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Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:23 am

Between weather enroute eating into fuel reserves, US customs hours, and flight deck crew running out of hours these passengers certainly had a little adventure.

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Passengers Become Stuck In Tijuana After Mixed Messages From Airline

LOS ANGELES -- Passengers on a flight from Panama to Los Angeles finally arrived at Los Angeles International Airport on Thursday after what they call a 14-hour-long frustrating ordeal.

Copa Airlines Flight 302 took off behind schedule late Wednesday night from Panama City and then landed in Tijuana

Passengers said the crew told them the flight was low on fuel after flying around a hurricane.

Passengers said they were later told it was too late at night to fly to Los Angeles because customs would be closed by the time they landed.

After 14 hours stranded in Tijuana, some passengers left on their own. "We jumped on an airplane to LAX from San Diego and now trying to figure out how to get our luggage out of customs," said passenger Dennis Rourke.

http://www.knbc.com/travelgetaways/13423404/detail.html?dl=mainclick

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May 31, 2007 (KABC-TV) - A refueling stop in Tijuana turned into a 14-hour ordeal for more than 150 passengers on a Copa Airlines flight.

The passengers say they were left stranded in the terminal with little food.

Copa Airlines says the flight was diverted because of weather conditions. As a result of the additional flight time, the plane consumed more fuel, which made it necessary to stop in Tijuana. Copa Airlines says the plane couldn't take off because customs at LAX closes at 2 a.m. The airline says its pilots had hit a limit on flying time and replacement pilots had to be sent to Tijuana by car from Los Angeles.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5357674
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:15 am

Are there any U.S. airports where customs are open 24 hours a day?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 1):
Are there any U.S. airports where customs are open 24 hours a day?

MIA. They have international arrivals coming in at 2.40AM (AV 4 from Bogota).
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
May 31, 2007 (KABC-TV) - A refueling stop in Tijuana turned into a 14-hour ordeal for more than 150 passengers on a Copa Airlines flight.

The passengers say they were left stranded in the terminal with little food.

Copa Airlines says the flight was diverted because of weather conditions.

Does anyone knows how many flights were diverted at that time due to bad weather?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:26 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 3):
Does anyone knows how many flights were diverted at that time due to bad weather?

It not LA weather, instead something enroute, which was probably Cyclone Barbara off the Mexican Coast.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WEATHER/05/30/mexico.storm.reut/

I guess for whatever reason they were not flight planned around the weather with adequate fuel supplies.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
It not LA weather, instead something enroute, which was probably Cyclone Barbara off the Mexican Coast.

Thanks.

And CM was the only affected ?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 1):
Are there any U.S. airports where customs are open 24 hours a day?

JFK, MIA, LAX among many others. A lot of them.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:44 am

I guess that's what happens when

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
I guess for whatever reason they were not flight planned around the weather with adequate fuel supplies.

It's also quite a long flight for a 737.
 
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 7):

It's also quite a long flight for a 737.

They do it every day. To Montevideo is a longer flight.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:53 am

One would think if they had enough fuel to get to TIJ that they could make it to SAN, so passengers could enter the US there and clear customs, instead of clearing Mexican and then US.
 
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting Phllax (Reply 9):
One would think if they had enough fuel to get to TIJ that they could make it to SAN, so passengers could enter the US there and clear customs, instead of clearing Mexican and then US

Who knows what happened, remember crew timing could have been the biggest concern, I am guessing the reason no hotels could be provided was that most latinos are required visas for Mexican entry, CM could have handled it better i am sure, and I hope this doesnt happen again.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:27 am

Seems to be a world-wide trend nowadays...if something goes wrong, nobody's in charge. No one is allowed to make arrangements for food, sanitation, or customs. Sit and wait for fourteen hours while the rest of world pretends you don't exist.

Had they landed in San Diego, they wouldn't have been able to leave the plane. At least in TIJ, they could cross at San Ysidro and make their way to Los Angeles.

Very sad.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 1):
Are there any U.S. airports where customs are open 24 hours a day?

EWR .... I know some flights arrive around 4am.. one example would be CO 091 TLV-EWR...
 
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 11):
Had they landed in San Diego, they wouldn't have been able to leave the plane.

Why's that? Care to ellaborate and enlighten us by the way?

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 6):
JFK, MIA, LAX among many others

LAX not this time... Actually, it closes at 2:00 AM.

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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:21 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 11):
Seems to be a world-wide trend nowadays...if something goes wrong, nobody's in charge. No one is allowed to make arrangements for food, sanitation, or customs. Sit and wait for fourteen hours while the rest of world pretends you don't exist.

I think it has a lot to do with a very Latin mentality among workers, follow orders, period. On my last trip to panama I noticed how people there simply dont think for themselves and dont have the cojones to make a decision, they follow the company book to the dot and dont act on very obvious situations.

Latin employees almost never go beyond the call of duty.

Employees have no sense of responsibility for their roles other than following orders. The empty counter at LAX is shameful, I understand that they could have had problems at TIJ because they had not CS or ground staff their, but keeping passengers stranded and in the dark in LAX is just despicable.

BTW before you flame me for a racist post, I want to point out that I am born and raised Panamanian, living in the US, my family still has business interests in Panama and I am therefore constantly involved managing workers and dealing with labor issues.

I feel that the lack of dedication to their jobs in Latin America is due to the fairly bad treatment that most employees receive, they therefore dont care about their job and will only do the bare minimum to not be fired.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:23 am

A very unfortuneate experience, and thankfully, still rare enough that it makes news. I don't believe COPA normally flys to TIJ (no presence, no personnel), so trying to arrange adequate services for its delayed passengers would be very difficult, if not impossible, especially late at night. Then throw in the crew timing out, and we get this situation.

It would be up to the airport to step-up and provide needed food and water, and then work with COPA after the incident to recoup any cost associated with the emergency assistance. Airports need to be prepared for situations like this, and have food, water, cots, pillows, blankets, and medical/infant/feminine supplies on hand. You don't have to be ORD to suddenly find yourselfs with hundreds, or even thousands, of passengers stranded.
 
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:07 am

Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
The airline says its pilots had hit a limit on flying time and replacement pilots had to be sent to Tijuana by car from Los Angeles.

Herein lies the answer...

..first off this very exact situation, same carrier to boot...wound up in this sling before. The LAX Station Manager certainly has an ADDITIONAL 150 pax waiting to depart on that very same failed-to-show-up airc in TIJ! So after he coddles and burps them to appease me (or while doing so) he/she should (knowing that the TIJ pax are stuck, screwed and left to to TIJ officials) send a CSR + Security + big credit card.cash to TIJ to accomodate those PAX. This would go a long way in stopping people from bad mouthing COPA on the news like the did last night! Copa really took a beating on local airways...makes you wonder..do they feel the 14hr hell they put their customers thru..was worth it-


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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:08 am

Quote:
I think it has a lot to do with a very Latin mentality among workers, follow orders, period. On my last trip to panama I noticed how people there simply dont think for themselves and dont have the cojones to make a decision, they follow the company book to the dot and dont act on very obvious situations.

Considering the AA MD80 that sat in Austin on the tarmac until the Captain himself revolted and the JetBlue situation, it's not unique to Latin cultures at all.

Most airlines worst-case scenario plans consist of one word - "PRAY".

Pray that it doesn't happen.

Pass the buck to someone else to take the blame.

Hope that the stranded airplane will just disappear.

Pray that this year's thunderstorm season will be less than the last year's.

No one has contingency plans anymore - not the airlines, not the airports, not the government.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:17 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 6):

LAX Customs is NOT 24-hours. That is why this happened, the plane couldn't continue to LAX since Customs had closed, so they were stuck at TIJ.

Alaska had a bad run in with LAX customs when we had a flight from MEX divert to ONT due to LAX weather. My managers and I spent hours pleading to Customs to allow us to continue to LAX, which they did 2 hrs later.

Quoting Phllax (Reply 9):

SAN is closed for curfew at night. If they diverted to SAN they then land at another US airport, with no Customs, and would have been stuck since they can not take off after 1100 or 1130pm. So you have 150 passengers sleeping on an airplane.

If the pilot crew running out of time as LAXINTL said, then SAN is also a bad choice cause thats just a little farther then TIJ as well. Though not that far!

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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:28 am

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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:44 am

The plane was HP-1523CMP and I got the following message off ACARS, I knew something was wrong:

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: .HP1523
Message label: RA Block id: R Msg. no: QUPT
Flight id: CM0303
Message content:-
YWBCM~1MSG

SORRY, NO VI CUANDO
ENTRARON LOS MSGS.
SI, YA ESTAN PENDIENTES
DE SU LLEGADA.


ORIG.: MEYIN CHONG

-------------------------------------[31/05/2007 23:34]

In other words:

SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE WHEN
THE MESSAGES CAME IN.
YES, THEY ARE STANDING BY
FOR YOUR ARRIVAL.

Note this is CMP303 LAX-PTY, after the ordeal.

Regards,
Tomas.

[Edited 2007-06-02 00:50:35]
 
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:06 am

This is not adding up.......OK the plane lands at TIJ late at night, but then stays there for 14 hours?!?!?!?!?!?!

If a crew was sent from LAX to TIJ by car they can drive from one airport to the other in about 3 hours, and then the flight back would be like 30 to 45 minutes...........why 14 hours?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:08 pm

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
EWR .... I know some flights arrive around 4am.. one example would be CO 091 TLV-EWR...

EWR isn't 24 hours either. The 91 is the first flight to pass through customs for the day (unless 83 DEL-EWR) beats them.

Customs opens at 0400 or so. If you get in earlier, you have to wait.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:27 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 18):
LAX Customs is NOT 24-hours. That is why this happened, the plane couldn't continue to LAX since Customs had closed, so they were stuck at TIJ.

The question is why Tijuana? Why not a closer airport in the U.S.?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:33 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 23):
The question is why Tijuana? Why not a closer airport in the U.S.?

What US airport do you suggest at 1230am??

Obviosuly if the flight could have, it would have made the additional 125miles to LAX.

As mentioned in reply 18 the only other real airport in between was San Diego, itself however does not have customs during the night hours, and additionaly has a departure curfew so the passengers and plane would be stuck until the morning at the very earliest until they could deplane and redepart to LAX.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:39 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 24):
What US airport do you suggest at 1230am??

I really don't know to be honest. That's precisely the reason of my question.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 24):
so the passengers and plane would be stuck until the morning at the very earliest until they could deplane and redepart to LAX.

They were already stuck.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:51 pm

Tijuana was just as good.

San Diego would likely have been a bigger mess for Copa incurring both financial fines for showing up announced and getting US authorities excited in the middle of the night.

At least in TIJ there was less of a language barrier with bureaucracy, and some resourceful passengers managed to deplane and make it to the US border on their own and catch flights to LAX in the morning.

However why Copa was stuck in TIJ till 2pm I am not sure considering a replacement crew was driven down from LA. Even in "bad" traffic should be able to make it on 3 hours safely, and I doubt there was much traffic in the middle of the night between LA and the Mexican border.


On a somewhat different note, I have seen Mexicana and AeroMexico over the years divert or land short in both Tijuana or Mexicali when LA experiences weather problems instead of continuing and possibly getting stuck at other US airports.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:17 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 24):
Obviosuly if the flight could have, it would have made the additional 125miles to LAX.

About 15 minutes flight ?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 1):
Are there any U.S. airports where customs are open 24 hours a day?

Only 2. JFK and MIA

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 6):
LAX among many others. A lot of them.

Incorrect. Only JFK and MIA

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 26):

At least in TIJ there was less of a language barrier with bureaucracy

I doubt that Copa would send crews that aren't fluent in English and I doubt SAN and ONT are ever without staff that speak Spanish.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
Incorrect. Only JFK and MIA

I know that since reply 13.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 26):

At least in TIJ there was less of a language barrier with bureaucracy



Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
I doubt that Copa would send crews that aren't fluent in English and I doubt SAN and ONT are ever without staff that speak Spanish.

They also have the option to talk Spanglish (just kidding).
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:44 pm

Slow news day perhaps?

No excuse for the treatment to passengers, but this was blown out of proportion by the media.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting CM767 (Reply 31):
but this was blown out of proportion by the media.

Probably yes. But they are saying the truth.


The information is accurate.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting Phllax (Reply 9):
One would think if they had enough fuel to get to TIJ that they could make it to SAN

My question exactly...
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:59 am

Interesting discussion regarding USCBP hours at LAX. As several posters have already mentioned, LAX FIS' do not operate 24 hours. However, the facilities are available beyond the operating hours for OSO. Text below is copied from a USCBP letter addressed to international carriers at LAX:

"Flights will not be processed outside the established hours at TBIT without the approval of the Assistant Port Director, Passenger Operations. Requests for service outside of the established hours at TBIT, due to an unscheduled arrival time must be communicated to the operations desk at TBIT (310) xxx-xxxx. Direct your request to the CBP Watch Commander as soon as knowledge of the change is known. Please be aware that aircraft must not depart from foreign points until landing rights have been approved. Failure to follow notification and approval requirements may result in penalties."

The operating hours for the TBIT FIS is 07:00 - 00:00.

[Edited 2007-06-04 00:01:46]
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 33):
My question exactly...

I prefer to ask at what time Immigration close at SJC and if CM has enough fuel and time to get to the U.S. [their destination, instead of México].

But since reality was other, It's really not important at this time.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:10 am

Wasn't PHX or TUS or even - soon to be CM destination - GDL considered as alternates to TIJ in this case?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 36):
Wasn't PHX or TUS or even - soon to be CM destination - GDL considered as alternates to TIJ in this case?

The PTY-LAX routing takes the flight up the Mexican Coast very close to Tijuana crossing into the US just abeam Mexicali Mexico / Calexico California border.

Distances in nautical miles from Mexicali are as follows;
Tijuana: 88nm
San Diego: 99nm
Phoenix: 170nm
Los Angeles: 178nm
Tucson: 221nm

Guadalajara obviously is quite far back and would not be appropriate at this late stage in flight. I suspect any earlier fuel deficiency was considered manageable and would be watched as the flight got closer to LAX. This ultimately led to the need to divert to Tijuana.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:18 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 36):
Wasn't PHX or TUS or even - soon to be CM destination - GDL considered as alternates to TIJ in this case?

Apparently no. Is GDL [Immigration] open at that time ?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:42 pm

I'm amazed by the fact that it stood there for 14 hours being LAX not THAT far from TIJ. As they well pointed out earlier it's a 3 hour drive so...really weird. Also there are TONS AND TONS of buses that takes you from TIJ to Los Angeles for 30 USD so there's actually no excuse and probably a little bit more expensive for them to take a flight to LAX from SAN.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:53 pm

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 39):
I'm amazed by the fact that it stood there for 14 hours being LAX not THAT far from TIJ. As they well pointed out earlier it's a 3 hour drive so...really weird. Also there are TONS AND TONS of buses that takes you from TIJ to Los Angeles for 30 USD so there's actually no excuse and probably a little bit more expensive for them to take a flight to LAX from SAN.

I have another perspective.

Passengers paid for an airline ticket to LAX. A bus was not an option.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:18 pm

I was just wondering, what did the airline give the passengers? Refund? Free future flight? Anything?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 24):
What US airport do you suggest at 1230am??

Obviosuly if the flight could have, it would have made the additional 125miles to LAX.

As mentioned in reply 18 the only other real airport in between was San Diego, itself however does not have customs during the night hours, and additionaly has a departure curfew so the passengers and plane would be stuck until the morning at the very earliest until they could deplane and redepart to LAX.

They could have gotten a request to land at Miramar Naval Airstation, at least then the Military could inspect the plane and theyd have a place to stay for the night.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:27 am

Doesn't the shortest route between PTY and LAX go PTY > ADZ > Nicaragua-Honduras Caribbean border > CZM/MID > CRP > ELP/CJS > TUS/PHX > ONT > LAX ?
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 43):
Doesn't the shortest route between PTY and LAX go PTY > ADZ > Nicaragua-Honduras Caribbean border > CZM/MID > CRP > ELP/CJS > TUS/PHX > ONT > LAX ?

Probably was the route taken.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 42):

They could have gotten a request to land at Miramar Naval Airstation, at least then the Military could inspect the plane and theyd have a place to stay for the night.

It doesn't work that way. The military is not to act on domestic territory unless attacked.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 42):
They could have gotten a request to land at Miramar Naval Airstation, at least then the Military could inspect the plane and theyd have a place to stay for the night.

Landing at military station without advanced permission is not something you would want to do except in the most dire circumstance. I'd venture to guess the foreign aircraft would have spent much more then 14 hours it did in TIJ if it had shown up unannounced at Miramar.
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:53 am

Landing at TIJ isn't the question -- that was fine.

What is bizarre is that they couldn't get a crew there in three hours to fly up at 6:00am.

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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:17 am

Being Panamanian, this whole situation makes complete sense. Even though Copa is a class act, stuff still runs on that good ole' "Panama Time".
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RE: Copa LAX Pax Stuck In TIJ For 14hours.

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:00 am

Quoting B-787 (Reply 48):
this whole situation makes complete sense.

In terms of what ?
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