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Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:59 pm

Now its confirmed! The media release still not yet on their web, so I made a copy here

Zurich Airport, June 1, 2007


SWISS to introduce services to Delhi and Shanghai

SWISS is to add its first new long-haul destinations to its network, with the introduction of scheduled services to the key cities of Delhi (India) and Shanghai (China). The new routes can be operated thanks to the addition of five further aircraft to the SWISS long-haul fleet, enabling the carrier to both increase frequencies on existing routes and introduce service from Switzerland to new destinations. The addition of Delhi and Shanghai should both boost the Swiss economy and enhance Switzerland’s vacation appeal.

SWISS is growing, at a steady and sustainable pace. Since last November, Switzerland’s national airline has added five Airbus A320-family aircraft to its European fleet and has introduced two further Airbus A330s and (from July 20) an additional A340 on its intercontinental network. Two more Airbus A340 aircraft will also be added to the SWISS long-haul fleet by spring 2008.

As a result of this fleet expansion, SWISS will introduce service to Delhi (India) in its 2007/08 winter timetable, and will add Shanghai (China) to its network in the 2008 summer schedules. “In extending our network to Delhi and Shanghai, we are both strengthening the Swiss economy and promoting Switzerland as a tourist destination,” says SWISS CEO Christoph Franz. Delhi will be served with Airbus A330 aircraft from November 25, 2007, while the service to Shanghai, which will begin on March 30, 2008, will be provided using Airbus A340 equipment.

India: a key growth market
Delhi will be SWISS’s second destination (after Mumbai) in the emerging Indian market. “It’s the rapid growth in this market, the strong business ties between the two countries and the high demand for air services from non-government and non-profit organisations, too, that have prompted us to add Delhi to our network as our second Indian destination,” says Harry Hohmeister, Chief Network & Distribution Officer at SWISS. The new route also offers sizeable potential for tourist traffic, from both the Swiss and the Indian source markets.

Swiss exports to India have more than doubled over the past three years, increasing 36% in 2006 alone. Imports of Indian products and services to Switzerland are also rising rapidly, and recorded 11% year-on-year growth last year.

First direct service between Zurich and Shanghai
With China now Switzerland’s second-most-important trading partner in Asia, the demand for business travel between Zurich and Shanghai has considerably increased. Calls have also been growing in the tourism sector for a direct Zurich-Shanghai connection.

Apart from flights to and from Hong Kong, no direct services currently exist between Switzerland and China. With Air China and Shanghai Airlines due to join Star Alliance next year, SWISS should also soon be able to collaborate with two well-established local airline partners to offer its customers attractive onward connections from Shanghai to other Chinese destinations.

Beijing is also set to appear in the SWISS timetable next spring, under a codeshare operation with Lufthansa via Munich. “Our new services should ensure that Switzerland enjoys attractive air connections with what is currently the world’s fastest-growing market,” CEO Christoph Franz continues.

Swiss exports to China have increased by more than 35% over the last three years. Imports of Chinese products and services to Switzerland are also seeing substantial growth, and rose 16% last year.


Schedules coordinated with Lufthansa for more customer choice
SWISS and Lufthansa will also be coordinating the schedules of their services to Delhi and Shanghai to offer valuable convenience benefits to all their customers. As a result, travellers will be able to fly from Zurich to Delhi or Shanghai either directly on SWISS or via Frankfurt or Munich with Lufthansa. The harmonised timetables will offer customers a choice of three different departure times, and a flexibility that will be particularly appreciated by business travellers. The collaboration is further confirmation of Lufthansa’s multi-hub strategy centred on Zurich, Munich and Frankfurt airports.

SWISS generates jobs
Having successfully completed its corporate restructuring, SWISS has given itself the scope to invest in its fleet, its network and its product. The present fleet expansion is also creating new jobs – around 600 of them among the company’s flying personnel alone, or an increase of some 10% on present workforce numbers.

SWISS’s expansion is generating new jobs in related fields, too, such as technical services, catering and ground handling. “Every long-haul aircraft we add to our fleet creates about as many jobs as will be found in a small or medium-sized enterprise in Switzerland,” Christoph Franz points out. “So here, too, our fleet expansion is generating added value for the Swiss economy.”


The new services:

Zurich-Delhi LX 146 12:30 00:35+ (daily)
Delhi-Zurich LX 147 02:00 06:25 (daily)

Zurich-Shanghai LX 188 13:05 06:35+ (daily)
Shanghai-Zurich LX 189 09:30 15:40 (daily)

+ = the following day
 
Nimish
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:50 pm

Excellent news - so LX is taking over the ZRH-DEL sector that AC withdrew in May. Earlier LX used to code share on the AC flight on ZRH-DEL.

Good to see further *A expansion into India - it's only a matter of time before one of the Indian carriers signs up with *A.
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:20 pm

I have never understood why they withdrew from those cities in the first place, so good thing they are back. Swissair/Swiss left both DEL and PVG during a time of frantic network cut, but also at the same time when European competitors were stampeding to get a hold of additional India and China rights. And while I could appreciate the cutting of such cities as Manila, Taipei, Saigon and Jakarta, the elimination of Delhi and all service to China was never a good idea.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
at the same time when European competitors were stampeding to get a hold of additional India and China rights.

But only to realize later that it was not as prosperous as they thought. OS and SK both have just recently withdrawn from Shanghai. China is not the gold mine everybody thought.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:54 pm

These A330's and A340's where are they coming from?

Are these new frames or leased?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
And while I could appreciate the cutting of such cities as Manila

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I wish they would return.

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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:17 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 3):
China is not the gold mine everybody thought.

It's overcrowded by now, but when Swissair withdrew its 5 weekly ZRH PEK PVG services, it was not. Let's also not forget that the likes of Lufthansa and Air France/KLM seem to be able to make China work, actually adding services whereas SK and OS have been withdrawing.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
Let's also not forget that the likes of Lufthansa and Air France/KLM seem to be able to make China work, actually adding services whereas SK and OS have been withdrawing.

Do you have any idea why that is the case. Do these smaller carriers not have enough feed to make China work?
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:45 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 6):

its not like that they don't have feed traffic, but a lack of O&D market. for feed traffic, they dont have competitive advantage and would have to compete with likes of AF and LH.
AZ seems to be doing fine on MXP-PVG
As for LX, they really should have no problem on the PVG route
O&D market, high yield traffic, cargo..........
LX would also have the advantage over AF,LH,KL etc for connection traffic for pax travelling to cities without direct services as baggages can be checked right through to the final destination as switzerland is not an EU country and chinese nationals do not need a visa for transiting through ZRH
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:21 pm

Quoting Chinaeastern (Reply 7):
LX would also have the advantage over AF,LH,KL etc for connection traffic for pax travelling to cities without direct services as baggages can be checked right through to the final destination as switzerland is not an EU country

I'm aware that transit passengers arriving in the US need to recheck their luggage at the first port they enter. ie BRU-ATL-LAX, you'll have to pick up your bags in ATL and check them in again for the LAX flight. However, that passengers arriving in the EU and connecting to another EU airport have to do the same is new to me, and more then likely incorrect. I have never needed to pick up my bags to recheck them when flying into the EU and connecting to, for example, BRU.
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:31 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 8):

then, where do you clear custom and immigration? clearly not at your final destination as the connection flight would be a "domestic" flight
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:43 pm

Quoting Chinaeastern (Reply 9):
then, where do you clear custom and immigration? clearly not at your final destination as the connection flight would be a "domestic" flight

Immigration is at your first point of entry while customs is a your final destinations. Isn't that great? Makes flying much more convenient without picking up luggage somewhere in between.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:26 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 10):
Immigration is at your first point of entry while customs is a your final destinations

Are you sure for immigration ? I think it rather depends where you go after your connection.
If you connect to a flight to a EU Shengen country, then you are correct (clear immigration at your first point of entry in the EU). Example : PVG-CDG-MAD immigration is cleared at CDG, customs at MAD
If you connect to a flight to a EU non-Shengen country or outside EU (e.g. PVG-CDG-LHR or PVG-CDG-JFK), then I think you'll clear both immigration and customs at your final destination.
In any case for bags, as you said, they are checked for the entire trip and you don't collect them at your connection point in EU
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:52 pm

Hi!

It's good to see SWISS growing!!! I think when all the fuzz came after the crash of Swissair and the arrival of SWISS, something had to be done. Probably not all the steps were the wisest ones but it's good to see SWISS "getting there"!!!
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:09 pm

Quoting KL808 (Reply 4):
These A330's and A340's where are they coming from?

They got the two A 332 already last year from LH (former SN planes), one A 343 is coming from AC (first flight in July) , the other two A 343 are from OS (entering service early next year).
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:32 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 13):
entering service early next year

The first ex-OS-A343 will enter service mid-September.

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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting Ka (Reply 14):
The first ex-OS-A343 will enter service mid-September.

Thanks. You are right.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:08 pm

I would assume that AC will codeshare on the ZRH/DEL flight similar to the LX arrangement on the now defunct AC878.
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 16):
I would assume that AC will codeshare on the ZRH/DEL flight similar to the LX arrangement on the now defunct AC878.

And I hope the timings allow for a scissors hub at ZRH - with DEL/BOM and YYZ/YUL connections interchanging at ZRH?
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:32 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 17):

And I hope the timings allow for a scissors hub at ZRH - with DEL/BOM and YYZ/YUL connections interchanging at ZRH?

Yes. Both India flights arrive in the early morning hours and the YYZ and YUL flights leave before noon. The other way round on the eastbound flights: YYZ, YUL arrive in the early morning and BOM, DEL leave around noon.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:18 pm

Isn't AC building up nonstop flights between Canada and India. Wans't that the reason why the AC ZRH - DEL got the axe ?
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 19):
Isn't AC building up nonstop flights between Canada and India. Wans't that the reason why the AC ZRH - DEL got the axe ?

DEL apparently wasn't meeting its financial targets, and the freed up aircraft will be used on additional YVR-PEK service this summer. There's nothing on the radar screen that indicates that India will be back anytime soon.

[Edited 2007-06-02 15:36:03]
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:41 am

I suppose to accommodate these new destinations the had to jumble ZRH slots around a little bit. Maybe that's why they had to move LX 52 to BOS to a late afternoon departure at around 17:35?
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:49 am

Quoting BOAC911 (Reply 21):
I suppose to accommodate these new destinations the had to jumble ZRH slots around a little bit. Maybe that's why they had to move LX 52 to BOS to a late afternoon departure at around 17:35?

I dont think it's a slot-issue but much more about a/c availability. I'm sure that this new, and frankly rather odd schedule of LX52 is merely an interim solution until their additional A343s become available, as the times are less than ideal for most interconti transit passengers (except for NRT which arrives around 4pm). Expect BOS to move back to a noon/early afternoon departure by next year.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 19):
Isn't AC building up nonstop flights between Canada and India. Wans't that the reason why the AC ZRH - DEL got the axe ?

No, as far as I know, AC has no immediate plans for nonstop service to India. They previously operated YYZ-DEL nonstop using the A340-300 which wasn't profitable and was replaced by the now cancelled YYZ-ZRH-DEL 767-300ER service. I expect they might reconsider plans for India service at some stage, probably when their 787s arrive.

India is a difficult market from Canada due to generally low yields and trafic is very seasonal, and there's a huge amount of competition via both the Atlantic and the Pacific. This is at least the 3rd time AC has suspended service to India. Their first service was YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN many years ago.

Indian carrier Jet Airways has announced new service YYZ-BRU-DEL in August, initially 5/week increasing to daily by the end of the year.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:54 am

Will DEL be using 2 or 3 class 332's?
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:34 am

DEL will be using 2 Class A332's innitially, however LX has decided to add First Class again to all it's Long Haul flights, meaning that All A330's will be equiped with First. This will be done when the A330's will receive the new Cabin interior which should be started hopefully begining of next year with F probably having 8 seats, like on the A340's.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:03 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 20):
There's nothing on the radar screen that indicates that India will be back anytime soon.

AC would give DEL a try one more time when 787 arrives.
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:09 am

Swiss has already tried and failed with DEL in the past. I have a strong feeling that LH & AC pushed them to start DEL to further increase Star Alliance's presence there as the latter is guaranteed to code share with LX via ZRH to DEL just like it currently does to BOM.

But even though LH own LX, I would have rather seen the latter use that one A 332 to launch daily ZRH-BLR flights which offer higher yield and revenue potential due to less competition from that city compared to DEL. LX has a large presence on the U.S. East Coast & in the EU to feed the BLR flight + a J/F class product much better than LH's which would attract the high yielding pax bound to BLR and vice versa.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 27):
would have rather seen the latter use that one A 332 to launch daily ZRH-BLR flights which offer higher yield and revenue potential due to less competition from that city compared to DEL

I've not checked, but does the India-Swiss ASA allow for services to BLR? I've not heard of it being renegotiated in a while, in which case it may be stuck to the old definition of "metro" airports.

I'm sure another *A flight to BLR would do well, given LH often has a waiting list on J their high J layout 744 to BLR (based on talking to colleagues and friends, no information from LH!)
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
LX is taking over the ZRH-DEL sector that AC withdrew in May.

AC flew ZRH to DEL?
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 28):
I've not checked, but does the India-Swiss ASA allow for services to BLR? I've not heard of it being renegotiated in a while, in which case it may be stuck to the old definition of "metro" airports.

You may be right and LX may very well be precluded from flying to BLR. I know for a fact that during the Swissair/Sabena era, the latter started a BRU MAA service because SR would not be allowed to open such a route. The bilateral air services agreement may very well not yet be updated.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:31 am

FYI...according to the Swiss-India bilateral agreement, LX can fly upto 16 times a week into India offering a total of 5700 weekly seats only. It doesnt specify which cities can or cant be served.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:32 am

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 29):
AC flew ZRH to DEL?

Yes, as a tag-on to their YYZ-ZRH flight, using B763s
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 29):
AC flew ZRH to DEL?

Yes. AC and LX had a kind of mini-hub in ZRH for flights between Canada and India. AC flew YYZ-ZRH-DEL and LX YUL-ZRH, ZRH-BOM. They all arrived almost at the same time in ZRH in each direction and passengers could change from one flight to the other.
 
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RE: Swiss Relaunch Delhi And Shanghai

Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:03 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 31):
FYI...according to the Swiss-India bilateral agreement, LX can fly upto 16 times a week into India offering a total of 5700 weekly seats only. It doesnt specify which cities can or cant be served.

That's true - I looked up the bilateral now - no restrictions on cities being served. It's possible they did not want to fly to BLR, or may be did not get a slot at the current BLR airport (it's running beyond capacity all day/night).

The second reason might be that they wanted to continue feeding the Canada flights from ZRH - and there might not be too much of Canada-BLR traffic (much more to DEL than BLR).
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