cumulus
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Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:54 am

There is no doubt in my mind that the U.K to Dublin was the defiante "kick start" for FR in getting to where it is today, introducing it's "low fares" and basing itself of the business model of Southwest in the U.S.A.

However, at this time Dublin was a very "trendy" place to go, and although it still is it is not as popular as it used to be for Stag runs etc as we now have places like Prague and the recently "opened up" ex Eastern Europen countries.

There are still many flights available from FR to DUB from all the major UK airports, but is it as still profitable as it was or is it just like any other of their routes, i.e if it doesn't make money, ditch it!

There still seems to be savage competition from Aer Lingus and certainly BMI.

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plateman
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:03 am

I'll let you know how busy my flight is..I'm flying Ryanair from DUB-LTN on June 10, a Sunday night. They priced so much cheaper to BA even with the transfers to LTN
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
and although it still is it is not as popular as it used to be for Stag runs etc as we now have places like Prague and the recently "opened up" ex Eastern Europen countries.

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Oh I'm sure there's other reasons besides stag parties!

Aberdeen is one route which I have personal experience with, and I, friends and relatives use on a regular basis. I can't comment on profitability for the route, but it is one route where the .01c flights are rare. Every time I've flown this route, it's always been 80%+ full, fuelled strongly by VFR, oil workers, students (especially) and ,yes, stag parties!

I don't have exact figures re: their profitability, but Ireland-UK routes have always been the backbone of their operations, and this is conveyed by today's announcement of 3 UK routes from SNN.

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
and certainly BMI.

Why do you say this? Out of interest, does anyone have their market share on the DUB-LON route?
 
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:51 pm

You must not forget that traditionally FR's Irish-UK-Irish routes were primarily for ethnic traffic, such as Irish who moved to Britain to work and wanted a cheap way to get home (rather than pay BA's/EI's very high fares, either not go home or much, or going via ferry). There is still - and will no doubt always remain - considerable ethnic demand between Ireland and the UK and vice-versa. That's before tourists and businesspeople are even contemplated.
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:01 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):
ethnic demand between Ireland and the UK and vice-versa.

Forgot about that, every other person I meet seems to be going to Ireland to visit relatives!
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:20 pm

The UK routes are VERY important to FR, look what they did to Go at DUB and easyJet at ORK SNN & NOC.

As pearson said there is a very strong demand between the UK and Ireland, in both directions. Strong brand recognition and low fares also help to stimulate demand. The routes also have a good mix of VFR, business and leisure/stag parties. A lot of people do fly FR on business as FR provides a convenient schedule and flights from the local airport, e.g. LBA, DSA, ABZ, BLK, etc.

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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:39 pm

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 4):
Forgot about that, every other person I meet seems to be going to Ireland to visit relatives!

True, and since the boom of the Irish economy, many British are now over in Ireland seeking better employment and wages. Have the accents I hear in construction for example when ever I go back to visit Dublin are either Polish or British. How times have changed.
Nevetheless, your question is very interesting.
The stag thing died down in the past anyway, as it was causing too much trouble and many Dublin hotelliers were actually closing their hotels to reservations from British stag parties. As other's have said, huge past Irish immigrant population in UK, growing British immigrant population in Ireland, tight business relations between the two countries, and a ver high and growing level of British tourists coming to Ireland for other pleasures than stag parties. From what I can see FR operate 17 routes from DUB to the UK, so there must be demand. And don't forget, FR operates some 57 other routes on either domestic Irish routes or to continental Europe.
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting Cumulus (Thread starter):
There are still many flights available from FR to DUB from all the major UK airports, but is it as still profitable as it was or is it just like any other of their routes, i.e if it doesn't make money, ditch it!

If a routes doesn't make money they will drop it - DUB-HUY sadly being an example.

Although if theres competition, then it would probably be a different matter. For example LGW-Knock was very quickly launched after EZY started it, and then very quickly dropped after EZY axed it - no idea how profitable it was but Im sure you can draw your own conclusions
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 6):
The stag thing died down in the past anyway

Plenty of Hen parties coming over though..... rawr.
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:25 pm

There's still plenty of business passengers that fly with them as well especially from Manchester. On the morning flights i have been on from there they have always been over 95% if not 100% full midweek and that is in competition with Aer lingus and the Luxair flight.
 
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RE: Ryanair And Dublin

Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting PlateMan (Reply 1):
I'll let you know how busy my flight is..I'm flying Ryanair from DUB-LTN on June 10, a Sunday night. They priced so much cheaper to BA even with the transfers to LTN

As promised, my Ryanair flight was problary 95% full. I was in the far end of pier A at DUB for the flight which seemed to be all the Ryanair flights. It reminded me of trailers put together, or JetBlue's temp terminal at JFK. Can't wait for the new terminal to open.

There were lines for people waiting to board. But the flight itself was great, landed 20 minutes early. The FA's were interesting, could not figure out how to use the lights on the plane so they kept playing with them.

Also, an interesting comment. I was asking someone who I thought was a Ryanair employee a question. He was actually Aer Lingus but goes to me "it's ok ask, I'll know more then they do."
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