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Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 7:30 pm

Article in the Gulf Times suggests that QR will purchase 150 aircraft between now and 2015.

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Dubai: Qatar Airways, the biggest customer for Airbus new A350 airliner, may buy a more-than-expected 150 planes by 2015, seeking to mitigate delays in the delivery of aircraft already ordered.
“We wanted 110 by 2015 but we also may go for more, maybe 150, because the existing ones will be ageing by the time we receive the new ones,” Qatar Airways general manager Ali al-Rais said in an interview yesterday in Dubai. He declined to say what models the airliner may order.



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The airline will announce the [A350] order at the Paris Airshow in June, al-Rais said.

Very interesting, but what options have they for the 150 breakdown?

A350 80
777 20
A380 ?
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 9:10 pm

Seems like QR really wants to equal EK.
Good for passengers if the region can sustain such fast growing mega carriers.

I read somewhere (in A-net I think) that QR plans a stake in Airbus.
Could we expect a sweet deal for A350's and A380's soon?
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 9:14 pm

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):

IMO QR is the Airline with the best future in the Middle East , very good service and they seem very professional .

EK&EY are getting worse with time , but QR is getting better and better !


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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 9:22 pm

This is good to hear, I really hope they sign the A350 at Paris.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
EK&EY are getting worse with time , but QR is getting better and better !

QR look like a great airline and EK seems like old news to many but EY look great to me, the service on their A340s and 777s is said to be fantastic and many of my friends who have flown EY were very impressed.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Very interesting, but what options have they for the 150 breakdown?

80 A350s
According to Mr. J Wallace from the SPI, the UFO for 30 787s is QR's.
If the above is correct, that leaves 40 more. I suspect that the remaining 40 will be a mix of A330s and A380s. No extra 777s IMO, because the A350XWB's QR intends to order would include 20 A350-1000XWBs.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
EK&EY are getting worse with time , but QR is getting better and better !

I've never flown on any of them  Sad but that's what I've been told too. EK aren't what they were but QR are outstanding.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 10:06 pm

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
EK&EY are getting worse with time

What exactly do you mean by that?

Financially EK had an net profit of AED 3456 last year, up from AED 2942 the year before.
http://speedera.emirates.com/www.emi...nrep06-07/pdf/FinStats_EKGroup.pdf

Traffic was up from 14.5 mill to 17.5 mill during the same time.
http://speedera.emirates.com/www.emi....com/anrep06-07/pdf/OpStats_EK.pdf

Can you backup the claims that EK is getting worse and worse? Do you mean service wise?

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
EK&EY are getting worse with time
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 10:15 pm

EK are by no means a bad airline or getting worse as such but from what I have heard form friends and family who have flown EK recently they have all said compared to other Middle Eastern carriers EK is no longer the best and they would prefer EY. I was on EK last year and I loved it, I thought the service was great but from what I have seen EY look like they are improving all the time and the product looks great!


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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 10:18 pm

As economy class goes, that Etihad A340-500 cabin is fantastic.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
80 A350s
According to Mr. J Wallace from the SPI, the UFO for 30 787s is QR's.
If the above is correct, that leaves 40 more. I suspect that the remaining 40 will be a mix of A330s and A380s. No extra 777s IMO, because the A350XWB's QR intends to order would include 20 A350-1000XWBs.

If the A350XWB is pushed back another year or two, the 1000s won't be showing up until 2016 to 2017 possibly. If they want additional 350pax aircraft around 2012, they will certainly buy 777s.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 10:56 pm

Well for sure they will be adding at least two more A388s (their options) and probably more on top of that.

And as Atmx2000 noted, it is likely QR and EK will be adding more 773ERs and 772LRs to tide them over if the A359R and A3510 are pushed back to the latter half of the 2010s.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 11:00 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
If the A350XWB is pushed back another year or two, the 1000s won't be showing up until 2016 to 2017 possibly. If they want additional 350pax aircraft around 2012, they will certainly buy 777s.

The article says they will buy 150 by 2015. I cant see them wanting more 777s if they only need them for 3 years.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting Chiad (Reply 1):
I read somewhere (in A-net I think) that QR plans a stake in Airbus.

Not QR but the state of Qatar was looking for peace of Airbus. I think it was something like 20 billion dollars they wanted to invest.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):
Financially EK had an net profit of AED 3456 last year, up from AED 2942 the year before.

So that is not a lot Big grin you sure this figures are correct?
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 11:52 pm

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
A350 80
777 20
A380 ?

A350 - 80
777 - 20
A380 - 50 Big grin

Seriously though

I can see the A350 and the 777 order. What about more A320 family aircraft for short/medium-haul?

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
According to Mr. J Wallace from the SPI, the UFO for 30 787s is QR's.
If the above is correct, that leaves 40 more.

If QR go for 80 A350 (which will probably be in the full product range -800,-900 and -1000, I certainly don't think they will need 30 787's.

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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 11:52 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 12):
So that is not a lot  you sure this figures are correct?

It's true that one would somehow expect slightly more profit, to pay for all those A380s and whatever else EK is currently buying, about to buy, thinking of buying, or telling everyone they are about to buy  Silly

Like Shamrock, I flew with EK last year (ZRH DXB SYD CHC, AKL SYD BKK DXB ZRH) and was very positively impressed, especially at the very enthusiastic and relaxed service on board. Having been upgraded into business for the SYD BKK leg obviously did not dull this experience.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting Philzh (Reply 14):
the very enthusiastic and relaxed service on board

That sounds like a contradiction to me  Wink
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Mon May 28, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
The article says they will buy 150 by 2015. I cant see them wanting more 777s if they only need them for 3 years.

Presumably they would keep them for more than 3 years. 3 years is a fair amount of time to delay expansion or avoid replacing aircraft.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 13):
If QR go for 80 A350 (which will probably be in the full product range -800,-900 and -1000, I certainly don't think they will need 30 787's.

Nothing in the A350 family compares to the 787-8, 787-8 is smaller than any of the A350s, so if Qatar wants a smaller long range aircraft, 787-8 is in a class of its own.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17):
Nothing in the A350 family compares to the 787-8

Actually, the A350-800 and 787-8 are comparable. The A350-800 sits in between the 787-8 and 787-9 in terms of capacity (realistically), but has less cargo volume than both. The A350-800 has a higher MTOW, probably reflective of its greater range.

787-8
Capacity 250
Range 7650m
LD3's 28
MTOW 220t

A350-800
Capacity 270
Range 8500m
LD3's 26
MTOW 245t

787-9
Capacity 290
Range 8000m
LD3's 36
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 1:45 am

Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):

Can you backup the claims that EK is getting worse and worse? Do you mean service wise?

exactly , EY is still good , much better than any other Western Airline , but not as good as QR .

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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 1:47 am

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 12):
So that is not a lot Big grin you sure this figures are correct?

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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
Actually, the A350-800 and 787-8 are comparable.

No, this has been discussed several times, and it has been established (even by Randy Baseler) to be the following:

787-8 : no competitor
787-9 : A350-800
787-10 : A350-900
777-200LR : A350-900R
777F : A350-900F
777-300ER : A350-1000
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 2:27 am

Randy says that because it's marketing spin. It doesn't help that Boeing uses formula X and Airbus uses formula Y when calculating capacities and X is less then Y.

The A358 is not much larger in terms of capacity (7.5%) then the 787-8, so both planes are going to be shopped by airlines looking to replace the smaller A330-200. And the 787-9 is essentially identical in available capacity to the A330-300 and A340-300 so the 787-9 is going to be replacing those two models in some fleets and even some 772ERs, as will the 6% larger A359.

[Edited 2007-05-28 19:42:52]
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 21):
(even by Randy Baseler) to be the following:

787-8 : no competitor

Ahh, Randy. A true magician when it comes to comparing aircraft.

Look at the figures. And then consider how they will relate to QR.

QR have 228, 238, and 260 seats on their A330's. So this would translate into the following....

.....QATAR AIRWAYS SEAT COUNTS FOR A332, 788, 789 & A358:

A332
3 class 228** 253* 90%^
3 class 238** 253* 94%^
2 class 260** 293* 88%^

788
3 class 225** 250* 90%^
3 class 235** 250* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

358
3 class 243** 270* 90%^
3 class 254** 270* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

789
3 class 261** 290* 90%^
3 class 273** 290* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

**Realistic QR Seat Count
*Manufacturers Typical Seat Count
^Qatars figure translated as a percentage of manufacturers figure

edit: error in calculations

[Edited 2007-05-28 20:03:36]
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 23):
788
3 class 189** 210* 90%^
3 class 197** 210* 94%^
2 class 220** 250* 88%^

358
3 class 243** 270* 90%^
3 class 254** 270* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

789
3 class 225** 250* 90%^
3 class 235** 250* 94%^
2 class 255** 290* 88%^

I don't see your point. Your data shows that the seating capacities of the 787-9 and A350-800 are roughly 20 seats apart. The 787-8 is over 50 seats away from the A350-800.... which better supports my statement that the 787-8 has no competitor.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 3:03 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 21):
it has been established (even by Randy Baseler)

I think Mandy Rice-Davies would apply here! Randy would hardly count as an unbiased opinion would he? To claim that your competitor doesn't have a plane to compete with one of your models is just great marketing spin.

As has been shown in reply #18, the A358 is quite capable of competing with both the 787-8 and -9. The planes don't have to have identical capacities to compete.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 3:05 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 24):
Your data shows that the seating capacities of the 787-9 and A350-800 are roughly 20 seats apart. The 787-8 is over 50 seats away from the A350-800....

Thats because it was wrong, I assumed 8 abreast for the 787 and 9 abreast for the A350. Please see edited numbers.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 26):
Thats because it was wrong, I assumed 8 abreast for the 787 and 9 abreast for the A350. Please see edited numbers.

Uh... No. The 787 is designed for 2-4-2 and will be used mostly in 2-4-2. Boeing's description of the 787: "an Ideal 767 / A300 replacement, which will offer more space per passenger than earlier aircraft.
A handful of airlines, First Choice, ANA (domestic), JAL (domestic), Jetstar, Air Pacific, TUI, ect. are likely to use the 787 in 9 abreast configuration.

However, the standard configuration of the A350 is 9 abreast. (less space per passenger than even the 777)
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 27):
Uh... No. The 787 is designed for 2-4-2 and will be used mostly in 2-4-2.

The current trend shows about one third of customers choosing 8-abreast with two-thirds choosing 9-abreast. The majority of 787 customers are choosing 9-abreast, but one third is still a significant contingent choosing 8-abreast. It isn't as if 8-abreast will be as common as 10-abreast on the 777 as someone suggested...

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 27):
less space per passenger than even the 777

The same can be said about the 787 in 9-abreast.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 11:27 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 23):
A332
3 class 228** 253* 90%^
3 class 238** 253* 94%^
2 class 260** 293* 88%^

788
3 class 225** 250* 90%^
3 class 235** 250* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

358
3 class 243** 270* 90%^
3 class 254** 270* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

789
3 class 261** 290* 90%^
3 class 273** 290* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

**Realistic QR Seat Count
*Manufacturers Typical Seat Count
^Qatars figure translated as a percentage of manufacturers figure

Since when was the manufacturers capacity on 787-8 quoted as 250? Boeing gives a range from 210-250 for 3 classes, that covers a range of configurations with lower capacity coming with 8 abreast economy and the higher end 9 abreast. But when Boeing lists a specific configuration, the capacity for the -8 in 8Y is 224 and in 9Y is 237 or 241.

Likewise for the 787-9, Boeing gives a range of 250-290. But when they give a specific configuration for 8Y it is 263 and for 9Y it is 280. 787-9 9 abreast configuration is clearly closer in capacity to the A350XWB.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 8:42 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 12):
Not QR but the state of Qatar was looking for peace of Airbus. I think it was something like 20 billion dollars they wanted to invest.

$20B is a lot!! Considering how much BAE Systems got for their 20% stake, this could buy th entire Airbus for the State of Qatar!! But I am presuming, it is not 20B USD, but 20B AED which might be a lot less when converted. Either case, the diversification of investments by the UAE is rather impressive. Another example is Dubai Ports World, Dubai tourism and infrastructure to make the UAE a tourist and transfer spot rather than just a patch in the desert. This is truly amazing feat in terms of economic planning and transformation. I wish US and the western world have this much foresight.

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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Tue May 29, 2007 9:10 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
A350-800
Capacity 270
Range 8500m
LD3's 26
MTOW 245t

787-9
Capacity 290
Range 8000m
LD3's 36
MTOW 245t

The better cargo caoacity of the 787-9 will do for it what it did for the A-330 to the 767; this is a clear cut advantage, plus 20 more pax = more revenue.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
80 A350s
According to Mr. J Wallace from the SPI, the UFO for 30 787s is QR's.
If the above is correct, that leaves 40 more. I suspect that the remaining 40 will be a mix of A330s and A380s. No extra 777s IMO, because the A350XWB's QR intends to order would include 20 A350-1000XWBs.

Are these for the CFRP paneled model or the one piece tube models?  Wink
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 29):
Since when was the manufacturers capacity on 787-8 quoted as 250?

Boeing state that the 787s typical 3 class capacity is 210-250, which as you say ranges across different seat options, ie 8 abreast and 9 abreast. The difference of 40 seats (210-250) is explained if you consider the approxomite number of seat rows in a 787.
I quoted 250 since the figures I used (figures that are closer to reality) specify 9 abreast seating, the most common and most likely configuration option. Thinking that many airlines will specify 18.5'' economy seats on an aircraft that has three classes and just 210 seats is just not real world economics when they can easily get away with 17.2'' economy seats, hense very few will do it. As I stated above, the majority of airlines will be comparing a 9 abreast 787 with a 9 abreast A350 in their RFPs, and in that case the seating capacity figures that I stated above are realistic for QR. Airlines like to make profits from time to time. Its not like many airlines have put 9 abreast economy seats on their 747s despite the width and size of the 747 deeming it more able to absorb the reduction in revenue capacity than an 8 abreast 787 ever could.



Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 31):
The better cargo caoacity of the 787-9 will do for it what it did for the A-330 to the 767; this is a clear cut advantage, plus 20 more pax = more revenue

Both of which will put the 787-9 further ahead of the A358 in terms of revenue capacity, which, as I stated above, implys that airlines will be comparing both the 787-8 and 787-9 to the A350-800.
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 8:52 am

Why are we arguing about the specs of the A350 vs. the 787? Haven't you heard? There is going to be a redesign of the A350 once again!!!  Angry
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 30):
$20B is a lot!!

Yes your are right. 20 Billion is to much. This fund on which wants a stake in EADS is looking for 10% of them and is actually sitting on 40Billion US Dollars which they can invest but they won´t buy shares worth that high.

See this thread:

RE: Qatar Wants To Invest In EADS... (by Stitch Feb 19 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Go to reply Nbr 3 and read the Bloomberg article which gives a little hint about the investment plans.  Smile
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 9:46 pm

Well we now know where the first 80 are coming from - Qatar Airways Announce A350-XWB Order (by PanAm_DC10 May 30 2007 in Civil Aviation).
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 10:21 pm

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 34):
Haven't you heard? There is going to be a redesign of the A350 once again!!!

To be pedantic, there are unconfirmed rumours of a "redesign" and delayed EIS.

However, QR still be seem to be scheduled to receive the first of their 80 in 2013. Curious eh? wink 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 37):
However, QR still be seem to be scheduled to receive the first of their 80 in 2013. Curious eh?

Just who the hell do Qatar think they are? First they go for 80 A350s and then they have the cheek to telling us that deliverys will begin in 2013!  Wink
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 10:40 pm

if 150 is the number by 2015, with the 80 350s out of the way and the 20 777 plus likely another 20 does this mean 30 380s are on the cards?

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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Wed May 30, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 32):
Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
80 A350s
According to Mr. J Wallace from the SPI, the UFO for 30 787s is QR's.
If the above is correct, that leaves 40 more. I suspect that the remaining 40 will be a mix of A330s and A380s. No extra 777s IMO, because the A350XWB's QR intends to order would include 20 A350-1000XWBs.

Are these for the CFRP paneled model or the one piece tube models?  Wink

Hmmm... not sure http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/...20070530_airbus_a350xwb_qatar.html  Wink
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Thu May 31, 2007 12:41 am

So the French President is now involved in the signing of an Aircraft order for an airline? He must not have a lot of pressing things to do, like complete the formation of his government etc...! I wonder how many orders for aircraft President Clinton or President Bush were involved in the signing of orders for?  Wink
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Thu May 31, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 41):
So the French President is now involved in the signing of an Aircraft order for an airline? He must not have a lot of pressing things to do, like complete the formation of his government etc...! I wonder how many orders for aircraft President Clinton or President Bush were involved in the signing of orders for?

If you read EADS PR, it states:

Quote:
The agreement was signed at the Elysée Palace in Paris in the presence of His Highness Sheikh Hamad Bin Khalifa Al-Thani, Emir of the State of Qatar, and Mr Nicolas Sarkozy, President of the French Republic, by Qatar Airways Chief Executive Officer Akbar Al-Baker and Airbus President and CEO Louis Gallois.

So the deal was signed by QR and Airbus in the presence of the two Heads of State. I believe Bush was doing the same when China signed a deal of 70 737s during his visit to China in November 2005? It's nothing more than VIP PR and glitz.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Thu May 31, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 41):
So the French President is now involved in the signing of an Aircraft order for an airline? He must not have a lot of pressing things to do, like complete the formation of his government etc...! I wonder how many orders for aircraft President Clinton or President Bush were involved in the signing of orders for?  Wink

At least a few Chinese orders have been signed when the President of the US was visiting Beijing or the Chinese Premier was visiting Washington DC. I seem to recall other orders being signed by the sitting US President and the Governor of Washington has been party to a few Boeing orders, as well.
 
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Thu May 31, 2007 1:07 am

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Quoting Stitch (Reply 43):
At least a few Chinese orders have been signed when the President of the US was visiting Beijing or the Chinese Premier was visiting Washington DC. I seem to recall other orders being signed by the sitting US President and the Governor of Washington has been party to a few Boeing orders, as well.


Presidential appearances do sometimes accompany massive orders and trade deals. They may be easier for the French President to justify from a practical point of view, since the facility where airbus does this stuff in the same city whereas the US president would probably have to do a transcontinental flight if he is not already in the city concerned.

[Edited 2007-05-30 18:14:14]
 
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Thu May 31, 2007 1:43 am

Although I wish both Qatar and EK success...However, these monster orders are completely insane! Talk about what to do with huge budget surpluses....How can they really fill all their aircraft? The population of Qatar and Dubai combined is about 2.5M. Ok, I understand connections and what have you, but somethings gotta give. Not to mention competition from Etihad and others, this 'me too business' I'm afraid will start harming balance sheets not in the too distant future.
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RE: Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015

Thu May 31, 2007 1:58 am

Quoting RJAF (Reply 45):
How can they really fill all their aircraft?


Remember that in the case of QR these will likely replace their current fleet aswell, inc 20 the 777-300ER.

As for Emirates, their 100 order will potentially be a replacement for their A330-200s, A340-300s, 777-200s and possible 777-300s. I think part of the reason that EK ordered so many 777-300s recently was to fill the gap left by the A380 delays, so chances are that some or of these 777s will eventually be replaced when enough A380s join the fleet.

[Edited 2007-05-30 19:02:53]

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