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B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 8:36 pm

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...gsearch=G-CEAH&distinct_entry=true

I see that this plane is now all white, rather than the normal EAC livery.

Does anyone know why?.

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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 10:23 pm

The airline seems a bit of a mess at the moment... Will they be sticking around much longer at all?
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 10:47 pm

Why do you think they are "a bit of a mess at the moment"?
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 10:51 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why?.

It is operating for Thomsonfly out of Manchester until the end of June, which is why it has been stripped of EAC livery.

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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 10:52 pm

My guesses are that its due a repaint into new EAL colours, or its for a repaint for a new customer, or its due to leave the fleet.
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 10:55 pm

Just to add, I know Thomsonfly will be using them this summer for five weeks or so from the end of May at Manchester. Also as well as their flights from Bournemouth for Palmair they are doing quite a few had-hoc charters around the UK this summer so at least they have got quite a few jobs this year.

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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 11:02 pm

During May I saw it at LTN and BHX
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 11:03 pm

Hi all

G-CEAH was operating flights for European at the weekend. It was operating a rotation from Manchester to Salzburg.

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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 11:09 pm

This will have been a flight for Thomsonfly even though they are using terminal 1.
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 11:13 pm

The past few days I've seen it parked on remote at MAN adjacent to the cargo terminal with a GPU attatched looking very lonely! lol
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 11:30 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Will they be sticking around much longer at all?

Wondered how long it would take someone to jump on the bandwagon!

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
It is operating for Thomsonfly out of Manchester until the end of June, which is why it has been stripped of EAC livery.

Correct! European have chosen not to have their name on their aircraft anymore due to the fact they get leased out alot, thats there purpose - just like Titan, just without as much class and the high expense.

Here she was on 2nd May getting painted:



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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Wed May 30, 2007 11:53 pm

Quoting Aidoair (Reply 8):
This will have been a flight for Thomsonfly even though they are using terminal 1.

Correct, they are using European's 3 letter flight designator (EAF) but using the flight number of the Thomsonfly flight they are operating.

For reference the destinations they are operating on selected days from MAN are:

DBV, FAO, FNC, LIS, NAP, PSA, SZG, VCE

This is until the 26th June when the EAF operation ends for TOM. I think they are using EAF because of their lack of availability of their own 737s to operate the flights themselves.

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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Thu May 31, 2007 7:46 am

Oops, maybe I was getting a tad confused...

I thought I read on here somewhere that they were downsizing their fleet and weren't in good financial shape...?

If not: Excellent! Gotta love those 732s...!
 
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Thu May 31, 2007 5:24 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):
I thought I read on here somewhere that they were downsizing their fleet and weren't in good financial shape...?

They were having problem, and still are not a rich airline, but they're doing OK. The only downsizing people would say is sending out aircraft for Ozjet. G-CEAE/H/G-GPFI are remaining very active however!

[Edited 2007-05-31 10:26:06]
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Thu May 31, 2007 7:53 pm

Birmingham 18/05/2007 parked away from terminals.

Luton 22/05/2007, (EAF930) left apron over 30 min late, taxied to remote hardstanding, sat for over 20 min then flew out. I did not see boarding. Very curious. Either the flight was pulled or they left very late. Given the normally short flight duration it would be quicker to walk.
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Thu May 31, 2007 10:36 pm

Silly mistake, Birmingham was 19/05/2007.
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Thu May 31, 2007 10:41 pm

Oh, ok - thanks.

Is Palmair still a branch of European, or are they now just one operation? I remember there used to be 732s also painted in Palmair colours...
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Thu May 31, 2007 10:49 pm

According to www.airfleets.net, Palmair is separate, G-CEAF only.

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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Thu May 31, 2007 10:56 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought that noise regulations had pushed all 732's out of Europe? I didn't think they met Stage III requirements, and I was under the impressions that hushkits were not accepted in Europe.
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):
I thought I read on here somewhere that they were downsizing their fleet and weren't in good financial shape...?

Ah... you're more or less right in that respect - though this happened sometime ago now. As BMIBaby737 says, they're ok now..

Quoting Vasu (Reply 16):
Is Palmair still a branch of European, or are they now just one operation?

Palmair has never been a branch of European.

Palmair is how Bath Travel brand their operations from BOH. In the past they used FLT 146s before the EAC 737s.

Of course, had the Bath family's takeover of EAC come to something, things may have been different.
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Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 18):
Pardon my ignorance, but I thought that noise regulations had pushed all 732's out of Europe? I didn't think they met Stage III requirements, and I was under the impressions that hushkits were not accepted in Europe.

AFAIK European are one of the few active operators of the 732 left in Europe, if not the last operator of the type (no recent photos in the a.net database indicate a 732 operator this year). However most 732s in Europe were hushkitted from 2000- and so were Ryanair's when they operated the 732 a few years back. A 732 without hushkits is bloody noisy - as I found out when I was at CPT one year.

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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 20):
However most 732s in Europe were hushkitted from 2000- and so were Ryanair's when they operated the 732 a few years back

I thought that Europe only allowed Stage III aircraft that met the standard as manufactured; I thought hushkits were unacceptable. Am I wrong?
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:47 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 21):
I thought that Europe only allowed Stage III aircraft that met the standard as manufactured; I thought hushkits were unacceptable. Am I wrong?

I believe you are; yes.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 17):
According to www.airfleets.net, Palmair is separate, G-CEAF only.

Considering G-CEAF hasn't been seen for months, that would mean they wern't flying at all!

Palmair has a contract to have planes for their flights, I don't believe it matters too much what one European send out as long as it has the correct seating plan. I believe the whole fleet (at one stage or another) has flown European flights. ATM it is G-CEAE, G-GPFI & G-CEAH flying for European on-and-off.
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:38 pm

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 13):

They were having problem, and still are not a rich airline, but they're doing OK. The only downsizing people would say is sending out aircraft for Ozjet. G-CEAE/H/G-GPFI are remaining very active however!

My view of their downsizing was them getting rid/scrapping their fleet of 742s. I know they sold G-BDXJ to Air Atlanta who then sold it on to Dunsfold and the rest was offered for sale before scrapping I think.
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 23):
My view of their downsizing was them getting rid/scrapping their fleet of 742s. I know they sold G-BDXJ to Air Atlanta who then sold it on to Dunsfold and the rest was offered for sale before scrapping I think.

They didn't know how to run an long-haul airline. They couldn't organize their crews correctly, and there planes were dotted around the world without crews with availble hours. There crew departement worked 9-5 and not 24 hours around the clock - and so the airline lost alot of money. The 747's had to go, or it was the whole company to my understanding!
 
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:24 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 21):
I thought that Europe only allowed Stage III aircraft that met the standard as manufactured; I thought hushkits were unacceptable. Am I wrong?

It is my understanding that if the aircraft were operated in Europe with hushkits before June 1999 are acceptable and no new installations of hushkits are allowed. I remember reading this in a book about the 737-100/200. I could be wrong and my books are 600 miles away from me right now.
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RE: B737 G-CEAH

Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 24):

The 747s were bought at very advantageous prices from BA - IIRC if they (EAC) had scrapped / broken the aircraft for parts immediately after purchase, they would have made a profit on the transaction.
Of course there was another side to the deal - the aircraft from BA were all getting close to needing expensive checks and maintenance.

A key factor in the troubles that EAC endured was the loss of the Travel City tour operator contract they had - EAC's 747s were contracted to operate a lucrative series of charters from the UK to Florida.
However, the deal allowed Travel City to end the contract at any point and without notice or financial penalty, and when Air Atlanta came up with a better deal, that was what they did.

This of course left EAC with aircraft and crews they had no business for.

Soon after EAC's financial troubles were all too evident.

Subsequent to this, EAC reduced the number of 737s and 747s they operated, and although the 747s that remained were contracted to Corsair for sometime, once this contract ended the airline ceased operating the 747.
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