levg79
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Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:06 am

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070603/p...122515_450x310_us_usa_plot_airport

Caption says that the plane is departing JFK to ORD but the picture shows a 4-engine plane. At first I thought that the media screwed it up again. But then I clicked on the picture and it turned out to be A380 on it's JFK-ORD run a few months ago. Any reason why would they use a picture of A380 in connection with a plot to blow up JFK airport?

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IAHFLYR
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RE: Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:08 am

Because last picture they had of a huge airplane so they put 2 and 2 together maybe, I mean it is the media correct!
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N911YX
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RE: Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:37 am

Quoting Levg79 (Thread starter):

Perhaps I don't get your point. What aircraft flying into or out of JFK would you prefer to accompany the story? Seems to me the A380 is a good photo for this story.
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IADCA
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RE: Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:39 am

Most likely, somebody just searched their file photo database for "JFK" and this was one of the first ones to come up, and being picture of a plane with an American flag in the shot, they went for it.
 
2175301
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RE: Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:47 am

Could it be that since the plot involved the concept of blowing up large fuel tanks.... that the media focused on the plane that likely has the largest fuel capacity.

I am glad that the media report I saw mentioned that the people did not have the technical expertise to exercise their plot. At least they got that part right.

I wonder how much these people, and the media, understand about jet fuel (or the vast majority of other hydrocarbon products). Sorry bulk Jet fuel was not mentioned in my explosives training as something I could make detonate or even explosively conflagrate (Black Powder explosively conflagrates compared to TNT which Detonates - the difference is that Black Powder burns slower than the speed of sound in the black powder, whereas TNT and other high explosives burn faster than the speed of sound in the TNT or other high explosive). Of course the fire from a burning tank would be a conflagration (large burning fire).

I am of course ruling out that jet fuel could be used at 6% by weight in a mix with Ammonia Nitrate to make ANFO (which detonates), or a few gallons sprayed into the air in a very fine mist to make a fuel air bomb (explosive conflagration). The plot did not seem to be focused on those methods.

I cannot imagine how you would make a full fuel tank's contents "blow up".

Blow a hole in a tank and create a large spill; Yes.

Create a large fire; again Yes.

Blow up a tank that was empty (if it was full of air and vapors); Yes, but limited damage to the area around the tank.

Blow up the whole area; No.

Blow a leak into a pipeline; Yes.

Start a fire at said pipeline leak; Yes.

Blow up the entire pipeline; No.

Kill lots of people; No, but perhaps kill a few.

Shutdown the airport for a couple of months; Yes. It would probably take 6 months to return the airport to full service if all the tanks were significantly damaged.

I hate to say it.... but sometimes ignorance is a good thing. I can think of lots of things these people could have done if they understood what could and could not actually be done. No need for them to go shopping for expertise then.
 
N911YX
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RE: Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 1):

When I was young man, I found a WW II aircraft spotters chart in my grandfathers garage. Seems grandpa was a member of the Civil Defense during the war. We lived in Pittsburg, California about 30 miles inland from the Pacific. Civil defense volunteers would sit atop city hall and observe aircraft movements and call any unknown or enemy type a/c in to authorities using such charts for comparison. I found the chart highly interesting and it eventually wound up hanging on the wall of my bedroom where I spent many an hour memorizing the shapes. All aircraft were black and displayed in various positions for identification.

Now let's turn to 'the media'. Having spent quite some time in newrooms as a Meteorologist I am well aware of the lack of knowledge and understanding of aviation and science in general, so, blaming the media for not reporting the correct aircraft type in a newsreport is to be expected. News Directors don't have the luxury of employing specific reporters to cover aviation related stories. Consequently, you'll see and hear some odd things, i.e., a story about a 727-200 but a picture of an L-1011-500 to go with it. That happens everywhere, whether it be in the news biz, advertising, or school textbooks. And yes, we expect car accidents as cars are driven by sometimes marginally functional human beings. However, if it has wings and falls from the sky, that's an entirely different scenario. The safety track record of aviation, especially in the USA and western Europe is phenomenal, so when a GA or commercial flight goes down, of course the media is going to report it wall to wall. Riding in a car isn't nearly as unsettling to the human as riding in a winged cylinder at 35,000 feet and this causes the public to squirm whether first time flyers or Triple Gold Elite Double Dutch Platinum Coke Straw CEO's sitting in First.

That is why 'the media' over-plays any aviation story. It plays on our fears. Now, if the News Director would just buy a spotter's guide chart for the newsroom or provide a reliable link to airliners.net or some such website, the issue of mis-identification might be less of a problem. However, expecting 'the media' to be anything else is just wishful thinking.
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RE: Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting Levg79 (Thread starter):
Any reason why would they use a picture of A380 in connection with a plot to blow up JFK airport?

it's the most recent video/file they probably have.

the story came down over the affiliates wires yesterday with TWA planes on it. yeah, i made a good phone call over that one.
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IAHFLYR
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RE: Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:50 am

Quoting N911YX (Reply 2):

How about a nice C150.
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siromega
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RE: Media Finally Got It Right, Well Almost

Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:07 am

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 4):

I cannot imagine how you would make a full fuel tank's contents "blow up".

Blow a hole in a tank and create a large spill; Yes.

....

I made that point in the other thread, but apparently I got attacked for it. Go Fig. The damage to human life would be minimal. People can fly out of LGA, tanks can be rebuilt, airlines can tanker some fuel in and do more tech stops. Yea it might be more expensive and have an economical toll, but its just money.

And regarding the use of the A380, well it was probably pure luck that it had a US flag in the picture. All about inspiring patriotism so we willingly hand over more of our freedoms.