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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Fri May 10, 2002 7:55 pm

The Indonesian aviation news of today...

- Govt declared commitment towards better air safety.
- Govt declared its disappointment in front of ICAO, and invites assistance for improvements through any means other than isolation.
- Parliament have stated retaliation is not the right way to respond and instead asks government for more concrete and transparent safety improvements.
- Sriwijaya's 733 PK-CJC is set to leave Nimes for its delivery to Jakarta. Ex Flyme Sweden.
- A Trigana DHC4 Caribou overran runway at Mulia yesterday. Attempted "unlawful interference by law enforcement and/or local government officials" cited as potential cause in the news... this is the 2nd accident/incident by Trigana at Mulia Airport over the past month. Mulia remains one of the most dangerous/challenging airports in Indonesia.
- PK-GZJ B734 GA162 CGKPDG 01JUL delayed departure due to 1 ticketed pax not checked but turned up at the aircraft (part of group of 5). By the time boarding commenced, the spare seat was already sold, resulting in 131 pax boarding a 130 seated aircraft. Security & Groundstaff forgot to check thoroughly...

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Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:48 am

OK guys,
It's time for Part 2 of this...
Continuing from Indonesia Aviation Thread 1 (by Mandala499 Mar 30 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Here are the latests... or so it seems...

1. GA rumoured to have increased pilots salaries to prevent pilots from leaving.
2. Lion's 2nd 739ER has arrived.
3. Indonesia Air Asia had a hard landing in Medan this weekend.
4. Sriwijaya's flight to Malang yesterday had to RTB due to oil problems leading to shutting down an engine.
5. Merpati's 1st MA60 could arrive in July
6. Trigana's Twotter crashed in Mulia last week.
7. Sriwijaya plans to add 1 732 and 1 733 this month.
8. Parliament approves of 15m USD budget for Presidential aircraft (which would be a relief to Garuda being thrown into havoc whenever the President wants to do a trip).

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:01 am

How is it that GARUDA is able to charter up to 20 widebody aircraft for the HAJJ periods every year,
yet they dont have the money to pay for the leases of the A330's?? If they have such a serious short-
fall of capacity with the A330s leaving, why not keep the HAJJ aircraft around for longer periods?
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:10 am

The hajj charters are are funded by the actual fee GA charges the government for putting up the hajj ops... the proceeds from that impossible to lease the hajj aircraft for longer. The contract itself is pretty stringent... the demand for ontime performance during hajj is short of crazy... hence GA has to fork out hefty hajj leases and charge the govt... From what I know, they tried to do this last year but was unable to do so.

The hajj ops are crewed in the cabin by contract F/As who are only hired for the hajj periods. The flight ops support is done by mainly 3rd party providers selected by the leased carrier, and GA just puts up the other ground support and pays the bills.

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:33 pm

Lion Air plans all business class flights

Lion Air plans to operate all business class configured B739ER aircraft on the CGK SUB and CGK SIN routes by the end of the year. To that extent, 6 B739ER aircraft will be configured in a 90C/0Y configuration as opposed to the current 0C/213Y in the aircraft that have so far been delivered. Read about it here, in Bahasa Indonesia.

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:54 am

Is there enough demand to fulfill 6 aircraft in all business class?? That would sound like LION is planning
a shuttle ala Eastern, Delta where they run flights every hour or so between the points.
Can you they charge enough of a premium to cover the costs with such a reduced capacity and what is
obviously a very expensive aircraft??
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 4):
Is there enough demand to fulfill 6 aircraft in all business class??

There is not! Garuda is doing reasonable well on CGK SUB with an hourly shuttle and just 16 business class seats per flight. I wonder how Lion would ever fill 90 of those seats. It seems as if the Lion spin doctors are at it again.

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 4):
That would sound like LION is planning
a shuttle ala Eastern, Delta where they run flights every hour or so between the points.

An hourly shuttle to SUB requires 4 aircraft and the 2 other aircraft would land the airline with 6 daily roundtrips to SIN, which is quite a bit over the top given the difficulties they are having in filling theirs current one daily flight there!

The whole idea is a joke by and for very simple minds...
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:26 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
The whole idea is a joke by and for very simple minds...

There in itself sums up the Indonesian aviation situation!
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:40 pm

Update:
Lorena has claimed to have the AOC in the bag, and 3 aircraft ready.
The head of DGAC claimed otherwise and said the aircraft so far claimed to be allocated are in overhaul.

Lorena needs to have the aircraft here by the end of the month otherwise the govt. revokes the AOC in process...

-------
JT CGK-SUB...
8 Flts a day (incl Wings)...
Looking for Friday afternoon, which is normally full, only the 17:00 flight is full (or more likely not operating).... The rest are still no where near full Y class. Same goes for the way back...

Same goes for tomorrow...though the loads coming back look better...

And for today...

Still no full Y class fare shows... only 1 of the remaining flight as we speak is at 1 class below Y.

Going back from SUB is even more of a dismal load...

JT CGK-SIN... from single daily to??? WHAT? They must kidding !

They're not filling the belly of the 739 with all sorts either as Boeing have said "no funny cargoes" as a condition...

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:17 pm

I think JT is funnier than Tukul Arwana (an Indonesian comedian). Let's list JT's jokes:
1. The plan to use 744s
2. The plan to fly CGK-AMS route
3. The plan to exclusively use HLP
4. ... (please fill in)
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:10 pm

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8):
1. The plan to use 744s

.. and A330s, B777s and so on.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8):
2. The plan to fly CGK-AMS route

... and CGK NRT, CGK India, CGK Australia and so on.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8):
3. The plan to exclusively use HLP

... not to forget the dedicated Lion terminal at CGK.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8):
4. ... (please fill in)

Well, I think that the 60 B739ERs are the biggest joke of them all. Let's see how many they absorb.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:33 pm

Presumably these planeloads of fictional C class pax won't mind the genuine third world airport experience of CGK Term 1?
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting GFFgold (Reply 10):
Presumably these planeloads of fictional C class pax won't mind the genuine third world airport experience of CGK Term 1?

Since these passengers are non-existing anyway, I don't think they would mind using the imaginary premium check in areas and executive lounges of terminal one before boarding their delusional full business class flights onboard Lion's premium B739ERs. Heck, who knows, Lion may even decide on a fictional premium terminal à la QR and LH to cater for all these premium guests, with illusory grand buffets, including streaky bacon à discretion and free flow of imported beers and wines.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Lion Air plans all business class flights

I think I can count on one hand how many business class seats I have seen filled on the CGK/PLM flights. Granted more business probably flies between CGK/SUB than CGK/PLM.

Quoting GFFgold (Reply 10):
Presumably these planeloads of fictional C class pax won't mind the genuine third world airport experience of CGK Term 1?

Maybe Lion is expecting foreign nationals to fly business rather than economy while in Indonesia. Actually, I don't really mind Terminal 1. It really is not all that different from Terminal 2 except for the lack of air conditioning and the masses of people standing around.

Now my gripe is the lack of any kind of real signage for the shuttle between the terminals and the fact it stops operating at 7PM. I don't really want to load my suitcases into a public car to get to terminal 2.

I also wish the airlines and airport authority would take a little time and effort to clean up CGK and make it a little brighter at night. It is so depressing at night. It reminds me of how ATL was starting to look before the city starting improving the signage, replacing carpet, and painting to give the airport a lighter feel.

I do like architecture at CGK, it does have an Indonesia feel to it. I know where I am at CGK.

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:55 am

In my experience foreign nationals don't make up many of the C class pax on domestic flights. The odd time I travel up front I am invariably surrounded by civil servants and managers of state enterprises, plus people like myself flying on FF award tickets. I can remember seeing a group of 'bule' (caucasians) up front on a flight to Medan last year, but the fact that this sticks in my mind shows how unusual it was.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:07 am

Maybe by putting them in all C config it will be easier to sell/ lease on to other airlines... Fewer seats to throw away when the lessee puts in their own interior....
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:56 am

More general silliness reported in today's Jakarta Post. Our beloved Vice Pres has asked GA to begin direct services between DPS and Kunming, China. I quote:

"As Yunan and Bali are sister provinces [eh??] I would ask Garuda to open a direct flight between Kunming and Bali, so that tourism as well as trade links between the two will improve further".

I should hope that brilliant idea dies a swift natural death.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:45 pm

Not too long ago, on the occasion of a visit of the South African foreign minister to Indonesia, followed up by a reciprocal visit of Kalla to Cape Town, the sharpest pencil in the the pack that is called the Indonesian Cabinet, demanded that Garuda start DAILY operations between Jakarta/Denpasar and Johannesburg/Cape Town. I guess he was referring to the approximately 6 O&D passengers which ply that route every day. The Vice President has over and over shown himself to be an inexhaustible source of bright ideas. Indonesia better brace itself for the day this guy becomes President.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:55 pm

GARUDA has had links to South Africa before. Back in 92-94, they leased in a B747 Combi from
SAA. The inflight entertainment system even said "Welcome onboard South African Airways" when it
was started up. Of course that was another venture with well lined pockets. The figures I heard were that
payments were 10Million dollars a above what the going rate was, so that money of course went into
the pockets of the people who needed it the least. That was actually a smart venture cargo wise, we
made a ton of money on that run, but with the extra "payments" it was doomed.
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:05 am

Update:
1. GA plans Jakarta-Malang
2. CGK a.net meet

OK guys...
How about an a.net meet in CGK next week? It was initially planned for 14th, but by the looks of it, it'll be 15th/16th...

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting GFFgold (Reply 15):
Our beloved Vice Pres has asked GA to begin direct services between DPS and Kunming, China. I quote:

"As Yunan and Bali are sister provinces [eh??] I would ask Garuda to open a direct flight between Kunming and Bali, so that tourism as well as trade links between the two will improve further".

Lovely, a flight between 2 very low-yielding destinations? Maybe he needs a lesson in yield management or make him responsible for GA's profitability then he might be more careful making statements like these...

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 16):
demanded that Garuda start DAILY operations between Jakarta/Denpasar and Johannesburg/Cape Town.

Jakarta - Johannesburg / Capetown might not be such a bad idea. But leave that to SA, GA needs to sort herself out first.
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 18):
1. GA plans Jakarta-Malang

I haven't heard anything about that. Palangkaraya is confirmed for an August 17 start, but nothing else, so far.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 19):
Jakarta - Johannesburg / Capetown might not be such a bad idea.

There is very little O&D traffic between the two countries at large, and Garuda has very little in terms of international traffic to feed such an operation. Furthermore, the airline would have to compete with the likes of SQ, MH, TG, CX, SA, EK, QR and EY, all of whom offer very competitive fares to South Africa in the Indonesian market. Heck, even KL and LH offer very competitive fares to South Africa, which allow for a Europe stopover. A Garuda venture into JNB/CPT would most certainly end in a financial bloodbath.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:37 pm

Who is Megantara Air and where do they operate their B727F to?
Are they a big player in the cargo markets, or do they operate for the mines on Irian?
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:05 pm

Updates:
- Batavia's fleet expands again with 2 more A320s planned before the end of the year, to make its airbus fleet to 6 aircraft.
- Lorena Air (see reply #7 above) plans are getting stranger by the day. A leasing / finance package was prepared by a company assisting Lorena, and then, the deal was cut and bypassed by Lorena. It is so far unclear on the status of the aircraft they claim to have ready. This is yet another "backstab" occurence with Lorena Air... not the first... they've had staff being dismissed whenever a group gets close to the boss... the one loosing it's jockeyed position gets thrown out regardless of merit I am told.

Re:
1. GA to MLG:
It was mentioned at: Detik Surabaya

I am not surprised if nothing about this is known in GA since only Malang Airport is talking about it!

2. Megantara Air
I hear it's CGK-SIN and that's about it. Not much is known publicly. Their 727F is ex Transmile I am told, so this could just be Transmile's Indonesian front, since their last local AOC holder, Bayu Air, has had its AOC frozen.

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:45 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 18):
by the looks of it, it'll be 15th/16th...

If you make it on the 16th you may just be in time to see me disappearing off to MAN via AUH on EY on that day.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:38 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
Garuda is doing reasonable well on CGK SUB with an hourly shuttle and just 16 business class seats per flight. I wonder how Lion would ever fill 90 of those seats. It seems as if the Lion spin doctors are at it again.

Actually why don't JT just used a mixed cabin config like GA? Won't it be much easier?


Actually I flew to SRG on GA on Sat morning on GA238, PK-GGC, HB-IWC is right about the B735 having a nicer inteior than others in the fleet, even the audio controls are electronic. If my return on Sunday on GA235 was on PK-GGT a B733, also nice interior, somehow feels like it has better than average legroom in Y. Am I imagining thinks or is it a correct observation?
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 24):
Actually why don't JT just used a mixed cabin config like GA? Won't it be much easier?

JT has tried business class before (remember the Business Class check in signs in 2F and the business class cars in airports all over the country) and it has failed miserably, because the people who are flying business class don't bother spending their money on a shabby setup like Lion. For the time being, those passengers opt for Garuda on the domestic network, and then only because they really have no other option, because Garuda's premium product is tired and not up to par, hence the weak position of the airline when it comes to attracting international premium fares.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:14 pm

I am actually booked in MH to go to HKG in October, but GA is a lot cheaper in C/J. USually A330's are configured for this route but at the rate GA is losing a/c plus rumours of them losing their A330's, what do u think will actually be operating the HKG flights in Oct?
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:52 pm

Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 26):
I am actually booked in MH to go to HKG in October, but GA is a lot cheaper in C/J. USually A330's are configured for this route but at the rate GA is losing a/c plus rumours of them losing their A330's, what do u think will actually be operating the HKG flights in Oct?

Two issues here:

* for CGK HKG, if you don't want to dish out the rip off full fare CX is charging you and you also want to avoind GA and its meager C-class offerings on the A333, you may as well go for CI, which offers a pretty decent business class product at CGK and goes nonstop into HKG with the new A333 in the morning ;

* Garuda is not losing aircraft at any rate and I don't know where you are getting this information from. The only aircraft that have been lost are the two A333s which the airline was forced to park. All other retirements, mostly of B737 aircraft, have been by the airline's own choice, and the last B737 retirement (apart from the sad loss of PK-GZC, which has meanwhile been replaced by PK-GZP) dates from September of last year, when PK-GGS came off lease ;
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:11 am

And now, the latest gossip is... GA Boss Emirsyah Satar may be leaving the company (thanks to various factors including the change of the minister of state enterprises)... If this is true, I pray to God they don't get someone who likes to screw around with the creditors the wrong way!

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:37 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 27):
The only aircraft that have been lost are the two A333s which the airline was forced to park

There certain mention on the earlier forums about issues to the EU creditors regarding the payments of these a/c? DOnt know whether its true or not though
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:40 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 28):
If this is true, I pray to God they don't get someone who likes to screw around with the creditors the wrong way!

We can only cross our fingers and hope for the best. Quite sad really as GA used to be one of the premier carriers in ASEAN (quite some time back now!! heeheh)
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:32 pm

Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 29):
There certain mention on the earlier forums about issues to the EU creditors regarding the payments of these a/c? DOnt know whether its true or not though

There are issues with the payments of these aircraft and unserviced debts with the European Export Credit Agency, which is the direct reason why PK-GPC and PK-GPD are now parked. More A333s may very well follow suit. But to say that Garuda is losing aircraft at whatever rate is incorrect as the airline is actually adding aircraft.

Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 30):
We can only cross our fingers and hope for the best. Quite sad really as GA used to be one of the premier carriers in ASEAN

That must have been back in the days when the animals were still talking then. As I see it, Garuda used to support a pretty large network, but the service never was anywhere near premier. Contrary to what many locals seem to think, quantity does not automatically imply quality, and Garuda's once widespread network, reaching from Amman to Los Angeles and from Berlin to Auckland, was a pretty good example of that. As it goes, the carrier was in the past even more plagued by government interference then it is now, and the operation was run by amateurs hence the widespread reputation of lack of reliability and excessive delays. Garuda has since come a long way, and its on time performance is actually quite ok, yet the service levels are mediocre by any standard.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:16 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 31):
Garuda has since come a long way, and its on time performance is actually quite ok, yet the service levels are mediocre by any standard.

Actually what I have been observing lately is that in most cases, I can better service on the ground than in the air !! But on average, GA's inflight service is still leaps and bounds better than the other local airlines. The only sad fact is that its inflight product is already decades behind others in this region
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 22):
Batavia's fleet expands again with 2 more A320s planned before the end of the year, to make its airbus fleet to 6 aircraft.

Actually how many aircraft does Batavia have in total? And what is Mandala's fleet plans for the future and whats the current status?

With regard to GA's order for 787 and 737NG, are the 737 1 for 1 replacements for the older classic models? Hopefully they will fit newer interior on these aircraft ! When are they due anyway?

When is the best chance for me to get on GA's B738 on domestic routes?
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:57 pm

Shame, I've got time for Emirsyah. There are some good top managers in GA - Arya for example - but the middle management is, uhm, not so good
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:22 am

Batavia:
2 A319-132
2 A320-239
11 732s (YTA already left the fleet, scrapped, and 3 of the 11 are stored).
11 733s (N493AN is stored in KCH, apparently reported 7P has rejected that aircraft).
4 734s
1 F28 (stored for scrapping)

31 listed, effective is 25 aircraft.

Mandala's future fleet plans seems to be going nowhere...
They want more A320s but seem to be stuck with the 2 ex Eirjet 320s...
2 A320 (1x -211, 1x-212)
2 734s
6 732s (1 of which is stored).

They seem to still be struggling to fill their planes are still playing the old game of "spread them out" rather than "focus on frequencies"...

For Mandala, it's either a "damn long restructuring", or "they're in an even more precarious situation than before"...

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:33 am

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 35):
(N493AN is stored in KCH, apparently reported 7P has rejected that aircraft).

Was seen in KCH but no longer there.
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:42 am

Hasn't been seen here... will do a rego check as soon as I get back from your base *grin*

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:21 am

I was scrolling through some photos and came across a very rare entity,
a L1011 with Merpati stickers on it. Where and when did Merpati EVER operate a Tristar???
According to the date on the photo, it was from mid 1990's
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:30 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 38):
I was scrolling through some photos and came across a very rare entity,
a L1011 with Merpati stickers on it. Where and when did Merpati EVER operate a Tristar???

I've seen that aircraft myself in 1998 during a holiday in Bali (I wasn't working here yet at that time). The aircraft was wearing a Royal Air Cambodge color scheme and Merpati stickers at DPS.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 39):
I've seen that aircraft myself in 1998 during a holiday in Bali (I wasn't working here yet at that time). The aircraft was wearing a Royal Air Cambodge color scheme and Merpati stickers at DPS.

There may have been more than one then, the photo I saw had Orient Thai markings on it with Merpati
stickers. Has Merpati ever run HAJJ flights??
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:29 am

I think it was to cover for Merpati's disastrous widebody & Aussie route expeditions... their A310 was returned, and they were still trying using the L1011...

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:01 pm

Hrmm I did a search on airfleets regarding the B733 which Batavia rejected and was apparently stored in KCH, but all I came up with was this:

Search for an aircraft - registration N493AN

No aircraft found
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:36 pm

I didn't have time to read it properly but there was some rather optimistic gumph in today's Jakarta Post business section about GA 'mulling' reopening the CGK-AMS run. Eh? Gimana sih?
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:46 pm

Quoting GFFgold (Reply 43):
GA 'mulling' reopening the CGK-AMS run

I am not holding my breath. There are no aircraft available for such a venture and the airline's current financial position doesn't allow for big investments to lease new aircraft. An article about the reopening has appeared once a year ever since the route was closed in 2004. By the end of 2005, we were even informed that Garuda would soon take delivery of an extra B744 for reopen AMS by June 2006. I'm still waiting...

Today's article in the Jakarta Post is, as per usual, terribly inaccurate. It states incorrectly that Paris was closed in 2004, although GA hasn't been flying there since the late 1990s. It also indicates that Nagoya was closed after the second Bali bomb, yet GA has been flying there up and until 2006. The airline's spokesperson, Pujobroto, is a personable man, but he doesn't seem to be in the know of what is actually happening in his airline.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting ThaiA345 (Reply 42):
Hrmm I did a search on airfleets regarding the B733 which Batavia rejected and was apparently stored in KCH, but all I came up with was this:

Search for an aircraft - registration N493AN

No aircraft found

I have photos of both N493AN and its later registration PK-YVX here, taken in KCH.
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:00 pm

It's no joke at all that Lion Air just recently purchased another 40 frames of 737-900ER. The company must have quite a business plan to utilize that many planes in Indonesia and to convince the creditor(s) to provide financial assistance for planes' purchase. Congrats to Lion Air and Boeing.
 
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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:29 pm

Cartenz,
Most likely the financiers are just convinced that the residual values of the 739ERs are good... There have been cases where financing deals are of a size that don't make sense... The planes are paid, if they go bust, they'll get the aircraft value... And it's not so much the business plans, it's who's guaranteeing the finance... and as far as the word on the street goes, it's from somewhere pretty high up...

I hope it's not a "hedge lease" that's currently running crazy... sooner or later, the airlines gotta reduce their growth, then debt catches up... let's hope that doesn't happen...

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RE: Nomor Dua! Indonesia Aviation Thread Part 2

Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:29 pm

Yes, I would have posted it earlier yet I was still composing myself after hearing the news. This is such a joke... 100 frames. Anyone who knows this company from a little closer knows that it is just impossible. I guess it's just that they had to have one hundred on order as well. It seems to sound better than 'only' 60.

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