AirAmericaC46
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Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Sun May 27, 2007 10:36 pm

Just stumbled into a timetable of Pan Am's R&R flights from Vietnam:

www.timetableimages.com/i-or/pa6812i.jpg

Anybody has info of type of aircraft used for each routes?
Any other R&R routes?

Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Sun May 27, 2007 10:48 pm

I would assume B707-321 from the date. Another R&R route for US forces was SGN-SYD which definately did use B707-321s.

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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Sun May 27, 2007 10:50 pm

In 1968 PA carried 710,867 GI's on these R&R flights. PA transferred two DC-6b's from the IGS service with seven crews to Hong Kong, and the fleet grew to more then a dozen ships along with 707's and 727's.

I have a pic of a DC-6b at Cam Rahn bay, and a 727-100 at Tan Son Nhut from "The Clipper Heritage" by Robert Levering, 1984.
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Sun May 27, 2007 11:07 pm

Thanks DTWClipper! So in what year did the 727-100 and 707 start R&R? What year did PA retire DC6B from R&R?
Thanks again.
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Sun May 27, 2007 11:19 pm

More:

By 3/67 13 DC-6b;s along with two 707's were operating, a year later all of the DC-6b's were replaced by jets.

In '66/'67 20 long haul a/c were in use as part of the operation.

As a side note, the DC-6's were configured in a "first class" configuration.

I don't know when the 727's were used.
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 4:17 am

It was quite traumatic for crews to operate these flights, the return flights back to the war. The soldiers' wives would fly from the US to meet their husbands in the R&R destination, have a week together, then the soldiers would return to Vietnam. Pilots in the cockpit, preparing for departure, could see straight into the departure lounge and watch these heartwrenching goodbyes, and know that some of the soldiers really would be killed (they'd see the coffins on the manifest every day). Even though transferred to a modern day, hi tech world, there is something primeval and universal about a man leaving his wife to go to fight - this was the same scene as had been played out over the millenia of human warfare.
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 10:54 am

As I recall, Pan Am also operated 747s on scheduled services to SGN until the war heated up to the point where it became too dangerous, but I'm not sure whether they also used 747s on R & R flights.
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 12:09 pm

I remember in the late '60's, early '70's the cabin announcements on UA from the mainland to HNL. They clearly stated that those meeting R&R flights should follow a certain routine. IIRC, there was even a special airfare to HNL for those meeting R&R. A lot of R&R personnel were at Fort DeRussy in Waikiki. All of the events in Waikiki always honored those R&R personnel. One of the biggest names honoring them was the late Don Ho. There were many tears in the audience when he and his female singer (usually Robin Wilson) would sing Kui Lee's "I'll Remember You." I'm sure many Vets will recall this moment - as well as those who loved them. A poignant Memorial Day thought. Aloha.

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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 12:44 pm

Interesting article re Pan Am's final services from Vietnam.
http://www.panam.org/cgi-bin/_textdi...splay=SAIGON&refer=66256275&call=M
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 1:01 pm

Quote:
Interesting article re Pan Am's final services from Vietnam.

The direct link doesn't work - it redirects you to the main page of Panam.org.

It's easy to navigate, though. It's under the first of four categories, "History" - there's a direct link to "Pan Am History", and then scroll down to "The Jet Age". From that article:

Quote:
In another humanitarian mission, 727s flew the famed Vietnam R&R airlift, carrying tens of thousands of American servicemen and women for R&R leaves in Hong Kong, Tokyo and other Asian points during that prolonged war. 727s departing Saigon took off at maximum climb angle to get out of range of small arms fire as quickly as possible but bullet holes were found in more than one aircraft.

Makes sense to have a high-climbout jet available...and after the story of the World Airways 727 Da Nang to Saigon, no doubts about their durability!!
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 1:01 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 1):
Another R&R route for US forces was SGN-SYD which definately did use B707-321s.

Yep. I was on one - it stopped in Darwin to kill an hour or so in order to get to Sydney after the morning curfew ended. The Sydneysiders were great hosts.
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 1:32 pm

I am surprised not to see Vietnam to U-Taphao flights in the timetable. Does anyone know whether PanAm or another carrier flew on this route as well? Pattaya wouldn't be what it is now if it weren't for the American R&R visitors...
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 2:54 pm

Interesting article re Pan Am's final services from Vietnam.
http://www.panam.org/cgi-bin/_textdi...splay=SAIGON&refer=66256275&call=M

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 9):
Quote:
Interesting article re Pan Am's final services from Vietnam.

The direct link doesn't work - it redirects you to the main page of Panam.org.

It's easy to navigate, though. It's under the first of four categories, "History" - there's a direct link to "Pan Am History", and then scroll down to "The Jet Age". From that article:

Thanks for that info. I should have tested the direct link myself. I show the links as "Historical" from the home page then "Memoirs". 2nd last item on that page.
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Mon May 28, 2007 4:14 pm

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
Anybody has info of type of aircraft used for each routes?
Any other R&R routes?

Why did they operate from PEN and KUL to SGN a few times? Did GIs do beach holidays in PEN or what could have been the reason to operate such a flight?

Another question, did PanAm always operate under the flight number P000?
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Tue May 29, 2007 11:44 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
Just stumbled into a timetable of Pan Am's R&R flights from Vietnam:

The subject of the Vietnam R&R flights is interesting to me..

In addition to PanAm, what other carriers participated in the R&R flights programs..?
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Tue May 29, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 10):

Yep. I was on one - it stopped in Darwin to kill an hour or so in order to get to Sydney after the morning curfew ended. The Sydneysiders were great hosts.

Is that sarcastic (as in they wouldn't even lift the curfew for us) or serious? I'll assume the latter. DRW does seem like a logical fuel stop, being halfway to SYD.

Quoting Levent (Reply 11):
Pattaya wouldn't be what it is now if it weren't for the American R&R visitors...

Let's just say walking down the street there as a lone white dude was an interesting experience (during the middle of the day in 200x). No, I did not take advantage of any of the services offered.
 
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RE: Pan Am Vietnam R&R Flights Question

Tue May 29, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting Analog (Reply 15):
Is that sarcastic (as in they wouldn't even lift the curfew for us) or serious? I'll assume the latter. DRW does seem like a logical fuel stop, being halfway to SYD.

Purely factual. Since the Army spent a couple of hours billeting and processing arriving people in Sydney, arriving at 4 in the morning would only have meant waiting around anyway. Saigon-Sydney is about 3700nm, so fuel shouldn't have been an issue. I cannot remember whether the return flight included the Darwin stop.

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