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New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 1:57 am

OK -
Dont kill me if you book a flight from what I say and it turns out to be wrong but:
Apparently the first new 772er that LY is scheduled to recieve mid July - 4x - ECE - will operate LY027/028 and LY315/316 from July 29.

It will fly to EWR starting on the LY027 departing on July 29 and will operate the flight every other day. (you can check website to see that in that time period, 777 and 744 alternate each day to operate 027/028)

Since LY028 arrives in the morning, it will operate LY315/316 to LHR and return in time to fly LY027.

EXAMPLE:
29Jul EWR 14:30 TLV 08:05 +1 LY 028 NO FCY 777
30Jul TLV 10:15 LHR 13:35 LY 315 NO FCY 777
30Jul LHR 15:35 TLV 22:20 LY 316 NO FCY 777
31Jul TLV 00:05 EWR 05:05 LY 027 NO FCY 777

NO ROOM FOR MISTAKE/DELAY.

[Edited 2007-05-27 19:10:50]
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 2:18 am

BTW - It will have the new interior with new seats and AVOD.

2 rows of First with 8 seats, one less C class and one less Y class.

Flat seats in F and C.
Large LCD in Y,
I think with portable Entertainment system in C and F.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 3:01 am

Will they fly to CDG?
I am going to TLV this summer, do you have a chance to fly one of them?
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 3:35 am

This is definitely good news. Does LY have any plans for the 787?

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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 4:28 am

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
29Jul EWR 14:30 TLV 08:05 +1 LY 028 NO FCY 777



Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
31Jul TLV 00:05 EWR 05:05 LY 027 NO FCY 777

Wouldn't it make sense to have a tighter turnaround at EWR and have the dead time be at TLV?
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Wouldn't it make sense to have a tighter turnaround at EWR and have the dead time be at TLV?

The scheduling wouldn't make any sense. During the first one or 2 months the aircraft will anyway not need any maintanance besides regular ground checks. I am sure they'll use the time wisely in EWR to clean the aircraft extensively etc. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it's done in TLV or anywhere else, just when it comes to Maintanance it would.

Quoting Amirs (Reply 1):
2 rows of First with 8 seats, one less C class and one less Y class.

When is the 2nd new 772 xpected with LY? One less seat in C and Y doesn't make sense. If F will use up more space C must do so as well with their new seats and there would need to be a reduction of a couple of Y class rows or smaller C class??? Will the rest of the 772 fleet and 747's also receive AVOD or only the simmilar seats?
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
One less seat in C and Y doesn't make sense. If F will use up more space C must do so as well with their new seats and there would need to be a reduction of a couple of Y class rows or smaller C class??? Will the rest of the 772 fleet and 747's also receive AVOD or only the simmilar seats?

I think he meant one less ROW in C and one less ROW in Y. Personally, I think that removing one row from C is a really major mistake, as the C cabin is nearly always full, and this will reduce revenues significantly (a whole row of C is a lot of money ...).
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 5:32 am

Its very very rare that one aircraft continuously flies the same pattern for an entire month.......what about maintainance schedules for this airplane and the others 777s in the EL AL fleet? In addition, a factory new airplane is usually not agressively scheduled during the first weeks of operation until the airplane is ""broken-in""........the new AVOD system alone, for example, will require a lot of attention by the tech staff.

Its great that EL AL is getting another 772ER, but its unlikely that 4X-ECE will be at EWR every other day starting mid July.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 5:37 am

Quoting Jycarlisle (Reply 3):
This is definitely good news. Does LY have any plans for the 787?

Thats the million dollar question - No offcial word, speculation for over a year now. Latest is that they plan to lease 5 - 6 a/c from 2011 - 2015.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
When is the 2nd new 772 xpected with LY?

mid August.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
Will the rest of the 772 fleet and 747's also receive AVOD or only the simmilar seats?

the rest of the 777 and 744 wil get the new flat seats in C and F. I am not sure about the AVOD. I think the current 777/744 have a system that can offer older generation AVOD. Not sure what will be of them. LY states they will have the latest technology for an Entertainment system in the skies.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting Mikebg (Reply 6):
I think he meant one less ROW in C and one less ROW in Y

yes one less ROW not seat, thanks.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Its great that EL AL is getting another 772ER, but its unlikely that 4X-ECE will be at EWR every other day starting mid July.

I didnt say they will 4X-ECE will be in EWR from mid july, its joining the fleet in mid Huly but will be in EWR from end of JULY - July 29.

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
4x - ECE - will operate LY027/028 and LY315/316 from July 29.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 5:45 am

There are some mistakes here....

1st of all, LY is moving to a new configuration on all 777s.
These will be 12F/35C/232Y Vs. current 6F/40C/237Y.

New configured 777s will be shown in the systems as 772.

The 1st new 777, ECE, is already scheduled for flights in August, but, this is not final.
For the moment, ECE's flights are shown as 777 but will be changed in the near future to 772.

6th 777 will be delivered in the end of August.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
There are some mistakes here....



Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
1st of all, LY is moving to a new configuration on all 777s.

No one said otherwise - i said all 777 and 744 will get new seats in F and C. They will keep the current Y class seats with new configuration.

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
These will be 12F/35C/232Y Vs. current 6F/40C/237Y.

I am not sure you are right about the configuration.
I have heard from more than one source there will be two rows of F class, but with total 8 seats - 4 seats in each row.
We will wait and see.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 4:44 pm

LY should put new Y seats on their 744s because they really look old and tired
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 4:44 pm

Quoting Amirs (Reply 8):
think the current 777/744 have a system that can offer older generation AVOD. Not sure what will be of them. LY states they will have the latest technology for an Entertainment system in the skies.

Sorrz Amirs was confused if you meant rows or seats, but this is clarified now  Wink . The 744's as far as I know never got an upgrade and still have one of the very first PTV systems that were on the market from 1994, so they better change that. Regarding the older 772's when judging their remotes it must be a Masushita system that is used by various airlines including SQ on their older 772's however the system was never made interactive. Gues they would need to upgrade it or change it completely to get it to be AVOD, let's see.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Mon May 28, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 13):
Sorrz Amirs was confused if you meant rows or seats, but this is clarified now . The 744's as far as I know never got an upgrade and still have one of the very first PTV systems that were on the market from 1994, so they better change that. Regarding the older 772's when judging their remotes it must be a Masushita system that is used by various airlines including SQ on their older 772's however the system was never made interactive. Gues they would need to upgrade it or change it completely to get it to be AVOD, let's see.

100 % correct.
Though the actual PTV were not changed in the 744, I think they installed the same system like in 777.
I know they did something with one of the inflight service systems.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 14):
100 % correct.
Though the actual PTV were not changed in the 744, I think they installed the same system like in 777.
I know they did something with one of the inflight service systems.

Oh ok, I see. Do you know by when the entire 744 and 772 fleet will be upgraded with the new seats? Would be cool if they would also change the overhead bins etc with the new desings found in the last 744s produced that looks simmilar to the 777's. As far as I know LY did put in some kind of lie flat seats in it's 767's both 200ER and 300's so there nothing will change?
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 1:37 am

Why isn't LY deploying its new 777s on the MIA route? Is there not enough demand for larger aircraft on this route? Ordinarily, wouldn't it be more cost efficient to send the 777, rather than an old 762, on nonstop flights between TLV and MIA?
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):
Oh ok, I see. Do you know by when the entire 744 and 772 fleet will be upgraded with the new seats?

According to LY they should ahve the new seats in all 77 and 744 by Spring 2008. Another 8 a/c - Probably 1 a month

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):
As far as I know LY did put in some kind of lie flat seats in it's 767's both 200ER and 300's so there nothing will change?

Yeah those seats are new, actually the C class in 777 is getting the similiar seat but with much more features and better pitch.
In the 762/763 the pitch is 60' and in the 777 I think they will be 62 or 63.





767 seat

[Edited 2007-05-28 19:08:07]
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 17):

Thanks for the info Amirs
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 11):
Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
These will be 12F/35C/232Y Vs. current 6F/40C/237Y.

I am not sure you are right about the configuration.
I have heard from more than one source there will be two rows of F class, but with total 8 seats - 4 seats in each row.
We will wait and see.

I dont know where you got this info, but 12F is the number (and it would make sense after LY will publish the new F/cl fares).

Quoting LY777 (Reply 12):
LY should put new Y seats on their 744s because they really look old and tired

I agree with you, but there are no plans at LY doing this AFAIK.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 16):
Why isn't LY deploying its new 777s on the MIA route? Is there not enough demand for larger aircraft on this route? Ordinarily, wouldn't it be more cost efficient to send the 777, rather than an old 762, on nonstop flights between TLV and MIA?

Its being considered but MIA is not that strong like people here think and may not justify a 777.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):
Do you know by when the entire 744 and 772 fleet will be upgraded with the new seats? Would be cool if they would also change the overhead bins etc with the new desings found in the last 744s produced that looks simmilar to the 777's. As far as I know LY did put in some kind of lie flat seats in it's 767's both 200ER and 300's so there nothing will change?

The entire 744 fleet is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2008, the 777 are due before summer 2008.
All is going to be according to planned C checks and seats & kits arrival at the airline.

C/cl on 777s & 744s, like Amir said, will be upgraded from 55" to 62" (and above) with Sicma seats and on 762 & 763 its 60" with Webber seats (EAA & EAB have 54" pitch in c/cl)
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 5:48 am

The C class of the 767s look really great, I love the big LCD screns and the El Al logo in silver...
Does LY intend to refurbish the 767 cabins?
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 5:56 am

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 19):

Its being considered but MIA is not that strong like people here think and may not justify a 777.

I don't know about yields, but El Al has the highest load factors of any airline at MIA. I doubt it is very efficient to send the 762 to MIA. It is probably a huge gas guzzler, and it is taking the aircraft to it's truest limits. MIA-TLV is one of the world's 25 longest non-stops, and the only one operated by a plane as old as the 762ER. There would be lots of cargo advantages and potential cost savings by sending the 772 to MIA when planes are available.

[Edited 2007-05-28 23:08:00]
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 19):
I agree with you, but there are no plans at LY doing this AFAIK.

Those seats are in since the aircraft were introduced to the fleet ELA,B,C since 1994 /1995 and on pics the seats look disasterous. This will also mean no new IFE at least not for Y as the seats / screens don't have any form of controls etc to offer it.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 6:38 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 19):

Its being considered but MIA is not that strong like people here think and may not justify a 777.

I don't know about yields, but El Al has the highest load factors of any airline at MIA. I doubt it is very efficient to send the 762 to MIA. It is probably a huge gas guzzler, and it is taking the aircraft to it's truest limits. MIA-TLV is one of the world's 25 longest non-stops, and the only one operated by a plane as old as the 762ER. There would be lots of cargo advantages and potential cost savings by sending the 772 to MIA when planes are available.

The yields are not great, also the class mix as LY has a relatively *small* C/cl cabin in the 762.
Cost saving with 777s? No way. A rotation by the 762 is much more cheaper than with 777s.
In oppose to the 4 early built 767-258, EAE & EAF are much more economical (with PW4060 engines).

LY's 762 are capable of caring cargo to and from MIA. Demand is the key here.

Anyway, I would vote for 777s to MIA, it just that the reality is a bit different but this should be considered.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Tue May 29, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 19):
The entire 744 fleet is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2008, the 777 are due before summer 2008.
All is going to be according to planned C checks and seats & kits arrival at the airline.

Another example of LY misleading the public ... according to this http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Ab...neral_items/He_NewsSeats020507.htm press release (in hebrew) they say that they they plan to refit all the reamaing a/c with the new seats by spring 2008.
Well I hope they dont have 2 different types of business class and firs class for a year and a half!!!
Come on they only need to do 8 a/c.
In the past, they fitted the 767 (i think there were 6 or 7 then) in less than 6 months.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Wed May 30, 2007 1:40 pm

EL AL 001
I now heard from a f/a that just did a one day introduction course to the new 777's that there will be 10 F class seats.
They will be at an angle, with two rows of 3 beds and one row of 4 beds.
I will talk to another one who is doing the same course at the end of this week.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Wed May 30, 2007 7:21 pm

IMHO, 10 F seats is too much for a 772; for example, AF has only 4 First class seats on their 772s
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Wed May 30, 2007 8:12 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 26):
IMHO, 10 F seats is too much for a 772; for example, AF has only 4 First class seats on their 772s

Why? UA has 12 first class sleeper suites on the 772's... flew in UA F on the 772 last weekend from IAD to MUC..

AF's seats are larger and LY's are smaller so they could fit 10 in easy!
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Wed May 30, 2007 10:34 pm

BA has 14!!

Good news for us frequent F flyers. Hope service maintains as 2 f/a's for 6 will probably now be for 10. Great to have a) F as word had it they were abandoning F altogether and b) single seats at last! (I am assuming 1-1-1 and 1-2-1).

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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Wed May 30, 2007 10:57 pm

Ok, sounds like a bit of a weird configuration, but let's see  Wink . I seriously hope they did a good job for once with their new seats. Yes LY is very missleading when it comes to the describtion of their classes on their website for instance, they probably know why they don't have any detyailed specifications or pics of the seats there as every AC type is different.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 25):
EL AL 001
I now heard from a f/a that just did a one day introduction course to the new 777's that there will be 10 F class seats.
They will be at an angle, with two rows of 3 beds and one row of 4 beds.
I will talk to another one who is doing the same course at the end of this week.

Thats incorrect. Im sorry.
There are going to be 2 rows of F/cl with 77" (today 90"-100"), all together 12 flat beds.
The fare for LY's new First class will be a decreased A/cl fare in oppose to the current A/cl and F/cl RBDs.
However, there is not going to be a change in the service given.

Also in the front zone of the 777s there will be 2 rows of C/cl with 14 seats at 62" and after the C/cl galley there will be another 21 seats in 62".

The rest of the a/c will have 232 Y/cl seats with 32"-33".

In total: 279 seats

And wait till you hear about the 744s. There will be greater surprises here.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 30):
Also in the front zone of the 777s there will be 2 rows of C/cl with 14 seats at 62" and after the C/cl galley there will be another 21 seats in 62".

The rest of the a/c will have 232 Y/cl seats with 32"-33".

This doesn't make sense.

How are they going to get 21 seats in at 62" pitch behind the C galley if they are basically keeping the Y configuration and pitch?
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 4:55 am

Because the pitch of the 3 rows in C/cl we are talking about is not going to change a lot from the way its today.
And, BTW, there will be a reduction of 5 Y/cl seats.

It makes sense when you see the new LY777 LOPA.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 5:15 am

excuse me, what is LOPA?
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 5:33 am

LOPA stands for Layout of Passenger Accommodation
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 5:48 am

ok, thanks for the info
BTW, it is a shame LY did not order 2 77Ws instead of those 772s
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 6:00 am

If you ask me- the answer would be no.
777-300ER wouldve been a better performer, no doubt about it. But, given the engine issue there was not a lot of choice.
Its a big deal.
LY operates Trents and the 300ER comes only with GE90s. This wouldve meant an enormous investment for a very small fleet. Not economical for LY.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 30):
And wait till you hear about the 744s. There will be greater surprises here.

so what is going to be in 744?
First class upstairs?
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 10:38 pm

Just to get this right, LY will abolish "First Class" and it will be like something inbetween C and F with cheaper fares + a Normal Business Class with fares to what they are now?
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 38):
Just to get this right, LY will abolish "First Class" and it will be like something inbetween C and F with cheaper fares + a Normal Business Class with fares to what they are now?

Not quite. The new 777s configurations will be used as a 'pilot test' to gauge customer reactions to this idea. It may or may not be copied to other aircraft depending on the results of the pilot test..
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Thu May 31, 2007 10:56 pm

oh ok, I see. They'll wait the na few months and will then start to reconfigure the rest of the 777's and 744's and by Spring / Autum 08 all of them will have the new seating?
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 16):
Why isn't LY deploying its new 777s on the MIA route? Is there not enough demand for larger aircraft on this route? Ordinarily, wouldn't it be more cost efficient to send the 777, rather than an old 762, on nonstop flights between TLV and MIA?

The B762 is a gas guzzler, but the range is outstanding.

From what I can see, the only long-range routes where LY uses the B762 and couldn't be replaced by the B763 are YYZ and MIA. Both YYZ and MIA are served 3x/weekly.

Wouldn't LY be vastly better off by putting the new B777 on the YYZ/MIA routes and phasing out all the B762s? I would assume that regional routes (Europe, JNB) would be better served with B757 and long-haul (BKK, PEK) with B763 than the B762.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:10 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 41):
Wouldn't LY be vastly better off by putting the new B777 on the YYZ/MIA routes and phasing out all the B762s? I would assume that regional routes (Europe, JNB) would be better served with B757 and long-haul (BKK, PEK) with B763 than the B762.

I agree that LY should operate all of its routes to North America with the 777s, although some flights to JFK and EWR will be on 744s. LY will continue to deploy 777s on flights to BKK and HKG. I think that LY will also fly 777s to LHR and CDG. I agree with you that all other European routes would be better served with single aisle aircraft, such as the 738 or older B757s. The 763s would fly routes to PEK, BOM, and JNB. Although I understand your reasons for suggesting the 757 for JNB, I can't imagine that a horrendously long flight on a narrow body aircraft would attract more customers to a route that may not be that profitable.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 42):
I agree that LY should operate all of its routes to North America with the 777s, although some flights to JFK and EWR will be on 744s. LY will continue to deploy 777s on flights to BKK and HKG. I think that LY will also fly 777s to LHR and CDG. I agree with you that all other European routes would be better served with single aisle aircraft, such as the 738 or older B757s. The 763s would fly routes to PEK, BOM, and JNB. Although I understand your reasons for suggesting the 757 for JNB, I can't imagine that a horrendously long flight on a narrow body aircraft would attract more customers to a route that may not be that profitable.

You're right about JNB.

Thus I would recommend:
NYC - B744/B777
Other Americas - B777
JNB/Far East - B777/B763
Europe - B757/B737

To me, the B762 doesn't fit into the fleet, especially as they have two different engine types. If I were LY I would aim to phase these aircraft out, the sooner the better.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 43):
Europe - B757/B737

excepth London and CDG with 777s
Flown:717,727,732,734,735,738,73W,742/744/748,752,762/2ER/763/3ER,772/77E/773/77W, 788, D8,D10,L1011, A3B2,A320,A321,A332,A343,A388
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:07 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 41):
From what I can see, the only long-range routes where LY uses the B762 and couldn't be replaced by the B763 are YYZ and MIA. Both YYZ and MIA are served 3x/weekly.

The 763 is deployed to YYZ however I don't think to MIA
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 45):
The 763 is deployed to YYZ however I don't think to MIA

Do LY and AC both fly 763s between TLV and YYZ? Maybe LY will eventually upgrade to this route to a 777, and AC will eventually fly a 777 or 343 to TLV.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 46):
Do LY and AC both fly 763s between TLV and YYZ? Maybe LY will eventually upgrade to this route to a 777, and AC will eventually fly a 777 or 343 to TLV.

I think they may have used to fly a 777 there when their LAX flights connected through YYZ. Now they fly to LAX nonstop from TLV so that may have neccessitated a downgrade.
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting FlyBaby (Reply 47):
I think they may have used to fly a 777 there when their LAX flights connected through YYZ. Now they fly to LAX nonstop from TLV so that may have neccessitated a downgrade.

At the begining even 744's were used but at some point the route was downgraded to a 762 / 763 (when intorduced to LY fleet) and last year I think it was the YYZ flight continued to ORD and now it terminates in YYZ.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 46):
Do LY and AC both fly 763s between TLV and YYZ? Maybe LY will eventually upgrade to this route to a 777, and AC will eventually fly a 777 or 343 to TLV.

AC flying A343's to TLV then they would need to hurry up before all of them have left the fleet which should be by the end of the year. AC only flies 763's and LY operates a mix of 762/3 on this route. As far as I know the flight isn't operated daily at least it was the case in the winter timetable? Looks like the next time AC will introduce another Aircraft will first be when the 787's arrive hehe

[Edited 2007-05-31 21:00:28]
 
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RE: New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE

Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:03 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 48):
AC flying A343's to TLV then they would need to hurry up before all of them have left the fleet which should be by the end of the year. As far as I know the flight isn't operated daily at least it was the case in the winter timetable?

Thanks for the information. I did not know that AC was phasing A343s out of its fleet. AC flies to TLV daily in the summer. During low season, AC flies to TLV four times a week.