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When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Sun May 27, 2007 6:33 am

I was wondering when (if) we might expect to see LAX-GRU on TAM. I know they just reacently announced a codeshare with UA. This will be great especially for people continueing on to HKG or NRT on UA. Not to mention a possible codeshare with NH to NRT. Currently there is no nonstop from GRU to the west coast. RG seemed to have problems makeing the route work with the tag-on. Perhaps TAM's approach could be better by letting other airlines continue on with a codeshare to Asia.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Sun May 27, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Thread starter):
I was wondering when (if) we might expect to see LAX-GRU on TAM.

You can expect this flight to be announced later this year.
TAM for sure is waiting for the FRA authorization, but without 7 weekly frequencies, i believe that LAX will become an option in order they can use 1 of the 5 planes (3 A332 + 2 A345) they should receive during the next 5/7 months.

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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Sun May 27, 2007 10:45 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1):
You can expect this flight to be announced later this year.
TAM for sure is waiting for the FRA authorization, but without 7 weekly frequencies, i believe that LAX will become an option in order they can use 1 of the 5 planes (3 A332 + 2 A345) they should receive during the next 5/7 months.

as they will get the A345, wouldnt be a GRU-Australia route a big money maker if the would start the route with the A345???
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Sun May 27, 2007 3:29 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
as they will get the A345, wouldnt be a GRU-Australia route a big money maker if the would start the route with the A345???

I don't think so Avianca. A route to Australia will rely basically on students, tourists and connections to southeast Asia. Brazil-Australia links nowadays aren't that big to justify a flight. This is also because we see better opportunities like LAX, BCN and other markets to which a direct link with Brazil would make more profits without undermining Australian market.

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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Sun May 27, 2007 5:39 pm

Werent Ocean Air interested in the route via Bogota?
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Sun May 27, 2007 6:04 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
Werent Ocean Air interested in the route via Bogota?

Yes, they still are and have the rights to operate it. I understand that sometime round September is when we can expect GRU-LAX, lthough the intermidiate stop is not clear yet. It might be MEX (that OceanAir starts in July). BOG is the ideal one for them, but in order to be able to have traffic rights, a revision in the bilateral between Colombia and Brasil is required, as Varig currently have all available rights.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 5):
Yes, they still are and have the rights to operate it. I understand that sometime round September is when we can expect GRU-LAX, lthough the intermidiate stop is not clear yet. It might be MEX (that OceanAir starts in July). BOG is the ideal one for them, but in order to be able to have traffic rights, a revision in the bilateral between Colombia and Brasil is required, as Varig currently have all available rights.

If LAX-GRU happens, it will be one or the other. Ocean Air and TAM aren't both going to do it. Also, Mexico doesn't give out fifth freedom rights outside of extreme situations, so stopping Mexico would be pointless.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
If LAX-GRU happens, it will be one or the other. Ocean Air and TAM aren't both going to do it. Also, Mexico doesn't give out fifth freedom rights outside of extreme situations, so stopping Mexico would be pointless.

I would imagine that LAX-GRU would need to be nonstop, otherwise it seems rather pointless.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
If LAX-GRU happens, it will be one or the other. Ocean Air and TAM aren't both going to do it. Also, Mexico doesn't give out fifth freedom rights outside of extreme situations, so stopping Mexico would be pointless

Sure, it would be one or the other, and OceanAir have the route, so the'd better hurry to open it!
MEX as a stop was actually mentioned by the former CEO, Mr Ebner, as an alternative to" BOG in co-operation with AV", which to me would make a lot of sense! But whether they can work around the aviation authorities is another matter. Revision of the Brasil-Colombia bilateral would be required, but this is the season for them, so it could happen.

If they could have OceanAir metal doing GRU-BOG-LAX 3 times a week, AV would have some free capacity to use elsewhere.

AV actually used to operate LAX via MEX and even CUN at some point. I have no idea if they had traffic rights, or if it was just low demand that made it sensible to have a combined flight.

GRU-MEX is about a 12 hour flight, would a 763 be able to do it non-stop?
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
If they could have OceanAir metal doing GRU-BOG-LAX 3 times a week, AV would have some free capacity to use elsewhere.

isnt the BOG-LAX AV flight not to good booked in order to combine it??? as I heard the loads (also the cargo loads are very very good)
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):
AV actually used to operate LAX via MEX and even CUN at some point. I have no idea if they had traffic rights, or if it was just low demand that made it sensible to have a combined flight.

They didn't have traffic rights, at least not when the route ended.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):

GRU-MEX is about a 12 hour flight, would a 763 be able to do it non-stop?

Yes, easily. Though it isn' 12 hours at all. It is 9.5 hours.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8):

GRU-MEX is about a 12 hour flight, would a 763 be able to do it non-stop?


Yes, easily. Though it isn' 12 hours at all. It is 9.5 hours.

Sorry, I meant GRU-LAX, and hence the question as to whether the 763 could do it non-stop
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 11):
Sorry, I meant GRU-LAX, and hence the question as to whether the 763 could do it non-stop

Yes, it can. 763s have done longer routes, like YYZ-NRT.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 11:40 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Mexico doesn't give out fifth freedom rights outside of extreme situations, so stopping Mexico would be pointless.

Especially when it comes to destinations in the U.S. because of our 2-or-3-carriers-from-each-country-in-a-specific-city-pair clause in the bilateral. See what happened to MH and its MEX-LAX-TPE-KUL flights. MH was stealing lots of pax from AM, MX, DL and UA, so the Mexican government (trying to protect AM and MX) terminated MH's fifth freedom rights.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 3:10 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 11):
Sorry, I meant GRU-LAX, and hence the question as to whether the 763 could do it non-stop

For a brief period prior to 9/11, Varig was up to two daily LAX services.. morning MD-11 which continued to NRT or NGO and a late afternoon/early evening 763 flight. So the type can definately handle the route (with minimal cargo).
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):

For a brief period prior to 9/11, Varig was up to two daily LAX services.. morning MD-11 which continued to NRT or NGO and a late afternoon/early evening 763 flight. So the type can definately handle the route (with minimal cargo).

The second flight was from Lima, not Sao Paulo. That flight was license to lose money for the short time it lasted.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 3:31 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
For a brief period prior to 9/11, Varig was up to two daily LAX services.. morning MD-11 which continued to NRT or NGO and a late afternoon/early evening 763 flight. So the type can definately handle the route (with minimal cargo).

LAX can definately handle a nonstop flight to GRU. My guess is that TAM will come in at some point in the next year to 18 months or so. They are codesharing with UA which should help a bit. With LAX-HKG coming back, LAX could serve as a transfer point to both NRT and HKG.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 7:40 pm

I guess that OceanAir would be interested in moving cargo as well as people, since they have said there would be a stop.

Their delayed start to international operations makes me worry. There does not seem to be a clear strategy. I wonder if they should sort out their domestic operation before embarking on international expansion. If anything, having a daily to BOG to make for good connections with AV. That 767, and the one allegedly coming in July, could be used to boosts routes out of BOG instead.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 11):
Sorry, I meant GRU-LAX, and hence the question as to whether the 763 could do it non-stop

See Below. Varig operated LAX-GRU nonstop in 2001 with the 767-300. The 767-300 has the legs. Look for example at the fact that AZ operated SFO-MXP with the equipment. That flight on AZ was nearly 12 hours eastbound, and 13 westbound.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
The second flight was from Lima, not Sao Paulo

That you may want to re-check. In 2001 Varig was doing a number of interesting things with its Los Angeles schedule. There was a mid-day departure on a 767-200 on a routing LAX-LIM-GRU. There was a 2pm departure on a MD-11 on a routing LAX-GRU-GIG. As well as a 8pm departure on a 767-300 nonstop LAX-GRU-GIG. They may have not all operated at the same time, but I clearly remember these flights being operated at sometime or another in 2001. The 767-300 was an additional segment used from December 2000? to March 2001?.

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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Mon May 28, 2007 11:18 pm

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 18):
See Below. Varig operated LAX-GRU nonstop in 2001 with the 767-300. The 767-300 has the legs. Look for example at the fact that AZ operated SFO-MXP with the equipment. That flight on AZ was nearly 12 hours eastbound, and 13 westbound.

That has been clear from a few replies back. The point is how much cargo can they carry.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 18):
As well as a 8pm departure on a 767-300 nonstop LAX-GRU-GIG. They may have not all operated at the same time, but I clearly remember these flights being operated at sometime or another in 2001.

 checkmark  Thanks for the back-up.

I also clearly remember the flights for two reasons.. 1) it was always parked down at the remotes, and 2) cargo used to be bumped all the time due to payload restrictions as it was nonstop to Brazil.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 1:27 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
1) it was always parked down at the remotes

I remember a few more things about them as well.      

As you clearly stated the GRU-LIM-LAX 767-200 service was indeed parked at the remote gates. I remember the first time I saw that flight, I was perplexed. I was thinking why is an RG 762 sitting here at the remote gates. A colleague of mine said that RG had a new service with the small 767-200 on GRU-LIM-LAX. He said he didn't expect it to last long, but the main reason was to tap into the Peruvian to Japanese market connecting in LAX to the VARIG GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT/NGO service. The flight would arrive at about 9am, and depart at about 115pm.



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As you will see the routing on this 767-200 was GRU-LIM-LAX

The other thing was about the late evening LAX-GRU-GIG service operated with the 767-300, that flight always operated out of the same gate as LAX, this I am sure of because the gate rotations at LAX were AZ MD11 to MXP, then another aircraft, then RG 763 to GRU. The flight departed at 720pm or so in the evening. The return was a daylight flight from GRU to LAX.

Of course at that time we were also seeing Korean 744 to GRU, and JAL 744 to GRU, VASP sadly had already left the Los Angeles market. Those were the days!

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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 2:26 am

I may be able to contribute to the discussion of RG's LAX schedule during Sum '00 - Sum '01. In a "past-life", one of my duites was compiling LAX passenger flight schedule info for LAX's contract interline baggage operation. Some of that old schedule info I've archived.

During Summer, 2000, RG operated two LAX-GRU (M11 eq) nonstops. RG837 departing 14:00, and RG841 departing 21:00. Both were planned to operate into the Winter '00/'01 schedule, with RG841 being bumped up by 1 hour.

Unfortunately, I do not have schedule info from the Oct. '00 time change through the Apr. '01 time change at my immediate avail.

The initial Summer, 2001 schedule, effective with the April time change, shows RG8837 (M11) departing 14:00, and RG8845 (B762) departing at 13:39 on a LAX-LIM-GRU-GIG routing. RG8845 operated through 9/11.

The 20:00 n/s with the 763 was instituted much later - after RG withdrew the LAX-NRT-LAX nonstops.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Aaway (Reply 22):
after RG withdrew the LAX-NRT-LAX nonstops.

The Tokyo servcie was not dropped until Jan 06 Varig Ceases NRT Ops; Begins MUC (by PPVRA Jan 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Had nothing to do with the pre 9/11 added 763 service, which basically served as the 2nd GRU flight supplementing the NRT MD-11 flight.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 23):
The Tokyo servcie was not dropped until Jan 06
Varig Ceases NRT Ops; Begins MUC (by PPVRA Jan 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Had nothing to do with the pre 9/11 added 763 service, which basically served as the 2nd GRU flight supplementing the NRT MD-11 flight.

I recall when RG dropped LAX-NRT-LAX, thank you. I'm calling into question these recollections of RG B763 service ex-LAX during 2001. If this a/c was regularly scheduled, then it must have been during the Feb - Apr period. Historically, RG had a sked change during February.

I'll confirm if I can find archived Winter '00/'01 LAX schedule info.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 4:09 am

From old Flyertalk posting I can determine that RG added the evening LAX-GRU nonstop on July 15th, 2000 coinciding as "Brazil celebrates its 500th anniversary of discovery", while LAX-LIM-GRU-GIG was resumed June 1st 2001. (was an old 707/DC-10 route since the 70s into 80s). Neither post makes mention of a/c types directly.


I've looked around a.net also. And seem to have found our answer  idea 

Varig Drops Sao Paolo-LAX-Nagoya Service (by Bkkair Dec 19 2003 in Civil Aviation) Reply 9 states;

Quote:
Until 2001 Varig operated two daily flights from Rio de Janeiro-Sao Paulo-Los Angeles. The first flight arrived at 8am on a MD-11, the second arrived at 6pm on a 767-300.
Also when the 767-300 second daily nonstop flight was cancelled. Varig opted for a 3 times weekly 767-200 Sao Paulo-Lima-Los Angeles. That service ended in mid 2002!

Reply 1 at Will Varig Pull Out Of LAX? (by Copacabana Nov 1 2003 in Civil Aviation)

Quote:
A few years ago, RG had two daily flights GRU-LAX with the second flight being operated by a 767 (first 762, later 763) and that flight just turned around at LAX; it didn't continue anywhere.

AND Finally... Varig 3 Daily GRU-LAX Non-stop (by Dellatorre Apr 25 2001 in Civil Aviation)

Quote:
Now RG has a total of 13 flights a week into LAX.
RG 8836 - GIG-GRU-LAX-NRT/ MD-11 4xweek
RG 8838 - GIG-GRU-LAX-NGO/ MD-11 3xweek
RG 8840 - GIG-GRU-LAX/ 767-300ER 6xweek

Hope this clarifies whether RG ever did GRU-LAX-GRU nonstop with 763s.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 4:48 am

This flight won't work connecting many passengers beyond LAX to the Orient because the US authorities force all Brazilians to have a visa for US transit. All the traffic is lost to carriers like AF that carry the traffic via Europe.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 26):
This flight won't work connecting many passengers beyond LAX to the Orient because the US authorities force all Brazilians to have a visa for US transit. All the traffic is lost to carriers like AF that carry the traffic via Europe.

Pax traffic to Asia from Brazil via the US (with 2001 rules for transit visa) is showing signs of strong recovery. JAL has excellent loads on its GRU-JFK-NRT while US carriers are taking many Brazilians to Asia (Japan) via the US, notably, AA via DFW, CO via IAH, UA via IAD/ORD, DL via ATL. This is why we can expect TAM to announce LAX-GRU as a future destination together with the announcement of an agreement ANA-TAM to connect pax from LAX to Japan. TAM strategy for LAX cannot be seen wihtout taking into account an agreement with ANA for pax connection to Japan via LAX.

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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 5:51 am

Japanese don't need a US visa to transit the US and many Brazilians that might use the flights already have one. the visa issue is not as big of a deal as some make it out to be. The US is the largest trade partner w/ Brazil and the largest destination outside of S. America.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 28):
Japanese don't need a US visa to transit the US and many Brazilians that might use the flights already have one. the visa issue is not as big of a deal as some make it out to be. The US is the largest trade partner w/ Brazil and the largest destination outside of S. America.

100% correct, especially if you refer to the high yielding pax. But there is no doubt as well that with the new US transit visa rule introduced in 2001 a substantive number of Brazilians are now travelling to Asia/Japan via Europe, especially CDG, LHR, FRA and AMS. Air Canada via YYZ and even South Africa via JNB also capture a share of this market. Even Air China started to operate PEK-GRU via MAD.

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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 27):
TAM strategy for LAX cannot be seen wihtout taking into account an agreement with ANA for pax connection to Japan via LAX.

UA flies to Tokyo from LAX, too. TAM and UA recently announced a codeshare agreement, so maybe LAX-NRT will be in TAM's future partnership with UA.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 6:21 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 28):
Japanese don't need a US visa to transit the US and many Brazilians that might use the flights already have one. the visa issue is not as big of a deal as some make it out to be. The US is the largest trade partner w/ Brazil and the largest destination outside of S. America.

Oh, I do have a visa and that does not stop me from swearing at the US government every time I have to renew it.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 7:28 am

JAL flights are likely full of Japanese who don't need visas. Brazilians have likely all moved to European flights.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 7:58 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 32):
JAL flights are likely full of Japanese who don't need visas. Brazilians have likely all moved to European flights.

Not really. Brazilians need visas, but for wealthy Brazilians who are flying these routes, it really isn't much of a problem. Many probably have extended visas in the first place.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
Many probably have extended visas in the first place.

What do you mean?
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
Not really. Brazilians need visas, but for wealthy Brazilians who are flying these routes, it really isn't much of a problem. Many probably have extended visas in the first place.

You are right. And the visa is not that big of a deal even for not so wealthy brazilians. Actually, the complaints about US visas made by brazilians is mostly because of the possible hassle and the long time spent during the process, especially when one is applying for his first visa ever, not because of visa denials.

The fact is that a lot of people applies for US visas in Brazil, everyday, and the consulates structure is just not enough. And I have to say that the process for renewing the visa is pretty simple, although not quick.



Quoting AF022 (Reply 32):
JAL flights are likely full of Japanese who don't need visas. Brazilians have likely all moved to European flights.

As for the JAL GRU-JFK-NRT flight, I can state that this flight is full of brazilians using the GRU-JFK leg as O&D. And part of the japanese passengers boarding are actually brazilian-japanese, still needing a visa to enter or transit US (they also need a visa for Japan, but a specific kind).

In case of brazilians flying to Japan, a passenger bypassing US and going via europe instead is just taking care of one part of the deal. The japanese visa requirements are as demanding as the american. The visa is valid for a short period of time and you even have to present a letter and further documents if you´re trying to apply for a multiple entries visa. My point is that someone able to get a japanese visa can get an american and vice versa.

That said, the japanese visa is issued in a few days while the american can take months. That can be one reason for a brazilian bypassing US and it would be very specific. Finally, there is also the situation of passengers from other south american countries using GRU as their departure point to Japan. These passengers have trouble getting american visas but are able to get japanese due to parenthood, so they must fly via europe.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 10:21 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 34):
What do you mean?

Some Visas last for an "x" period of time. You get a visa, and that visa is valid for all travel until it expires. You don't necessarily need to get a new visa everytime you leave Brazil.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 36):
Some Visas last for an "x" period of time. You get a visa, and that visa is valid for all travel until it expires. You don't necessarily need to get a new visa everytime you leave Brazil.

Why do you have to treat me like that? Have I done anything to you?
I was just asking, because I didn't understand if you were talking about renewed or extended visas. Nowadays B1/B2 visas are valid for five years, that's it. I'm not aware of the possibility of an extension, only renewal.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 37):

Why do you have to treat me like that? Have I done anything to you?
I was just asking, because I didn't understand if you were talking about renewed or extended visas. Nowadays B1/B2 visas are valid for five years, that's it. I'm not aware of the possibility of an extension, only renewal.

Treat you like what? You asked a question, I answered it. Why do you have to snap at me? I'm sorry if I misunderstood your question, but it obviously wasn't clear enough.
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 38):
Treat you like what? You asked a question, I answered it. Why do you have to snap at me? I'm sorry if I misunderstood your question, but it obviously wasn't clear enough.

Treat me like I a retard.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 36):
Some Visas last for an "x" period of time. You get a visa, and that visa is valid for all travel until it expires. You don't necessarily need to get a new visa everytime you leave Brazil.

I don't think anyone in this thread showed any signal of lack of knowledge concerning the concept of multiple-entry visas. I didn't understand what you meant by "extended visa", so I asked. I guess who wasn't clear enough in the first place was you. I apologize for snapping at you, but if my question wasn't clear enough, you could have asked me for clarification, just like I did to you.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 39):
Treat me like I a retard.



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 39):
I don't think anyone in this thread showed any signal of lack of knowledge concerning the concept of multiple-entry visas. I didn't understand what you meant by "extended visa", so I asked. I guess who wasn't clear enough in the first place was you. I apologize for snapping at you, but if my question wasn't clear enough, you could have asked me for clarification, just like I did to you.

I am new to this forum but I am really shocked by what you have said about MAH4546. He seems to know a lot about what he is talking about. I was reading what you wrote in the past few posts, and I read his posts back to you. He didnt say anything that was bad, or anything that seemed ill in your direction by any means. You asked a question and he was grateful enough to answer you.

Can we move on from this?? This is a great thread that a lot of us are interested in and would like to know more about!

-JD
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 40):
I am new to this forum but I am really shocked by what you have said about MAH4546. He seems to know a lot about what he is talking about.

Well, I never accused him of not knowing what he is talking about. I just felt that he was patronizing me and the fact that he just ignored what I had said before about the visas and tried to explain a trivial thing made me mad, since I had just asked him a simple question. MAH4546 may have a great participation in this forum, but he did not say much in this thread for you to know him that well. I can only assume you are impressed with his RR.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 3:25 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 41):

Well, I never accused him of not knowing what he is talking about. I just felt that he was patronizing me and the fact that he just ignored what I had said before about the visas and tried to explain a trivial thing made me mad, since I had just asked him a simple question. MAH4546 may have a great participation in this forum, but he did not say much in this thread for you to know him that well. I can only assume you are impressed with his RR.

I was in no way, shape, or form patronizing you. I obviously had no idea that you had a visa. I don't read every single post and memorize every detail. You asked a question, and I answered it. It was poorly worded on your part, but how was I supposed to know? I can't read your mind.

[Edited 2007-05-29 08:26:07]
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 5:14 pm

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 40):
I am new to this forum but I am really shocked by what you have said about MAH4546. He seems to know a lot about what he is talking about.

Agree.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
I was in no way, shape, or form patronizing you.

You were not patronising! Dont worry! Your posts are extremely relevant.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
Not really. Brazilians need visas, but for wealthy Brazilians who are flying these routes, it really isn't much of a problem. Many probably have extended visas in the first place.

This is correct. However, for those that have to apply for VISA or renewal a long waiting time is necessary: currently for residents of Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro the average waiting time for a VISA is more than 100 days. You can be sure that no business traveller will wait this time and will simply bypass the US by flying a route via YYZ or Europe.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 32):
JAL flights are likely full of Japanese who don't need visas. Brazilians have likely all moved to European flights.

JAL flights are full of Brazilians (you think that they are Japanese because they are second or third generation Japanese, but have Brazilian passport).

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 30):
UA flies to Tokyo from LAX, too. TAM and UA recently announced a codeshare agreement, so maybe LAX-NRT will be in TAM's future partnership with UA.

You have a point here.

In fact, ANA expressed interest is operating GRU with its own metal. Would the Brazil-Japan bilateral allow both JAL and ANA simultaneouly to operate to Brazil? And what would be the most likely route for ANA to fly to GRU (via LAX I assume)?

Rgs,
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Tue May 29, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 42):
I was in no way, shape, or form patronizing you. I obviously had no idea that you had a visa. I don't read every single post and memorize every detail. You asked a question, and I answered it. It was poorly worded on your part, but how was I supposed to know? I can't read your mind.

OK. Everything is settled.
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Wed May 30, 2007 2:18 am

Guys, after RG dropped LAX service last year there are some improvements that we may take a look and shows how is being possible a profitable LAX flight from Brazil.

- The agreement UA/JJ;
- The R$ (our currency) is now 20% stronger than last year, which means Brazilians are willing to travel more! (even to MIA and DFW, which means less seats for connections also);
- California is one of the states with stronger focus on bi-fuel, something that Brazil has a strong know-how;
- The Obvio! Deal : A car maker established in Duque de Caxias, RJ that will sell about 60,000 cars a year to California market (as well as spare parts);
- Audio-visual and related services trade between Brazil and California grow more than 100% during the past 12 months;
- Brazil is looking more for the West Coast, trade missions and others are underway;
- Brazil has selected Japanese HDTV standards which is producing a major number of business trips between Manaus factories and Japan;

Felipe
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Wed May 30, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 45):
- Brazil has selected Japanese HDTV standards which is producing a major number of business trips between Manaus factories and Japan;

Good reminder!
 
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RE: When Can We Expect LAX-GRU?

Wed May 30, 2007 12:24 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 45):
- The Obvio! Deal : A car maker established in Duque de Caxias, RJ that will sell about 60,000 cars a year to California market (as well as spare parts);

With all do respect Lipe, you might be in the financial industry and be up to date with many business prospects, but I'm in the auto industry (and being a journalist for the auto section of a major newspaper, I have plenty of inside info on the matter) and believe you me, the Obvio deal is just an amateuristic adventure and will NEVER materialise.

Also, the biofuel thing is good for both, but does not generate that much biz traffic. Even if CA is leading the US on alternative fuels, the traffic from such initiatives is more likely to be between GRU and IAD (research centers) and GRU and IAD (official and govt related).

There is sure many reasons to justify GRU-LAX, but the auto industry is not really relevant on this particular route.