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Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:00 am

I fly frequently with Southwest and is very happy with their schedule and service. On my recent flight from BUR-LAS on flight 294, on May 29th the following occurred. Due to the rather short flight, the crew decided to hand out peanuts before take-off. Five minutes later, the crew came to collect the peanuts because this was a non – peanut flight. We wore told some of the passengers had allergy against peanuts. I know this problem very well, 3 of my 4 children have serious food allergies and I know how dangerous allergic reactions can be. When I travel with my children I take responsibility for their heath, and I would never dream of imposing restriction on my fellow passenger as a result of my children’s medical condition. With this experience in mind, does this mean that I could request a non-dairy flight? No coffee with cream, no crackers with lactose, no chocolate, no cheese etc.
Does anyone know is this is common practice among airliners. I can do without the peanuts, I just think the whole situation was silly.

[Edited 2007-06-03 00:19:20]

[Edited 2007-06-03 00:20:57]
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:10 am

Does WN have a BUR-LAX flight? NO!
Flight 339 is from BUR-SMF. And that isn't too short of a flight to not serve peanuts.
If you are allergic to peanuts then say you don't want some. And if someone requests that they are allergic to peanut dust, WN will probably serve crackers. I don't know WN's policies.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:19 am

Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
Does anyone know is this is common practice among airliners.

Yes, in fact. Some carriers have banned peanuts altogether simply to eliminate the issue you discuss. Someone on board has a peanut allergy, and it's not a problem. Peanuts simply aren't served by that carrier any longer.

There are people with such horrendous allergies to peanuts, even the smell can set them into fits.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:21 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Does WN have a BUR-LAX flight? NO!
Flight 339 is from BUR-SMF. And that isn't too short of a flight to not serve peanuts.
If you are allergic to peanuts then say you don't want some. And if someone requests that they are allergic to peanut dust, WN will probably serve crackers. I don't know WN's policies.

Sorry should be BUR-LAS flight 294- post corrected.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
With this experience in mind, does this mean that I could request a non-dairy flight? No coffee with cream, no crackers with lactose, no chocolate, no cheese etc.

I don't think so...the reason being, it's peanut dust that can cause a severge allergic reaction. I could be wrong (I often am), but I think you actually have to consume dairy products for the reaction to occur - you can really pick up milk dust in the air.

Quoting Pdxcof9 (Reply 1):
If you are allergic to peanuts then say you don't want some. And if someone requests that they are allergic to peanut dust, WN will probably serve crackers. I don't know WN's policies.

I think pretzels are the standard substitute. They are on every flight anyways for those people who are allergic to peanuts (but not allergic enough to need a peanut-free flight) and for those who prefer them (like me!)
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Yes, in fact. Some carriers have banned peanuts altogether simply to eliminate the issue you discuss. Someone on board has a peanut allergy, and it's not a problem. Peanuts simply aren't served by that carrier any longer.

There are people with such horrendous allergies to peanuts, even the smell can set them into fits.

I know what you are saying, my children will have the same reaction towards dairy products, milk etc. So why make peanuts special. When I come to allergies the amount consumed does not make any difference. You would have the same reaction to 1/100 of a nut as the whole bag. My point however, you will always find someone who is allergic to something and peanuts are not anything more special than milk. I do not make my fellow passengers change their habits just because my children have a medical problem.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
No coffee with cream, no crackers with lactose, no chocolate, no cheese etc.

These type of allergies simply cannot be compared to a peanut allergy. The peanut allergy is marked by extreme sensitivity compared to others. It's not just about not eating peanuts, but staying as far away as them as possible. Open peanuts in a relatively small environment like an aircraft cabin is definitely a legitimate health concern. Oh, and by the way, lactose intolerance is not a food allergy.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:34 am

God get over it...it is just freking peanuts......your that selfish that you cannot go with out peanuts for a short flight.....I have yet to see anyone die from lactose intolerance in under 5 mins....Peanuts allergies can and do kill very fast.....faster than an airplan can land....

We make smokers go with out ciggarettes but lets not make people go without peanuts....

Never ceases to amaze me what people will compain about....

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:41 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 6):
These type of allergies simply cannot be compared to a peanut allergy



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 6):
These type of allergies simply cannot be compared to a peanut allergy. The peanut allergy is marked by extreme sensitivity compared to others

No difference, you can have the same type of senitivity towards other types of food as peanuts.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 7):
God get over it...it is just freking peanuts......your that selfish that you cannot go with out peanuts for a short flight

Its not about peanuts its about being responsible for you own condition rather than make everybody suffer.

[Edited 2007-06-03 00:45:07]
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:53 am

Quoting B707321C (Reply 8):

No difference, you can have the same type of senitivity towards other types of food as peanuts.

Thats not true. There is a major difference in the severity of peanut allergies. In fact, 80% of fatal or near fatal allergic reactions are from peanuts.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:01 am

Personally, if I were headed to Vegas, the last thing I'd care about was whether or not I got my peanuts on the flight out there. But hey - that's just me.  Embarrassment

Quoting Pdxcof9 (Reply 1):
Does WN have a BUR-LAX flight? NO!

Was the "NO!" really neccessary? I mean, honestly. Take a chill pill, buddy.  butthead 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 9):
In fact, 80% of fatal or near fatal allergic reactions are from peanuts.

That has nothing to do with severity, but rather that peanut allergi is more common than other types.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting B707321C (Reply 11):
That has nothing to do with severity, but rather that peanut allergi is more common than other types.

Um, no, completely wrong again. Those numbers on death and severe occurrences are completely disproportionate to the percentage of people with peanut allergies. At the very most, 25% of food allergies are peanut allergies.

I suggest you make yourself more informed on this matter so you can make real contributions to this discussion.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:45 am

Bring your own snacks on the plane. Problem solved!
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:50 am

I was on a B6 flight where the FAs came on and announced that because there was a passenger with a serious nut allergy that they would not be serving any snacks containing peanuts on the flight.

It was fine with me. I just had the animal crackers!  Wink

The last thing I would have wanted to see was someone getting seriously ill because of their allergy. Better to be safe in that situation.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:02 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 4):

I don't think so...the reason being, it's peanut dust that can cause a severge allergic reaction. I could be wrong (I often am), but I think you actually have to consume dairy products for the reaction to occur - you can really pick up milk dust in the air.

You are esentially correct, HOWEVER;

There is a key difference between Peatnut allergy and Lactose Intolerance. Peanut allergy is caused by an allergin known as "Peanut 1". Severety varies from person to person, and it is an immunological response. It occurs becasue the immune system "reacts disproportionately to the level of threat" which the allergin presents. The human immune system has a "primary" and a "secondary" response. Secondary response is much quicker because the anti-bodies are already synthysed (these are known as "memoty cells"). Hence why you see such severe and immediate responses to peantus, cod fish, shrimp and even soy.

Lactose intolerance, on the other hand is a deffiency in an enzyme. Lactose Intolerance is, in actual fact, the correct form of the gene. The gene responsible for transcribing Lactase is normally switched off as one passes through adolesence, and into adulthood. But in many North Europeans this does not happen. People with lactose intolerance, are not, as such, allergic to milk or dairy. They simply do not posses an enzyme to dreak down lactose into glucose, and associated products. Therefore it remains in the lumen of the gut, where bacteria act on it. Thus the bloated sensation, flatulence and diarrhoea.

Quoting B707321C (Reply 5):
When I come to allergies the amount consumed does not make any difference. You would have the same reaction to 1/100 of a nut as the whole bag. My point however, you will always find someone who is allergic to something and peanuts are not anything more special than milk. I do not make my fellow passengers change their habits just because my children have a medical problem.

No, the amount consumed wont necessarily be directly proportional to the amount consumed. Once the response has begun, it takes its own course. A good dose of adrenaline (epinepherine) and steriods should help the patient back to health.

Quoting B707321C (Reply 11):
That has nothing to do with severity, but rather that peanut allergi is more common than other types.

Not correct. It has everything to do with severity. The response varies very much between people, and from one anaphalaxis to the next. I have heard of cases where the meere smell of peanut brings on the reaction. It would also be concieveable that even the sight of peanuts could bring on a reaction, if one had already occured when that person ate peanuts in the past. Although I could not say if such an event has actually occured.

Hope I have cleared up a few 'urban myths'

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 15):
You are esentially correct, HOWEVER;

There is a key difference between Peatnut allergy and Lactose Intolerance. Peanut allergy is caused by an allergin known as "Peanut 1". Severety varies from person to person, and it is an immunological response. It occurs becasue the immune system "reacts disproportionately to the level of threat" which the allergin presents. The human immune system has a "primary" and a "secondary" response. Secondary response is much quicker because the anti-bodies are already synthysed (these are known as "memoty cells"). Hence why you see such severe and immediate responses to peantus, cod fish, shrimp and even soy.

Lactose intolerance, on the other hand is a deffiency in an enzyme. Lactose Intolerance is, in actual fact, the correct form of the gene. The gene responsible for transcribing Lactase is normally switched off as one passes through adolesence, and into adulthood. But in many North Europeans this does not happen. People with lactose intolerance, are not, as such, allergic to milk or dairy. They simply do not posses an enzyme to dreak down lactose into glucose, and associated products. Therefore it remains in the lumen of the gut, where bacteria act on it. Thus the bloated sensation, flatulence and diarrhoea.

Dang...way above my knowledge!  Wink
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:10 am

This whole issue poses a real problem for my family when we travel. So far we have switched primarily to driving for vacations, and when we do fly with the allergic family member we don't go Southwest (my preferred business airline). Even if a Southwest flight were declared "no nuts", my belief is that there is so much peanut dust ground into the carpet and seats that a severely allergic person would still be at risk.

I have no idea how this problem can be solved (there are some promising lines of cure for peanut allergy, but IMHO they are at least 10 years away). Even with a nut allergy in the family I don't think it is fair to try to bludgeon other people into following our restrictions. Yet having people restricted to driving distance for the rest of their lives through no fault of their own is a bit harsh too.

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:11 am

I do not know about you guys but I am not going on any plane unless I can bring my nuts with me on board. LOL JK JK Don't lynch me I could not resist. In seriousness though peanut dust is a big risk on an airplane if you have a passenger that is allergic. Than you have a lawsuit but I do miss eagle nuts on USAirways.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:12 am

Yes, we cater to people who request a no-peanut flight...and I agree 100% GET OVER IT!

You specifically used the word "suffer" in regards to getting no peanuts....most carriers don't offer ANYTHING on flights are short as ours so you're lucky to get anything at all. ALSO, most carriers don't offer peanuts anymore either.

I do think it's a bit rediculous that you'd fly WN if you had a peanut dust allergy because we serve peanuts ALL day most days and they get all over everything....so even if we do pretzel service instead there's peanut dust everywhere.....HOWEVER, the ocmpany has chosen to honor this request....probably to avoid legal action, but, in the end what's the big deal?
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:27 am

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 13):
Bring your own snacks on the plane. Problem solved!

Wrong, problem worse, as then there's uncontrolled peanuts aboard if that's what you bring. I often by trail mix at LAX T6 and it is full of peanuts and other nuts processed in peanut plants...

Quoting Sphealey (Reply 17):
Yet having people restricted to driving distance for the rest of their lives through no fault of their own is a bit harsh too.

This is really more of a modern problem because in the past, people with such allergies would die at a very young age without people knowing the cause. I don't know the answer to how to deal with it, because it is not fair to the world to ban foods because someone is so sensitive that being near them can kill them, but I also wouldn't want to be responsible for killing anyone with my peanuts.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:42 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
Wrong, problem worse, as then there's uncontrolled peanuts aboard if that's what you bring. I often by trail mix at LAX T6 and it is full of peanuts and other nuts processed in peanut plants...

Then thats THEIR problem. I bought a ticket, I have a right to eat any damn thing I want. If they dont like it they can get off the plane.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:49 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 19):
most carriers don't offer ANYTHING on flights are short as ours so you're lucky to get anything at all

I agree with you here. The only time I flew WN was last summer, OAK-RNO-OAK. I give the crews full credit, they did a full beverage service both ways. Taking into account takeoff and landing, the actual service time must be barely over 25 mins. Those who wanted alcohol, even got that too. Living in Canada, it is difficult for me to fly Southwest often, believe me when I get the occasion I will.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:57 am

> This is really more of a modern problem because in the past, people with such
> allergies would die at a very young age without people knowing the cause.'

Interestingly enough that turns out not to be the case. The entire issue of food allergies in general, and nut allergies in particular, is very bizarre, counterintuitive, and not well understood by science. However, one thing that is known is that nut allergies have increased by a factor of 3x - 5x throughout the developed world (not just the United States) since 1970. No one knows why.

> I don't know the answer to how to deal with it, because it is not fair to the
> world to ban foods because someone is so sensitive that being near them
> can kill them,

Keeping in mind that I agree with your general point, one thing that you find when you have to check every package is that food processing companies have taken to adding nuts and/or nut products into a very large percentage of packaged foods - many that you would never suspect if you didn't check the label. Presumably they do this to get some protein without raising the bad fat levels too much, but the practice is also a bit bizarre when you figure it out.

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:24 am

Quoting AY104 (Reply 22):
Then thats THEIR problem. I bought a ticket, I have a right to eat any damn thing I want. If they dont like it they can get off the plane.

You bought a ticket....you have the right to do ANYTHING that won't affect another passenger and is within the confines of the law.

Eating nuts has become a bit like smoking, it's not something that can necessarily be kept to oneself. If you're so BOLD and UNCARING as to purposefuly compromise the health of someone else just to flex your "IT'S MY RIGHT" muscle....then the only point you're making is that you're a jerk.

Remember this little tantrum you all are having over PEANUTS next time the aircraft diverts b/c a poor little 6 y/o kid goes into shock (been there...it wasn't pretty).

The more I read from some of you the less faith I have in the general population. People are so selfish, lazy, uncaring, inconsiderate, unappreciative, conceited, rude......it's disgusting. The fact that ANYONE is even arguing for their RIGHT to eat a nut...in a plane....on a short flight (as originally posted) and KNOWINGLY compromising the health and safety of someone else....proves my stance on the population.

[Edited 2007-06-03 03:26:25]
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:34 am

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 12):
Those numbers on death and severe occurrences are completely disproportionate to the percentage of people with peanut allergies.

Not the point, you can have equally strong reaction to other products. eg. dairy products.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 12):
I suggest you make yourself more informed on this matter so you can make real contributions to this discussion.

I just love that kind of statement, I have dealt with these kind of problems in real life since before you wore born, and I am still learning new things every day. Sorry to hear that you are not.

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 19):
HOWEVER, the ocmpany has chosen to honor this request....probably to avoid legal action, but, in the end what's the big deal?

I was just waiting for this comment - legal action - that is matters.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:40 am

Amen to WNCrew. "I have the right to eat anything I want..." Another all-about-me idiot without a shred of common decency. Someone in row 1 eating peanuts can send someone in row 32 into anaphylactic shock. Then comes the divert and the possible fatality of an actual living breathing person. This scenario is real and yet people bitch about not getting peanuts. Unbelievable.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:54 am

As a person with many allergies:

Peanut allergies can be very serious - and yes even the exposure to peanut dust can cause very severe reactions in some people - and can cause death. It is a very real problem with people with that level of allergic reaction to peanuts. Fortunately, my peanut allergies are not that bad.

The thing that I am most reactive to is Cat - and at a level about as bad as some people have peanut allergies. I usually start visibly swelling up and turning red and in about 10 minutes in a house with cats - or even one that previously had cats. I can also severely react to someone who has a lot of cat hair and dander on their clothing. I know another person who is also equally reactive to Cats.

My solution is that i avoid at all cost houses with cats - and yes even people with a lot of cats. While I have never had to do it on a flight - I would quickly request a re-seating should I be seated next to someone who had a lot of cat on them (and start hitting the drugs I carry to somewhat control the short term few minute exposure - which will actually take days to fully subside). Otherwise I'd probably be hauled off the plane on a stretcher if I was not able to quickly relocate.

I carry my own food on planes and even the bulk of food that I will eat in my checked in luggage when I travel due my various food allergies.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:27 am

Quoting B707321C (Reply 25):
Not the point, you can have equally strong reaction to other products. eg. dairy products.

this might be true, but peanut allergies can be picked up from peanut dust travelling through the plane, and they can cause deadly reactions. Lactose intolerance is also a problem, ONLY if it is CONSUMED.

Now, let's get on with our lives, and stop worring about some freaking PEANUTS

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting Eagle11 (Reply 14):
I was on a B6 flight where the FAs came on and announced that because there was a passenger with a serious nut allergy that they would not be serving any snacks containing peanuts on the flight.

It was fine with me. I just had the animal crackers!

I agree, peanuts are great, animal crackers better. I think that the staff should have just served animal crackers and not essentially called someone out. Not that they pointed to a specific customer or mentioned the seat number, but just serving animal crackers would have sufficed. Just my opinion.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 15):
There is a key difference between Peanut allergy and Lactose Intolerance

There is a milk allergy. Luckily not widespread. Also, no dust factor involved with this one.

With the amount of peanut allergies these days, it's just replaced with some other snack. Suits me fine. Like many other changes/procedures in this and all industries, menial in the great scheme of things.

I am not sure of the amount of diversions for peanut allergies that have occurred. Apparently not too many or WN would have gotten rid of them. Even without a diversion, I doubt the peanuts are causing too many problems on flights, though enough for some airlines to ax the nuts.

If someone has a peanut allergy, taking a couple of Benadryl before the flight will probably stave a reaction. There are exceptions to everything, but I suspect this work for most of the people.

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:50 pm

Its the "Peanut Free Option" that allows us to serve Peanuts in the first place! During the mid 90's airlines were asked to establish "Peanut Free Zones" which in impractical for our business model. So we established a policy of a customer requesting a "Peanut Free Flight " if they have a dust allergy. If we didn't make this provision we could not serve peanuts at all! other carriers have ditched peanuts. I have found a way to appease the passenger who really wants peanuts but can't have any on these particular flights. I simply hand tham a bag of peanuts as they are leaving the AC at the end of the Peanut-Free Flight . Problems solved!
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:52 pm

Wait, you mean to tell me that on some airplanes, they actually hand out edible food; for FREE?

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:08 pm

I know of a girl who kissed her boyfriend on the lips. She died right after that. Cause?

Her boyfriend ate peanuts a couple of hours before and it cause a reaction so severe she died in his arms in the car.

I say if someone can be accomidated for their allergys on a flight then I'm for it. I am not the center of the universe on the plane and I wouldn't want anyone to be put in any danger or myself.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:29 pm

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 32):
I know of a girl who kissed her boyfriend on the lips. She died right after that. Cause?

Wasn't it that she ate the candy bar and he died? But yes, I remember hearing that a year or two ago.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:34 pm

Let's see...

Option #1: I only get pretzels on the hour long flight instead of peanuts, even though on most airlines I'd get exactly no food at all.
Option #2: I and the other passengers get peanuts, severely endangering another passenger on the plane to the point that he/she could possibly die from an allergic reaction.

I think I'll happily choose Option #1, thanks! I can't believe anyone would be so selfish as to complain about not getting peanuts on such a short flight when it would be endangering a fellow passenger to do so.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:49 pm

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 24):
Eating nuts has become a bit like smoking, it's not something that can necessarily be kept to oneself.

Wow. Comparing the effects and severity of second-hand smoke and peanuts in the cabin? Congratulations on the overstatement of the year.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:14 pm

Just on a lighter note, you mean to tell me there's someone here that actually wants the peanuts?? Man, I'm so happy when they don't serve peanuts... give me the plane crackers or the honey-maid bars in the morning any day!!!!  Silly
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:21 pm

Back when I was in middle school, I knew someone who died of a severe peanut allergy. A very small amount of peanut dust or residue in food can cause someone to go into shock and die. Going peanut free is an extreme measure in some cases, but you don't want the chance of an epileptic seizure on a plane since you might have a shot of epinepherine available, but you still need to get to a hospital. Going peanut free is good for safety. If your child could die because someone a row behind her was eating peanuts, and dust was circulating, then I think it is warranted.

The problem with Southwest declaring peanut free flights is that it is open seating. They don't know where people sit, so they make the whole plane safe. This is different from other airlines that have assigned seating that can declare a few peanut free rows.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 6):
by the way, lactose intolerance is not a food allergy.



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 15):
There is a key difference between Peatnut allergy and Lactose Intolerance.



Quoting CXfirst (Reply 28):
Lactose intolerance is also a problem, ONLY if it is CONSUMED

Lactose intolerance is not a food allergy, correct. Milk allergy IS, and there is such a thing, apart from lactose intolerance, and I should know. One causes digestive discomfort, the other causes rash, respiratory distress, and possible shock, much the same as a peanut allergy. (I don't know if "milk dust" ever caused a problem, however, and it probably does have to be consumed.) Don't worry, it's a common misconception when people assume that milk allergy is the same as lactose intolerance, but milk allergy should not be dismissed. Consider yourself informed!

No peanut flights are consistent with no peanut schools. Shocking to those of us who grew up on pbj sandwiches, but the choice is to ostracize the allergic children or modify the group's diet. Then again, they could always try vegamite.

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:52 pm

Quoting B707321C (Reply 25):
Not the point, you can have equally strong reaction to other products. eg. dairy products.

DUDE! Get the following point into your damn head already!!! Numerous people have already stated the difference!!! READ!

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 28):
peanut allergies can be picked up from peanut dust travelling through the plane, and they can cause deadly reactions. Lactose intolerance is also a problem, ONLY if it is CONSUMED.


Thank you CXfirst.

Dairy allergies wont be an issue if someone 20 rows away is eating dairy products. Peanut allergies on the other hand, CAN be a big issue 20 rows away.

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:12 pm

I just bring a bag of licorice for myself. Red vines FTW.
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:53 pm

Quoting Sphealey (Reply 23):
The entire issue of food allergies in general, and nut allergies in particular, is very bizarre, counterintuitive, and not well understood by science. However, one thing that is known is that nut allergies have increased by a factor of 3x - 5x throughout the developed world (not just the United States) since 1970. No one knows why.

There is a school of thought that because we now live in a world where we are exposed to fewer and fewer allergins, the immune system is not as good at differentiating between harmless and harmful allergins. I guess it makes some sense.

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 24):
The more I read from some of you the less faith I have in the general population. People are so selfish, lazy, uncaring, inconsiderate, unappreciative, conceited, rude......it's disgusting. The fact that ANYONE is even arguing for their RIGHT to eat a nut...in a plane....on a short flight (as originally posted) and KNOWINGLY compromising the health and safety of someone else....proves my stance on the population.

Well said. Welcome to my RU.

Quoting B707321C (Reply 25):
Not the point, you can have equally strong reaction to other products. eg. dairy products.

You could potentially have such a strong reaction to ANYTHING. From carrots to Peanuts. Obviously some foods are more likely to be recognised incorrectly by the immune system, but anything could cause such problems.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 38):
) Don't worry, it's a common misconception when people assume that milk allergy is the same as lactose intolerance, but milk allergy should not be dismissed. Consider yourself informed!

I will, thank you! Of course, as you will be aware, Lactose Intolerance is not an allergy at all! I think some members were getting a little confused between an enzyme deffeciency and an allergy!

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:18 pm

Peanuts don't even taste good. Just offer Ritz Chips on all the flights. Those are damn tasty.
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:25 pm

Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
Five minutes later, the crew came to collect the peanuts because this was a non – peanut flight

That would have been three minutes too late to take my peanuts back  Smile Do passengers over there wait patiently for the crew to give the go ahead to open the snacks?
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting B707321C (Reply 8):
Its not about peanuts its about being responsible for you own condition rather than make everybody suffer.

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:19 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 29):
If someone has a peanut allergy, taking a couple of Benadryl before the flight will probably stave a reaction. There are exceptions to everything, but I suspect this work for most of the people.

Ignorance at its worst.


People who have severe allergies cannot control them with common antihistamines (trust me I know).

There are really only two options that I know that work:

Option 1) Take the right drugs in sufficient quantity to turn off your immune system (this can be done). The problem here is that you can get mighty sick from being exposed to a number of common viruses and other things when your immune system is turned off (I've actually been down this path.... it's no fun and I missed almost 2 weeks of work and was so ill that I almost had to be hospitalized the last time I turned off my immune systems to prevent allergy problems for a few days). Let's just say that I'm going to be real cautious before I do that again. I note that when a person is hospitalized for allergy issues that turning off the immune system (or mostly turning it off) is exactly what they do in a hospital to allow a person to recover.

Option 2) There is a relatively new genetically engineered drug on the market; Xolair. I have noticed that it significantly reduces my reactions to Cat, and I suspect it would do the same thing for peanut or other allergies due to the way it works (I no longer instantly swell up - but the long term effects are still noticeable). Xolair modifies how the immune system works - and targets turning off ,at least in part, one specific type of immune response (the kind related to most allergies). I'm currently on a light dose of this stuff - at about $2500 per month. I know of one guy on a heavier dose at about $7,500 per month (I am told that there are only 3 people in my area who is using this drug - and my Dr was amazed that the insurance company would cover it for me).

However, a person taking Xolair is susceptible to possible health issues if they run into something that they should be reacting to because of the danger it presents to the body (allergies are an over-reaction; and there is a reason that the body has that type of reaction as a key part of the immune system). I've accepted this risk - and Xolair has made a huge difference.

I am sure that most people would be more than willing to help their fellow passengers with allergies and collectively cough up a probable average of $3750 - $5000 per month for people with severe allergies who want to travel (and just live life). This is also not a drug that can be taken just prior to a flight or in flight; its a long term commitment. Certainly all the good people (especially the ones who like peanuts) would not mind making a yearly commitment to fund this drug for the people who could benefit from it.

Of course - another problem with Option 2 is that the drug was developed for and is targeted at asthma, so that if you do not have persistent and severe asthma a person with other allergies will probably never hear about its anti-allergy effects (and I doubt any insurance company would cover it for someone that did not have asthma). Note: asthma is nothing more than allergies of the lungs (your lungs are susposed to be immune from most allergins; people with asthma have lost this natural immunity and the lungs react to all kinds of normal stuff).
 
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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
On my recent flight from BUR-LAS on flight 294, on May 29th the following occurred.

Seriously on a 45 minute flight you cannot go without peanuts? It may be funny to you, but the thought of a person that is allergic to peanuts inhaling the peanut oils and residue can lead to a potentially fatal reaction. The Southwest Airlines Flight Attendants did the correct thing by taking back the peanuts.

Bravo to Southwest Airlines


Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
I can do without the peanuts, I just think the whole situation was silly.

Again it was not silly and it is truly a life or death matter.


I cant believe this topic is still ongoing after 46 responses.

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RE: Southwest - No Peanut Flight

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:40 am

This thread is done.

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