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Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:24 am

All this talk of demolishing entire communities around Heathrow, and there's a perfectly good strip of tarmac lying unused, right between LHR and LGW. It's called Wisley, it's a stone's throw from the M25 motorway, and it even has a VOR (Ockham)  Smile

Hope this Google Map works

Is there enough length there for A320s, B737s and the like?

As the crow flies, I make it about 12 miles from Wisley to LHR, and 15 to LGW. The maglev in Shanghai covers 18 miles in about 7 minutes. Contrast that with the time to change terminals at LHR. Maglev is insanely expensive, but how would the economics of a more conventional rail link stack up, bearing in mind that this'd link LHR and LGW - and avoid demolishing large parts of their surroundings?

Apart from the NIMBYs (and the laughable idea of a fast train in the UK), what's wrong with this? Or is it just crazy enough to work?

How would you see the traffic being split up if this came to fruition?
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:43 am

Yes the map works, but the satellite pic shows the runway is in dire need of repair  Wink

I'm sure someone could build a long enough taxiway from the main LHR complex  duck 



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Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:12 am

There's also Northolt, Biggin Hill, Weybridge, Manston, Southend, Duxford and Cambridge.. not to mention Oxford etc etc...

The problem is transport links to the cities and motorways.
Add to this congestion in the air and the ability to handle airport growth in the future... not much point spending millions if you cant maximise on it.

I think it's inevitable another major airport will emerge in london (my money is on Southend).. it already has a train station, and less than 1 hour connection to london and close to the M25.
But reality is LHR will grow as will all the others.
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:21 am

Probably last used by VC10s, so I don't doubt it! That, and the small matter of no terminal. No buildings, in fact.

But with a fast enough link, is there any reason why the extra runway construction has to happen at an existing airport? This way, the capacity gets shared, Heathrow doesn't have to destroy entire communites, Gatwick doesn't have to bulldoze any (formerly) sleepy villages, and the whole lot is linked together, giving whole new ways to use the capacity - the idea of a "super-airport" has been kicked around before, I know. How would London use a 4-runway Heathwick? (okay, four-and-a-half if we're going to do Gatwick justice  Wink )

Do it this way, and BAA gets to build another shopping mall - hell, they could even put shops on the train.  Smile
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:32 am

Quoting 6Yjjk (Reply 3):
But with a fast enough link, is there any reason why the extra runway construction has to happen at an existing airport? This way, the capacity gets shared, Heathrow doesn't have to destroy entire communites, Gatwick doesn't have to bulldoze any (formerly) sleepy villages, and the whole lot is linked together, giving whole new ways to use the capacity - the idea of a "super-airport" has been kicked around before, I know. How would London use a 4-runway Heathwick? (okay, four-and-a-half if we're going to do Gatwick justice

People already complain about the 4 hour dash from LHR to LGW... more airports just makes it messier for those connections.. and ultimately less desirable to use that city to fly.

Personally.. if I live by an airport, I expect to be moved on someday.
If I live by a train station.. I expect to be woken by trains.
If I live in the country.. I expect it to be quiet.
If I live by the Hollywood sign.. I expect loads of tourists.

These people live by Heathrow... well i'm sure the airport was there first.
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:55 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2):
There's also Northolt, Biggin Hill, Weybridge, Manston, Southend, Duxford and Cambridge.. not to mention Oxford etc etc...

Lots of possibilites, though as you say:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2):
The problem is transport links to the cities and motorways.

Do we need to link the new major airport (be it Southend or wherever) to the city? Couldn't we achieve the same thing by linking the new airport to an old one? (If that link's airside, then so much the better.) The distances involved aren't massive, certainly compared to the distance you'd have to build/upgrade to get a decent ride into the city, and could be covered very quickly indeed if the technology were right.

I think that's the problem with so much of the UK, though - we can build nice shiny things at the ends of the railways, but never get around to kicking the railway itself up the backside and building the amazingly fast links we could. Look how long it's taken to get a decent link from London to the Channel Tunnel - we're making the same mistakes with the airports. The links we have aren't good enough now, and will probably have to last 20-30 years. We don't have any decent links between the airports themselves. Nobody in a position to do anything about it seems to have the vision to do something drastic.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2):
Add to this congestion in the air

That's something that no amount of concrete can fix. Having said that, though - if (say) Heathwick were linked well enough to operate as a single entity, surely that opens up an opportunity to make the whole airspace (and runway, and terminal) usage around there more rational. For example, why go south out of London to get a flight from Gatwick to Edinburgh, which has to thread its way through the Heathrow mess? That could be done away with.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2):
But reality is LHR will grow as will all the others.

Agreed! Bring it on  Smile Can't wait for the first upload of an A380 landing at Southend  Wink
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:04 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
People already complain about the 4 hour dash from LHR to LGW... more airports just makes it messier for those connections.. and ultimately less desirable to use that city to fly.

Fair point. Why is that a four-hour dash? The technology exists to make it twenty minutes. It's this lack of decent infrastructure that's preventing us from making the best use of what we have already - though there's no doubt that airports will continue to expand.

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
These people live by Heathrow... well i'm sure the airport was there first.

I used to work at a flying school - the airfield opened in 1936. Didn't stop some 25-year-old in the village phoning to complain every time we did night training, though. Snarl.
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:28 am

Quoting 6YJJK (Reply 6):
Why is that a four-hour dash?

Reality... :
Get out of customs, collection luggage = 20 mins
Find bus station = 10 minutes
Queue for bus ticket = 20 minutes
Wait for bus = 20 minutes
bus is late = 15 minutes
driver needs to pee = 5 minutes.
load luggage on bus (throw out anything smashed in luggage) = 5 minutes
Bus driver reads out rules of traveling by bus = 5 minutes
some guy doesnt speak english = 5 minutes
another guy wants to goto Glasgow = 5 minutes
kid needs the loo = 5 minutes
someelse farts = 5 minutes.
Bus leaves LHR for M25 = 5 minutes
Roadworks on M25 = 20 minutes
traffic jam on M25 =20 minutes
chav causes accident = 20 minutes
police close motorway is not included.
bus driver misses exit = 10 minutes

...
...
arrive LGW.. flight has already left.
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RE: LHR Third Runway - Already Built? ;)

Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:53 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):
If I live by the Hollywood sign.. I expect loads of tourists.

Funny story with that, the local residents made it so that tourist were discouraged from visiting the sign. And it worked.

Anyway, I think that LHR, and LGW both need to be torn down, and have operations combined in a new airport capable of handling traffic for both, and be expandable for the traffic needs up to 2200. I don't get why the area around Gatwick, which seems to be rural-ish, would be so hard to get a good airport built.

oh yeah, thoes fu*king nimbys!!!
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:03 pm

If they ever did build a new London airport, they would be better off building it to the North of London, ideally somewhere near the M1/A1 and the East Coast Main line so that would allow better transport links to the majority of the country as well as London.

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Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:20 pm

BAA should just buy up houses in Sipson as they go on the market and that will ease their NIMBY problems with a third runway at LHR. Better yet, appraise the houses in Sipson, offer every owner 15% above market value. Perhaps half will sell. Then half the local shops close and more sell. Then the rest of the shops close and yet more sell. Soon, there won't be much of a NIMBY problem.
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):
I'm sure someone could build a long enough taxiway from the main LHR complex

It'd probably only be about as long as the taxi from the gates at AMS to the Polderbaan  duck   Wink

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Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:13 pm

I don't see why anyone would want another tiny London airport. The vast majority of people want an on-time flights and better connectivity to the existing airports, LHR in particular. The BAA either needs to take a hardline approach to the third runway or alternatively more stealthy tactics as Zvendza mentioned.
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:29 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12):
or alternatively more stealthy tactics as Zvendza mentioned.

I'm not suggesting stealth. "Hello. We're from BAA. The appraisers say your house is worth GBP200K. We're willing to give you 230K. You can buy a nicer house somewhere without airport noise. Don't decide now. Here's my business card."
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:31 pm

What is this place? Seems abandoned, has no buildings or facilities. Was it a general aviation field, a former airbase?

Anyway, London does not need yet another small airport, 5 are enough already. It needs one big airport, with 4 runways, be it an expansion of an existing one or completely new. It's the only way to solve the problem.
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting R2rho (Reply 14):
It needs one big airport, with 4 runways, be it an expansion of an existing one or completely new. It's the only way to solve the problem.

A third runway at LHR would help tremendously.
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:36 pm

Quoting R2rho (Reply 14):
What is this place? Seems abandoned, has no buildings or facilities. Was it a general aviation field, a former airbase?

It was used to support wartime bomber production at Brooklands in WWII, and then used by Vickers as a test field, including testing of the BAC111 and VC-10. It was shut down in 1972.

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Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
A third runway at LHR would help tremendously.

I am sure its just a matter of time before it happens, the last thing we need in the South East is another Airport. Lets just concentrate on what we have, particularly at LHR.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 2):
There's also Northolt, Biggin Hill, Weybridge

Weybridge?

Even in the sixties, the runway was only sufficient to take VC10's the short hop to Wisley, and there is an active railway on an embankment at one end.

However, it's mostly built on now - some of Brooklands' old racing track embankment remains but that would be some hairy landing! The last thing of substance to land there was the museum's Vanguard a few years back.

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:38 am

Wouldn't it rather be a fourth runway?  Wink
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:45 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 4):


These people live by Heathrow... well i'm sure the airport was there first.

Here is the issue I have about that. Complaining about noise when you move close to an airport is idiotic, however, complaining about being taken to expand one is valid. If a government decides to allow development around an airport by either not buying the land or not zoning it for airport specific use, the people who move into communities that develop around the airport are reasonably relying on the government to not move them when they realize the airport is not big enough.
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:19 am

http://jct001.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/page5.html

Wisley would make a good airport for low cost airlines like Ryanair or Easyjet. Close to the M25 and A3, and rair within a couple of miles. A 6690 foot runway would be good for A320/737 flights.

Probably would never happen with all the NIMBY's in the area, plus there are some fancy homes close to where the hangers used to be.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:19 am

I live near LHR and I don't care if they build another runway,its called development and helping the economy grow,and also pure safety.If people don't like it then move!
Anyway LHR has a 3rd runway (23-07) so technically speaking it would be a 4th runway!
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 22):
LHR has a 3rd runway (23-07) so technically speaking it would be a 4th runway!

Not anymore. It's a taxiway now.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:54 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):
Not anymore. It's a taxiway now.

That must have been very recently,I remember a couple of years a 744 landing on it!
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):
Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 22):
LHR has a 3rd runway (23-07) so technically speaking it would be a 4th runway!

Not anymore. It's a taxiway now.

Assume you mean 23-05. Even when it was a runway, it wasn't used very often.


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Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 25):
Even when it was a runway, it wasn't used very often.

okay, I am curious, the reg on the Northwest a/c says N373US which is mentioned in other websites (e.g. jetphotos) and the following manufacturer data is given:

N373US
cn 22952
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which is the same as
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which is a 737-3B7 ? Do aircraft registrations get reused ? I thought that the two letter suffixes for Northwest aircraft end in NW ?

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:39 am

I think the xwind runway could only be used at 23. I don't think it was declared at 05.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting R2rho (Reply 14):
Anyway, London does not need yet another small airport, 5 are enough already. It needs one big airport, with 4 runways, be it an expansion of an existing one or completely new. It's the only way to solve the problem.

Heathrow should be expanded to 4 runways, and STN and LGW should be expanded to 2 runways. With open skies, low cost transatlantic hubs could be developed at LGW and STN if there were more runways.
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting BOACVC10 (Reply 26):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 25):
Even when it was a runway, it wasn't used very often.

okay, I am curious, the reg on the Northwest a/c says N373US which is mentioned in other websites (e.g. jetphotos) and the following manufacturer data is given:

As far as I know, registrations in the U.S. are often reused. Once a registration is cancelled (aircraft sold, retired, scrapped etc.), I believe anyone can apply to have it reassigned and if not mistaken the FAA only charges $10 for a change of registration.

Many NW aircraft have or had registrations ending in US. Most earlier NW jet types, at least those purchased new, had registrations ending in US, including DC-8, 707, 720, 727, DC-10-40, 747-100/200/400, plus the Lockheed L188 Electra. Some 757s, A320s and a small number of DC-9s also have "US" registrations.

NW's 36 707s (5 -320B and 31 -320C) were registered N351US through N386US inclusive. They also had 17 720Bs registered N721US through N737US.

P.S. Following from FAA site with info on N numbers:
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...ircraft_registry/special_nnumbers/

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:56 pm

Runway 05/23 was decommissioned last year, IIRC. It is used as a taxiway now. The approach lighting fixtures leading to it are still in place though.

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:27 pm

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 22):
I live near LHR and I don't care if they build another runway,its called development and helping the economy grow,and also pure safety.If people don't like it then move!

What a diplomatic response!  banghead  Tell you what, let's just knock down London and make it one big airport!  duck  The same can be done with Manhatten for EWR & JFK, and Paris for CDG & ORY! It's all needs to be about considered expansion. Why keep extending legacy airports like LHR & LGW, when new a/c like the 787 & XWB will make MAN, GLA and the likes more open to new routes and passenger growth?

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 30):
Runway 05/23 was decommissioned last year, IIRC. It is used as a taxiway now. The approach lighting fixtures leading to it are still in place though.

Yup, and i never remember 05 being used, just 23 coming in over the M4 motorway - made for some interesting landings and hard braking action with T4 looming straight ahead!  eyepopping 

Let's face it, a 3rd runway at LHR, and a 2nd at LGW & STN WILL happen. However, a more open, imaginative approach to transport is also needed, such as better infrastructure linking the 4 airports - a monorail above the M1/M25/M23 for example, with stops at each airport.
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:55 pm

Does anyone know if there are any photos (apart from the one already posted) of landings on RWY23?
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:01 pm

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
A third runway at LHR would help tremendously.



Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 28):

Heathrow should be expanded to 4 runways

Sure. Totally agree. But where to put them? Don't you think that, given the circumstances, LHR has reached its limit and can't be helped anymore? Thinking long-term, wouldn't it be better to rethink the London airport system from scratch and either seriously expand one of the others as a transcontinental airport or find a site for a new large airport?
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:07 pm

LHR has reached its limits,how can they keep offering airlines slots,its becoming far too dangerous already?
 
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Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:16 pm

I say, have a really fast train link from LHR to the proposed site in the thread starter.

Build a small, ticket, check-in, baggage-claim, arrival hall and customs (bagage would be transported on train as well) only terminal at LHR. Have a fast train link to the other site, have a huge terminal there, and have planes from that terminal depart there and arrive there. Big grin

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Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 34):
LHR has reached its limits,how can they keep offering airlines slots,its becoming far too dangerous already?

I disagree. Better avionics would allow both tighter slots and higher safety.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:44 am

Quoting R2rho (Reply 33):
Sure. Totally agree. But where to put them? Don't you think that, given the circumstances, LHR has reached its limit and can't be helped anymore? Thinking long-term, wouldn't it be better to rethink the London airport system from scratch and either seriously expand one of the others as a transcontinental airport or find a site for a new large airport?

You're talking about England not Texas. It's a lot harder to find large undeveloped land near a big city like London. LHR already has ground transportaion links. There's enough land nearby to add a couple more runways if you buy out current owners.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 36):
I disagree. Better avionics would allow both tighter slots and higher safety.

And the improved avionics would make even more slots available if additional runways allowed narrow body and regional jets on the new runways while only heavies use the older longer runways.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:12 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
however, complaining about being taken to expand one is valid. If a government decides to allow development around an airport by either not buying the land or not zoning it for airport specific use, the people who move into communities that develop around the airport are reasonably relying on the government to not move them when they realize the airport is not big enough.

It depends.. if my house is worth £200k and they offer me £250k to move thats cool.
If my house is worth £200k and it devalues to £50km knowing there's an airport coming, and then the government gives me £40k after removing charging me to demolish it.. then it's a rip off.

As long as it's the first one, thats cool by me, unfortunately becuase the government usually does the latter thats why you get so many nimby's and protestors delaying the whole job.
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:51 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):

Here is the issue I have about that. Complaining about noise when you move close to an airport is idiotic, however, complaining about being taken to expand one is valid. If a government decides to allow development around an airport by either not buying the land or not zoning it for airport specific use, the people who move into communities that develop around the airport are reasonably relying on the government to not move them when they realize the airport is not big enough.

Well, for starters, nobody says that an airport is de facto owned by a government. It could also be the case that there has always been housing zoning, and the zoning made for airport growth has already been used by expansion of the airport. People moving to a house near an airport (especially one with so constrained operation capabilities like LHR), should expect that an expansion is possible. This probability is reflected in the house prices at any given time, hence the very good offer that made the poor family move close to the airport, was in fact just reflecting the fact that the conditions of the property in the future might change.

Of course it's a shame for those people, but I would certainly prefer to look at the greater picture. The gain for society is much larger than the loss for the expropriated property owners. Make a fair compensation, that is pay them market value of their property and eventually a small premium. No one should really be that bad off then, except for the a.nutters that are forced to move away from beneath the approach  Wink
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 39):
No one should really be that bad off then, except for the a.nutters that are forced to move away from beneath the approach

Move to below the new approach.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting FlyingClrs727 (Reply 28):
Heathrow should be expanded to 4 runways, and STN and LGW should be expanded to 2 runways. With open skies, low cost transatlantic hubs could be developed at LGW and STN if there were more runways.

STN and LGW will probably get 2nd runways, and LHR a 3rd.

LTN recently applied for a 2nd runway didn't it? That'll be be interesting! Probably more lost cost services from LTN than anywhere else.


Back to the original post, they could just make a maglev between LTN, LHR and LGW. Cost a huge amount of money, but more than expansion? If they really wanted it could be underground - just look at the CTRL - it's technically possible.

So why don't they do it? Because no one will invest that much money in a (in one) project. Everything has to be expanded piece by piece by different companies, even if it costs more long term.

The maglev is interesting, because if the price of the technology falls significantly, the option might be much more viable in 20 years.

[Edited 2007-06-03 22:25:12]
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 41):

The maglev is interesting, because if the price of the technology falls significantly, the option might be much more viable in 20 years.

The usual chicken-and-egg problem, though. This maglev link probably wouldn't happen till the cost came down - but such a massive scheme might be jsut the sort of kick-start the technology needs. Which, in turn, would make intra-UK rail travel even more competitive, freeing up slots at airports and buying time to do the next generation of airport right.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:51 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 27):
I think the xwind runway could only be used at 23. I don't think it was declared at 05.

Although in recent years it has only been used as 23, many years ago 05 was in use.
I seem to remember that the BOAC B707 that crashed at LHR on fire in 1968? landed on 05.
 
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Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:56 pm

Quoting 6YJJK (Thread starter):
It's called Wisley

Yes, I used to go spotting at Wisley in the mid 60s. There was a hill just off the E end of the runway and you could sit there and watch the VC10s coming straight at you. But they disappeared from sight at one point as the runway was so hilly!!!
I was also there during the Daily Mail Transatlantic air race in 1968? Watched a RAF Phantom land there in a hurry, bursting some tyres, as the pilot scrambled out into a helicopter to continue on to London.
That was when the P1127 (old Harrier) landed in a coal yard at Kings Cross.