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Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 7:10 pm

If you believe the SX website, then it looks as if San Diego, Hartford (Chicopee, MA), and Jacksonville/Daytona Beach (St. Augustine) are next for Skybus. I wonder if all flights will still be to/from CMH exclusively or if they will start "connecting the dots" soon.

Check out the Skybus destinations webpage here:
http://ask.skybus.com/info/destinations.shtml

[Edited 2007-05-30 12:15:29]
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 7:55 pm

Quoting UncGSO (Thread starter):
Jacksonville/Daytona Beach (St. Augustine)

SGJ has no facilities to accomodate an airline

Quoting UncGSO (Thread starter):
Hartford (Chicopee, MA)

CEF has no facilities to accomodate an airline


How are they planning on pulling this off?
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 7:55 pm

Looking at their website, these are all from/to CMH.

If they follow indeed the Ryanair model, they will only operate flights from/to their base(s). This is one of the key aspects of the ultra LCC model, the simplicity of only flying from and to your base. By doing this, for example, you never need to put any of your crew in hotels as everyone starts and returns from your base.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 8:57 pm

Article in the Dispatch this morning

http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/con...2.ART_ART_05-30-07_C8_4F6S1V5.html

But....I don't see these routes on their website yet. They were supposed to be selling at 6am.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 1):
CEF has no facilities to accomodate an airline

http://www.wmass-arptcef.com/westop1.html

Looks like they have everything at Westover Airport that you would need....except an airline.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 9:30 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
If they follow indeed the Ryanair model, they will only operate flights from/to their base(s).

Dont you maen the EasyJet model. I had to do a double take when I saw their livery. Its EasyJet in disguise!!
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 9:34 pm

St. Augustine sounds interesting, but where will they park?
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 9:35 pm

I sure as heck hope they get at least another a/c in the next few weeks (maybe by Friday when I go to PSM)!
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 9:37 pm

Future Skybus Route Map (by Gregarious119 May 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)

It was established in that thread that St. Augustine (SGJ) will be a destination. There are links to the local paper where it was reported that St. John's County will put forward money to build a terminal. SGJ seems over the top, as I pointed out in another thread, but it fits with their model. In fact, it's mildly innovative, as JAX is inconvenient for anyone living south/east of the St. John's River.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 9:45 pm

OOO! http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/SKB looks like they DID get their third bird!  Silly My wish is their command..... Skybus you need online flight status!
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 9:47 pm

Tickets officially on sale...http://www.skybus.com

SGJ, SAN and CEF.

tickets are already 50 bucks on some flights to SAN.

Quoting Mnevans (Reply 7):
I sure as heck hope they get at least another a/c in the next few weeks (maybe by Friday when I go to PSM)!

They have 3 planes online at the moment, And before service starts to OAK June 12th...they will have another.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 9:50 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 10):
They have 3 planes online at the moment, And before service starts to OAK June 12th...they will have another.

That's very good to hear! From what the article said (The Dispatch is somewhat biased), they seem to be doing ok, maybe there's hope after all.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting Mnevans (Reply 11):
That's very good to hear! From what the article said (The Dispatch is somewhat biased), they seem to be doing ok, maybe there's hope after all.

The reason the Dispatch is somewhat bias is they gave Skybus start up money.

From what I hear and see here, they seem to be doing reasonably well.

Skybus is being pretty secretive with their Destinations, and at this rate, wouldn't be surprised to hear of additional routes by mid-summer
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
Skybus is being pretty secretive with their Destinations, and at this rate, wouldn't be surprised to hear of additional routes by mid-summer

As well they should be. It is a very competitive market. And with 65 planes on order, they must have many destinations in mind.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
The reason the Dispatch is somewhat bias is they gave Skybus start up money.

Yes, the Dispatch is clearly bias, but so what? They are a good source of information. They are acting as SX's PR department.
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 5):
Dont you maen the EasyJet model. I had to do a double take when I saw their livery. Its EasyJet in disguise!!

I could also say the easyJet model indeed, as the network-design strategies of easyJet and Ryanair are of course very similar. However, I named it Ryanair model as there are ex-Ryanair people in the board of directors.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 10:25 pm

I'm not at all discrediting their info, I just think it has a different spin then it would normally from a media company that doesn't have an interest in the story they are reporting on. I don't fault them for that, it's exactly what I would do, just pointing out a point.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 10:27 pm

Does anyone have any news about the on board sales pitch we heard so much about? I'd be interested to know if they're actually doing this, and if so, how is it going over on the passengers.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 10):
tickets are already 50 bucks on some flights to SAN.

I'm pleased they have announced SAN already -- certainly a sensible (year 'round) destination for SX and the times are not too bad (CMH flight arrives at Lindbergh at ~ 11am with a :25 minute turn.) Starts apparently 7/16; it will be interesting to see where they will be located at the airport and if/when SAN.org announces anything about it.

I would think SAN would be a good candidate for P-2-P non-CMH service from the 'Bus; e.g., service to BLI and even FLL (since nobody else has started any MIA or FLL service from SAN) and PSM or CFE...

bb
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 11:09 pm

Maxton, NC? Goodyear, AZ? Marana, AZ? Mohave, CA?  duck 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
I would think SAN would be a good candidate for P-2-P non-CMH service from the 'Bus; e.g., service to BLI and even FLL (since nobody else has started any MIA or FLL service from SAN) and PSM or CFE...

After doing the O&D analysis, a few months ago...(i'll do it again after work)...

It seemed that SEA, SFO, and SAN were three of the destinations that were not currently served nonstop out of Columbus, before that it was LAX....all are now being served by Skybus.

It will be interesting to see what they go for next, I see some international destinations and NYC and CHI on the horizon.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 11:18 pm

Im going to put $$ on TTN, PIE, ILG

other maybe's Goodyear, AZ (Phoenix), COS (denver), HVN (New Haven, CT..(NYC suburbs), perhaps LAL to cover both MCO and TPA....
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 11:24 pm

Suprised it didnt leak sooner, look at the SGJ agenda from the other week... http://staugustineairport.com/pdf/Agenda.pdf
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 20):
HVN (New Haven, CT..(NYC suburbs)

Wouldn't White Plains be better for the New York area?
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 21):
Suprised it didnt leak sooner, look at the SGJ agenda from the other week...

Well...pretty opaque if you ask me. Yes, we know what Part 121 Service is, and while we could expect Skybus, it still doesn't entirely spill the beans. The line item could refer to efforts to obtain such service from anyone in the future.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 11:51 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 22):
Wouldn't White Plains be better for the New York area?

It would, but HVN doesnt have FL and B6 and would probably offer a much better deal!
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Wed May 30, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 16):
Does anyone have any news about the on board sales pitch we heard so much about? I'd be interested to know if they're actually doing this, and if so, how is it going over on the passengers.

Basically, they make announcement before they start selling items in flight along the lines of "today our feature item for sale is blah blah blah......."
Also, they say upon landing "if you would like to sponser this announcement go to Skybus.com for details...."
I can just see it now, "This in flight announcement was brought to you by Pepsi"
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 21):
Suprised it didnt leak sooner, look at the SGJ agenda from the other week...

As I said in other posts of mine, it was obvious from their web site before the announcement because they were offering hotel discounts for St. Augustine and San Diego.
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting COFanNYC (Reply 4):
Looks like they have everything at Westover Airport that you would need....except an airline.

Rental cars?

Thing about going to these cheep airports is that if they have rental facilities, there is maybe 1 company, and the costs are high.

Save money on flights, spend it back on a rental car...
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 27):
Rental cars?

Thing about going to these cheep airports is that if they have rental facilities, there is maybe 1 company, and the costs are high.

Save money on flights, spend it back on a rental car...

Even if there is Avis or Budget, Skybus is offering discounts to car rentals for their passengers.

So you'll still spend money.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 12:55 am

CHICOPEE? For Hartford? Holy smokes - this airline is crazy!
The ironic thing about Chicopee is that it is not much further from Boston than Portsmouth, NH is.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 24):
It would, but HVN doesnt have FL and B6 and would probably offer a much better deal!

HVN has a scant 5,600ft runway - not a lot of tarmac. I'm not sure if it could support a fully laden 156-passenger A319 flight to CMH.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 27):
Rental cars?

Thing about going to these cheep airports is that if they have rental facilities, there is maybe 1 company, and the costs are high.

Save money on flights, spend it back on a rental car...

I bet if Skybus announced Chicopee, the rental car companies would follow. But this airline certainly knows how to stir the pot!!
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 1:05 am

HPN is restricted by the number of customers through security during each 1/2 hour period. I think that all of the slots are currently filled in White Plains, so they will have to look elsewhere.

Maybe ABE?
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 30):

I'm thinking ABE or RDG won't be too far off...
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 29):
HVN has a scant 5,600ft runway - not a lot of tarmac. I'm not sure if it could support a fully laden 156-passenger A319 flight to CMH.

HVN had UA 737s to ORD back in the late 80's/early 90s'

Pretty good catchment area from there too.
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 1:41 am

Im surprised Skybus are ignoring the likes of the New York and Orlando areas, were the markets are larger than that to the Jacksonville area for example(not saying there is no demand to the likes of Jacksonville but I would have thought NYC/Orlando areas would come first)

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
If they follow indeed the Ryanair model, they will only operate flights from/to their base(s). This is one of the key aspects of the ultra LCC model, the simplicity of only flying from and to your base. By doing this, for example, you never need to put any of your crew in hotels as everyone starts and returns from your base.

While FR generally follow that rule, they dont always (e.g. BVA-Porto/Treviso, Riga-Tampere). Such non base flights dont increase costs as long as the return trip to base can be operated by one crew (e.g. PIK-BVA-Porto-BVA-PIK)

Relating this to Skybus, routes like CMH-GSO-FLL-GSO-CMH
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 1:42 am

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 16):
Does anyone have any news about the on board sales pitch we heard so much about? I'd be interested to know if they're actually doing this, and if so, how is it going over on the passengers.

There was a pretty good ABC reporter's story of his flight along with his comments on the in-flight sales at:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/PersonalFinance/Story?id=3195684&page=1
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 1:51 am

Luckily I managed to get $10.00 fares to SAN for a quick vacation for my wife and myself. I checked 5 minutes later and the fare had gone up to $50.00 a ticket.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 24):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 22):
Wouldn't White Plains be better for the New York area?

It would, but HVN doesnt have FL and B6 and would probably offer a much better deal!

Not to mention that HPN probably doesn't want them and that HPN has caps on the number of passengers that can be flown per hour.
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 2:02 am

very interesting...apparantly they're not going after the hard sell...so thats good...I still wonder if the CMH base will have enough O&D traffic to make them profitable...going from Boston to LA via CMH having to claim and re-check baggage and buying separate flights,and re-checking in, will really discourage a lot of transiting business, that they could sorely use.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 2:08 am

I can't believe they haven't added the Orlando area yet. Still waiting for SFB, here.

Just booked CMH-SGJ-CMH in November for Thanksgiving. $300 r/t for four people...not too bad.

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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 38):
I can't believe they haven't added the Orlando area yet. Still waiting for SFB, here.

Im starting to think they could do LAL (Lakeland) as Orlando/Tampa... LAL is about the same distance from disney that SFB is
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 39):
Im starting to think they could do LAL (Lakeland) as Orlando/Tampa... LAL is about the same distance from disney that SFB is

Wouldn't surprise me; LAL is 32.5 miles from Tampa, 44 miles or so from the Disney exit off I-4, about 57 miles from downtown Orlando. Sanford is about equidistant from Disney (looks around 45-50 miles down I-4; a little bit more distance (but none of the hassles of I-4) on FL-417.

However, one of the things SkyBus has said they aren't planning on doing is competing with Southwest/JetBlue; Southwest already serves MCO and TPA non-stop multiple times daily from CMH so I don't know if they'd consider central Florida yet. Still; LAL sounds like a SkyBus destination; can get Orlando and Tampa in one fell swoop.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 3:14 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 39):
Im starting to think they could do LAL (Lakeland) as Orlando/Tampa... LAL is about the same distance from disney that SFB is

Actually the point that I was about to make. The main issue (not that SX cares), is that I-4 is the only way to go LAL-Disney, whilst I-4 and SR 417, which is a toll-road without much traffic, go to Disney from SFB. I-4 can be absolute hell between LAL and Disney, having driven it many times from MCO to TPA for baseball games.

Further, SFB is more convenient to DAB , but LAL could be marketed as TPA. Polk County (LAL) is also more likely to produce local traffic for SX...I don't see wealthy Seminole County flyers (SFB) flying SX much. There are definitely some pro's and con's to both airports.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 32):
HVN had UA 737s to ORD back in the late 80's/early 90s'

Pretty good catchment area from there too

Yes, you are correct. I knew that from when I used to fly my little Cherokee there. I think I kept one of those 737s waiting behind me once..!

I agree that there is a very good catchment area in the HVN area but the facility itself is almost comical. I'm not sure if it could handle 100+ people, especially if there was a Dash-8 flight scheduled around the same time on US. Its not a big airport!
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 4:00 am

I am keen to know if they will try to serve the Atlanta area. FL is the only LCC that offers any significant destinations from ATL (NK to FLL, LAS, TPA, MCO and F9 to DEN). As was discussed in the Atlanta 2nd airport thread previously, the best options are not really options at this point.

I grew up SW of Atlanta, and the best options I see are CSG, MCN and GVL. CSG is about 100 miles from Atlanta, but is near Callaway Gardens, which is a tourist draw, and also is next to Ft. Benning. I imagine there would be a good amount of traffic to be had for service-members and their families on leave and transiting on non-military aircraft to Ft. Benning. CSG has a 7,000 ft runway, and when I was little, there were DL 737s there, though I honestly don't know if it was because of irregular ops or not.

MCN is definitely the least of the options...over 100 miles from Atlanta and without any significant local draw.

GVL does not have a terminal or any current commercial service, much like SGJ. However, it's on the NE side of Atlanta (preferable to many travelers) and just 60 miles away. However, the runway is just 5500 ft, which could be problematice.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 5:03 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 20):
COS (denver)

IIRC, it was tried before (Western Pacific anyone?)

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 20):
MCO

What about Orlando Executive? IIRC, one of their runways is 6000 ft.

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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 5:05 am

pleeeeeaasseeee come to SYR.


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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 5:16 am

Greater Orlando Aviation Authority controls both MCO and ORL. I really doubt they would approve the use of ORL for a commercial airline. In fact, I can't see that at all...the local politicians would also get all upset, but it's not in GOAA's interest to let one airline use ORL and let everyone else use MCO. SFB or LAL are far more likely options.
 
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 7:19 am

I emailed Skybus about potential St. Augustine service and got a reply from them. My email suggested them looking into non-p2p service connecting St. Augustine & Pease/Portsmouth. They said they are considering flights other than to CMH in the future and that, in fact, they have researched St. Augustine to Pease. According to faremeasure.com, over 2,500 people per day fly between JAX, DAB, & GNV to New England (BOS/MHT/PVD). That's quite a bit considering the only nonstop service is currently JAX-BOS via twice daily DL/Comair CRJ.
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 19):
After doing the O&D analysis, a few months ago...(i'll do it again after work)...

SEA, SFO, and SAN

O&D Daily

CMH-OAK 98
CMH-SFO 176
CMH-SJC 105 (SFO Area)

total SFO area = 379

CMH-SEA 258

CMH-SAN 245


http://www.faremeasure.com/airports/Airport-Columbus_Ohio.html

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 20):
other maybe's Goodyear, AZ (Phoenix), COS (denver), HVN (New Haven, CT..(NYC suburbs), perhaps LAL to cover both MCO and TPA....



Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 1):
How are they planning on pulling this off?

IWA (Mesa/Phoenix) will win out over Goodyear for sure. (I hope so anyway  Smile
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RE: Skybus - New Destinations

Thu May 31, 2007 7:35 am

I was so excited to see Hartford on the map, until I realized it is actually Chicopee! I'd love to go see my sister in Columbus, but where the heck am I going to leave my car in Chicopee?

They will have a hard time convincing people from Western CT to drive to Chicopee. Most people here don't even know where the heck it is.