the idealistic LA", but its still a part of LA. The Palisades that is. Malibu is its own city, and its own mess.

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 26):
I have seen full frontal nudity on a Lufthansa flight before.... The Swimming Pool or a movie named like that. Never heard anyone complain about it. So many Americans are so uptight these days and it really angeres me now.

I think its because most americans aren't proud of there obese bodies, so they just say, if i can't look good naked, i don't want to look at those who do look good because envy those who do look good in the nude. I think thats the core of the issue

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 3:58 pm

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):
This picture was not shown on private individual screens- It was shown on the overhead public screens.

Was it, or are we just going on what the article says? Its always to take right-wing propaganda with a grain of salt. But if it was the case then it has to have been an error (as Dutchjet pointed out) in which case it can easily be rectified.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 25):
The moral issues aside, which clearly escape 99% of you

There shouldnt even be moral issues. In the grand scheme of things airline movie moral decay should be the last thing on anyones mind. If an inappropriate movie was shown on the overhead, it shouldnt have been. But as far a PTV's most everything should be game. Dont watch it if you dont want to.

And oh yeah, Im in the 99% of people who dont give a S**t about moral decay or moral issues.

Quoting SRQCrosscheck (Reply 27):
Yes, sexuality is sacred. It should be respected, not feared.

Absolutely. Sex is somthing beautiful and a part of nature. Its about love and its not something dirty or ugly. If people would quit teaching their children that Sex is evil, maybe this wouldnt be an issue.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 22):
i remember passenger complaining about showing brokebck mountain. god forbid anyone selecting a film tht shows two boys in kissing!

I saw Brokeback mountain on NZ 5 from LAX-AKL. I though it was a great movie. It has valuble lessons in it. I didnt see any New Zealanders getting up in arms about it.

Quoting SRQCrosscheck (Reply 27):
"Mmmhmmm... I'm gunna get me 3 shotguns at Wal-mart." Those are also in the view of children, but Jerry Falwell didn't b*tch about that.

Welcome the the hypocrisy of our democracy. Sex is evil and guns are wonderful.

Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 19):
PS. F**K AUTHORITY!!!

Hell yeah!!! Thats how we do it in LA baby!!!! (That was one of the better Pennywise songs, wasnt it?)
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 4:24 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 29):

Hell yeah!!! Thats how we do it in LA baby!!!! (That was one of the better Pennywise songs, wasnt it?)

yes, yes it was.

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
Interesting email I received from "Special Guests.com," which is a booking service for speakers to get on radio/television shows, etc. etc.

Interesting mission statement they have:

"Our Mission at Special Guests: To obey God as He leads us in matching Judeo-Christian guests with talk show hosts to disseminate vital information that ministers to the physical and spiritual well being of listeners and viewers."
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 6:00 pm

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):
This picture was not shown on private individual screens- It was shown on the overhead public screens.

I have serious doubts that this actually happened. And if it did, as someone else has already pointed out, it was obviously some kind of mistake.

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):
The interesting thing that I find though - Some of you were up in arms when VS was showing the film about 9/11 on their aircrafts. Yet you think there is nothing wrong with showing stimulated sex scenes to kids.

Amazing isn't it. Some people actually think that seeing violence is more harmful to children than seeing sex.

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):
I disagree ! And I really have to wonder about some of you at times. Is there nothing left that is sacred with some of you anymore?

Yes, people's right to choose what type of entertainment they want to watch is sacred to me.

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 25):
The moral issues aside, which clearly escape 99% of you,

It has escaped me. Like I said, I really doubt that it was shown on the overhead monitors at all, and certainly not on purpose. And I don't see the immorality of someone watching what they choose.

Quoting SRQCrosscheck (Reply 27):
Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 4):
It's always funny how the eyes of the easily offended seem to wander around more than those of the regular passenger...

Alleluia! If you're easily offended, don't stare at your neighbor's screen until you become so.

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Quoting SRQCrosscheck (Reply 27):
Yes, sexuality is sacred. It should be respected, not feared.

 yes 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 6:15 pm

Quoting DL4EVR (Reply 2):
Yeah, exactly how does this differ from someone watching a similar show or movie on their laptop? Would you like Delta to establish a rule that you can only bring G rated programming on board?


I assume that MIM is Christian affiliated.

I'm all for morality and decency, but this is ultimately a free country and we can't dictate to people what to watch in their private time. Furthermore, where will this censorship end? Life is a heck of a lot more X-rated than anything on they can show on TV... are these censorship fanatics going to pull a "Family Guy FCC" on us once they've dumbed everything down on TV?

If Christians want to know why they are widely disliked by the secular public, it's because of stunts like these. No one wants to be bullied into leading a life someone else thinks is best for you.

I think it's up to the individual whether he/she wants to live a moral life, but far be it for any individual to force that life upon another.

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 6:24 pm

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 32):
Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14):This picture was not shown on private individual screens- It was shown on the overhead public screens.

I have serious doubts that this actually happened. And if it did, as someone else has already pointed out, it was obviously some kind of mistake.

According to Delta themselves, that's exactly what it was, a mistake.

Quoting http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/In_Flight_Nudity.html:

ATLANTA — A media watchdog group is criticizing Delta Air Lines for making the bloody HBO series "Rome" and other bawdy shows available for in-flight viewing after a passenger complained that children could see nudity and sex scenes.

Billy Ford, vice president of a Georgia chemical company, said the shows were aired on overhead movie screens during a May 6 flight from Atlanta to Dusseldorf, Germany. He complained after watching three scenes of nudity or sex on "Rome" and another on "Da Ali G Show."

"I was really upset," said Ford, 46, of Acworth, about 35 miles northwest of Atlanta. "I demanded to see the captain."

Delta officials say the programs were intended as an option for viewing on private screens in the back of the airplane's seat and were shown on the public overhead screens by mistake.

"As soon as our flight attendants became aware it was being shown, it was cut off and we made an immediate apology to passengers," said Betsy Talton, a spokeswoman for Atlanta-based Delta.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 7:30 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 29):
And oh yeah, Im in the 99% of people who dont give a S**t about moral decay or moral issues.

You seem to have thoroughly mastered the obvious. Congratulations.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 29):
Sex is somthing beautiful and a part of nature.

Reproduction is part of nature, what you are talking about is not.....that is a human creation.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 29):
If people would quit teaching their children that Sex is evil, maybe this wouldnt be an issue.

If people would quit teaching their kids (and mine) about sex, this wouldn't be an issue at all. The concept of sexual thought and action is already inside all of us, and awakens at the time of maturity. My issue is that some, you included, would rather instruct our youth long before it's time.



50 years ago, one would only hear this kind of talk by the majority of people while inside a brothel.
25 years ago, one would only hear this kind of talk by the majority of people while inside a sleazy bar.
Today, we hear it on the world's preeminant airliner website (visited often by children).
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 7:36 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
I am not convinced that ROME was shown on the cabin monitors, and if it was, its was clearly an error by the cabin crew (not sure how that would happen) and a mistake. As I stated above, I have no problem with a show like ROME available as a choice on the PTV system, but I agree it is a bit graphic for viewing on the general cabin wide entertainment system.

I, and others, suspected that ROME coming up on the cabin screens was an error.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 34):
According to Delta themselves, that's exactly what it was, a mistake.

Thanks AeroWesty for finding out what acutally happened......mistakes do happen from time to time, especially with new IFE systems being installed in many airplanes, the F/A's simply set up the system incorrectly and the wrong programming appeared on the main screens. Sadly, it offended some passengers......it interesting, the clip cited did not mention anything about the offended passenger travelling with children?
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 8:48 pm

I hope they continue screaming about Rome. Bad publicity is free publicity. Rome got cancelled (season 3) because of low ratings and because it is too expensive to produce. If people can hear more about it, and get intrigued by the sex scenes, then maybe HBO can revive it. Rome is the only reason I kept HBO. It is an amazing show because of the drama, the great effort ($$) to make it historically accurate and it is very visually entertaining.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 8:53 pm

Is it any wonder that the only one on this forum who seems to support the MIM's position is from the same city where another 'moral' person is from? That other 'moral' person has sent thousands of GIs to their deaths in order for he and his cronies to profit from a war that should never have been started in the first place. MIM should be highlighting the morals of THAT person, not Delta's programming choice/error.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Sun May 27, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
Robert Peters, President of Morality in Media

In the year 2007 we still need someone to tell us what we can and cannot view?

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
Delta's outrageous affront to decency and their blatant subjection of children to graphic nude scenes.

"Outrageous".. Perhaps this would boil down to parents making sure that there children weren't watching the program. Or in the turn of the coin why is it that the U.S. is starting to sound like some "other" countries with controlled media and content. After all isn't the US the porn capitol of the World?  bigthumbsup 

Quoting STLGph (Thread starter):
Morality In Media (MIM) works through constitutional means to curb traffic in illegal obscenity

"Morality", "Constitutional"... Are we back in Philadelphia, or are we in Plymouth?

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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 12:49 am

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 37):
I hope they continue screaming about Rome. Bad publicity is free publicity. Rome got cancelled (season 3) because of low ratings and because it is too expensive to produce. If people can hear more about it, and get intrigued by the sex scenes, then maybe HBO can revive it. Rome is the only reason I kept HBO. It is an amazing show because of the drama, the great effort ($$) to make it historically accurate and it is very visually entertaining.

Agreed! Regarding censorship of IFE to be PC, how do you do the same for passengers watching their own DVD's. Someone near me on a flight was watching DVD's of Rome on his laptop in all of it's nude glory. Are FA's to monitor personal DVD player content and enforce PC standards?
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 1:00 am

After a bit of though I am editing this post because I posted it while angry. I should have told the mods about the problem I had.

Back on topic, if the movies are on private screens I really do not see what is the big deal. I don't know about everyone else, but I am really, really sick of the word "offend". It seems like everyone is offended by something and they feel the need to push those views on someone else. I actually had a woman ask me to put a cigarette out because the smoke was bothering her and we were outside at the beach! She came into the same area where I was sitting enjoying my book and smoke, sat down and told me to put it out! (BTW I quit two years ago and I would never ask someone to put it out outside)

I say as long as it is not on the main screens Delta should show the movies that people are going to buy. If there is not a solid demand for "Rome" then it will be pulled from the line up. If you are offended by these things you have two options.

1. DO NOT LOOK AT THE PRIVATE SCREEN OF SOMEONE ELSE! 
2. FLY ANOTHER AIRLINE! (There are lots of them and you do have a choice. Maybe WN would work, no IFE there and I'm sure WN would be more than happy to take their money) 

Have a great day everyone!

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[Edited 2007-05-27 18:02:35]
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 1:36 am

Honestly, Mr. Peters needs to mind his own business and get a life.

While I agree that perhaps the content should not have been on the public monitors, there is absolutely nothing wrong with showing on PTV's. It is really none of his business what I choose to watch or not watch on a personal screen.

Sometimes the biggest offenders protest the loudest......food for thought?
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 38):
That other 'moral' person has sent thousands of GIs to their deaths in order for he and his cronies to profit from a war that should never have been started in the first place. MIM should be highlighting the morals of THAT person, not Delta's programming choice/error.

Is it any small wonder that hes not considered immoral for lying about an issue that got thousands of people killed, but the Christian-Right (not the Right Christian) gets up in arms because a suggestive sexual scene gets shown on an airplane. Its a horrible double standard. War Crimes are perfectly moral but God forbid that an underage kid might see a suggestive scene on an airplane.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 36):
mistakes do happen from time to time, especially with new IFE systems being installed in many airplanes, the F/A's simply set up the system incorrectly and the wrong programming appeared on the main screens. Sadly, it offended some passengers......it interesting, the clip cited did not mention anything about the offended passenger travelling with children?

Yes they do, this really issue isnt anything to go to the courts about.

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 32):
Amazing isn't it. Some people actually think that seeing violence is more harmful to children than seeing sex.

Yeah imagine that.  Yeah sure
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 36):
the clip cited did not mention anything about the offended passenger travelling with children?

That's right, it doesn't. The MIM group is worried about:

"Peters said that children could order the adult-themed programming if they are seated away from their parents or if the adults are sleeping or not paying attention. They also could be exposed to them by neighbors."

So they want no one to see anything above a G-rating while on an airplane, I guess, instead of promoting responsible parenting.
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 38):
Is it any wonder that the only one on this forum who seems to support the MIM's position is from the same city where another 'moral' person is from? That other 'moral' person has sent thousands of GIs to their deaths in order for he and his cronies to profit from a war that should never have been started in the first place. MIM should be highlighting the morals of THAT person, not Delta's programming choice/error.

I was reluctant to return here, as I clearly do not fit the current status quo of this thread (or this country, or world for that matter). But I must clear the air over this ignorant reply. This person you are talking about is NOT from Austin, Texas, you simpleton. He is from Kennebunkport Maine. He is no cowboy, he is no Christian, and he certainly isn't moral. I guess that kinda puts him in your camp, doesn't it?


I think you can watch whatever you want to watch.....it IS a free country. However you are not free to view explicit material where a youngster might have a chance to see it. Can't you people understand that? If you wish to view this garbage in public, you should be responsible enough to wear some form of glasses where the images are projected onto the inside of the lenses and the audio is fed directly to private earpieces.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 45):
However you are not free to view explicit material where a youngster might have a chance to see it. Can't you people understand that?

If it was obscene, it wouldn't be allowed anywhere in public view. Do a search of the forum archives, and you'll find airlines in Europe with "Playboy" in the magazine rack. Is that any more dangerous than "Rome"? Hell, I read "Playboy" in the barber shop when I was 10, and look how I turned out.

Oh wait, maybe you have a point ...  Wink
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 46):
Hell, I read "Playboy" in the barber shop when I was 10, and look how I turned out.

Appreciate your tempered and humourous viewpoint Westy. You're a classy guy.  Smile

I also read the same mag when I was younger, and look how I turned out. Since we cannot be sure what longterm effect will come from underage viewing of adult material....it is best to keep the young ones shielded from it the best we can.
 
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RE: Delta Air Lines' IFE Draws Criticisms

Mon May 28, 2007 6:31 am

Funny how these folks aren't saying a damn word about the fact that most airports, one can buy reading material that is much more explicit than anything from HBO shown on DL's IFE system.

The IFE programing in question accidentally ended up on the main screen in the coach cabin. That sort of thing happens. I remember on my recent flight from LAS to ATL, right before the movie I watched, a screen appeared saying something to the effect of "This film is intended for viewing in the premium cabin. If you are seeing this screen in the main cabin, please notify a flight attendant immediately."

With the AVOD type of IFE system, there is the ability to have channels locked out at individual units if requested by the passenger to the F/As.

If this folks don't want to have to worry about "offensive" IFE content, then perhaps they ought to fly only on airlines who have a limited IFE or none at all.

Perhaps airlines need to install (if they don't have it already) those privacy screens people get for their laptops.


Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 5):
Agreed...But our PTV screens at Qantas cannot be viewed from the sides...you can only see whats showing on the screen if you are face to face with the screen.

Are Delta's different?

Not sure about the seatback ones, but the ones in domestic first/BusinessElite can be if angled a certain way, especially the left hand seat in the pair. I was on a flight ATL-LAS and the angle the person sitting next to me had their PTV, I could see their movie fairly clearly.

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