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CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:42 am

It seems that CPH is increasingly consolidating it's position as Scandinavia's main airport, at least if we look at the traffic figures between CPH and the US. According to this article traffic is up 25% from last year. Close business ties, tourists and more cruise passengers are mentioned as the reasons for the increase. I'm currently planning a trip to New York in late July so I'll probably add a little bit to the figures even though I like KLM via AMS  

http://cph.dk/CPH/UK/Newsroom/News/2007/successful+usa.htm

[Edited 2007-06-05 04:45:14]
 
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RE: CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:29 pm

quite impressive

I'd love to see NW fly there someday. It would make visiting relatives much easier.
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RE: CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:11 pm

And the good thing about it, is really that most of the expansion is because of DL and CO and not SK. Gives a little much-needed competition for our local carrier.

What is not very good though, is that CPH doesn't seem able to attract new business from Asia, and SK is cutting down on its asian routes. Incredible that they had to close CPH-PVG. As said many times before, when it can be done by AY, why not by SK who are able to feed in a lot more pax than AY.
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RE: CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting Himmelstormer (Thread starter):
I'm currently planning a trip to New York in late July so I'll probably add a little bit to the figures even though I like KLM via AMS

Personally I'm of course happy, too, that CPH has gained so much US traffic - but look at the fares you get charged if you want to fly, say, nonstop to NYC in July!!... DKK 8.000 (EUR 1070) is the lowest I could find - no wonder so many people still go via AMS, LHR, CDG or whatever, even if there are nonstops CPH-NYC (18/week this summer)...

Personally, I'm going to NYC with some friends in November; SAS charges 4300; CO 3700 (both nonstops); while UA via FRA and FI does it for DKK 3.000. Bugger is, that if you fly, say, FRA-CPH-NYC on SK, you're probably coughing up DKK 3.000 as well... I'd actually like to do my trip nonstop on SK (wanna try their long-haul product, should be very good), but a 45 % premium for nonstop is pushing it IMO (but not in so many other peoples minds of course, that's why they charge the premium..) For an a.netter, the ultimate is of course as many landings, take-offs, airlines and aircrafts as possible for the least amount of money..!  Smile

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 2):
What is not very good though, is that CPH doesn't seem able to attract new business from Asia, and SK is cutting down on its asian routes. Incredible that they had to close CPH-PVG. As said many times before, when it can be done by AY, why not by SK who are able to feed in a lot more pax than AY.

True, for pax flights - but remember, that CPH has gained tremendously on cargo from Asia in recent years (but who cares about cargo?!?!?!!!!... I want my pax flights..) Anyway: Sad that SK is cutting down on Asia from CPH, but to be fair, they are "only" moving it to ARN (but true, does not help us here at CPH..). TG has indicated that they might increase frequencies to CPH above the daily roundtrip. Also, I could soon see a Chinese carrier entering CPH (again). As for SK and CPH-PVG, I don't think one should just say that it's viable because AY does it - other airlines (was it LX or OS?) have also pulled out of PVG. Also, SK has a capacity issue - they are very limited by only 11 ac (of which very few are "free" to move around), and tehy probably assessed they would make more out of ARN (to BJS) if they had to choose between the two (that and CPH-PVG). Had they had the capacity, I think it would have been less likely for them to pull out of PVG...

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RE: CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:05 pm

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
Personally I'm of course happy, too, that CPH has gained so much US traffic - but look at the fares you get charged if you want to fly, say, nonstop to NYC in July!!... DKK 8.000 (EUR 1070) is the lowest I could find - no wonder so many people still go via AMS, LHR, CDG or whatever, even if there are nonstops CPH-NYC (18/week this summer)...

Personally, I'm going to NYC with some friends in November; SAS charges 4300; CO 3700 (both nonstops); while UA via FRA and FI does it for DKK 3.000. Bugger is, that if you fly, say, FRA-CPH-NYC on SK, you're probably coughing up DKK 3.000 as well... I'd actually like to do my trip nonstop on SK (wanna try their long-haul product, should be very good), but a 45 % premium for nonstop is pushing it IMO (but not in so many other peoples minds of course, that's why they charge the premium..)

That's interesting. I never fly SK because their web page pricing seems to assume that the customer is a complete imbecile and is willing to overpay to fly them. Just yesterday I booked a ticket to the US for my family. The route I chose was with KLM was priced at nkr. 32500. The best SKBraathens could give me close to those dates was 48000. Using other web-pages I found better fares on SK/Lufthansa which were closer to what I bought the tickets for.
 
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RE: CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:52 pm

I'm glad to read this. I hope Continental and Delta have sucess flying to CPH. I'd love it if NWA flew there too, but I'm just happy SK has some competition on the route. My mother-in-law (Dansk) just took the EWR-CPH flight home yesterday. As far as I know she had no complaints about the service compare to SK.
 
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RE: CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 4):
That's interesting. I never fly SK because their web page pricing seems to assume that the customer is a complete imbecile and is willing to overpay to fly them. Just yesterday I booked a ticket to the US for my family. The route I chose was with KLM was priced at nkr. 32500. The best SKBraathens could give me close to those dates was 48000. Using other web-pages I found better fares on SK/Lufthansa which were closer to what I bought the tickets for.

Actually, I'm a bit surprised that SAS tries to overcharge (lacking a better word) Norwegians on their intercon, too - because flying from Norway to the US on SK would inevitably involve a stopover (CPH or ARN). Hence, out of Norway SK does not have the edge of offering a nonstop service as compared to, say, KLM. Therefore, I would expect SK to be less expensive (relatively) out of Norway... but maybe it's just because you're all loaded up there!..  Wink

But funny thing with these nonstop preferences and the derived pricing.. I remember when DL started CPH-ATL, CPH-ATL-NYC was cheaper that CPH-ATL... Such a bugger that nonstop flights go hand-in-hand with higher fares.. But oh well, economics working for you, and they have to make the money somewhere.. when UA/LH charges me DKK 3.000 (EUR 400) return CPH-FRA-NYC I'm sure as h*ll not contributing much to the bottom line!...

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RE: CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:59 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
Personally, I'm going to NYC with some friends in November; SAS charges 4300; CO 3700 (both nonstops); while UA via FRA and FI does it for DKK 3.000. Bugger is, that if you fly, say, FRA-CPH-NYC on SK, you're probably coughing up DKK 3.000 as well... I'd actually like to do my trip nonstop on SK (wanna try their long-haul product, should be very good), but a 45 % premium for nonstop is pushing it IMO (but not in so many other peoples minds of course, that's why they charge the premium..) For an a.netter, the ultimate is of course as many landings, take-offs, airlines and aircrafts as possible for the least amount of money..!

I've flown to the US(New York) 14 times over the last 6½ years and only 4 times with SAS(once via Stockholm). I like their product(A330/340) but their prices are not very good and it doesn't matter when it is. Continental is fine and it's great with the competition but I do prefer widebodies. I also find the KLM/AF frequent flyer programme much better. Besides, I don't have a problem transferring in AMS and prefer to fly into JFK beacuse it's closer to where I am going.

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 4):
That's interesting. I never fly SK because their web page pricing seems to assume that the customer is a complete imbecile and is willing to overpay to fly them. Just yesterday I booked a ticket to the US for my family. The route I chose was with KLM was priced at nkr. 32500. The best SKBraathens could give me close to those dates was 48000. Using other web-pages I found better fares on SK/Lufthansa which were closer to what I bought the tickets for.

I've had similar experiences, although it has greatly improved.
 
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RE: CPH-US: Traffic Up 25%

Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:47 am

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
True, for pax flights - but remember, that CPH has gained tremendously on cargo from Asia in recent years (but who cares about cargo?!?!?!!!!

Well, good for the business, but doesn't take me anywhere  Wink The new CEO of CPH have been based in China for some years, maybe he is the right man to convince the CZ or CA to take some more cargo here  Smile

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
Sad that SK is cutting down on Asia from CPH, but to be fair, they are "only" moving it to ARN (but true, does not help us here at CPH..)

Certainly true, but as you say, that's doesn't help us here in CPH. It's only making the price of other airlines more expensive, as they don't have to compete with a nonstop flight  Smile

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
As for SK and CPH-PVG, I don't think one should just say that it's viable because AY does it - other airlines (was it LX or OS?) have also pulled out of PVG. Also, SK has a capacity issue - they are very limited by only 11 ac (of which very few are "free" to move around), and tehy probably assessed they would make more out of ARN (to BJS) if they had to choose between the two (that and CPH-PVG). Had they had the capacity, I think it would have been less likely for them to pull out of PVG...

My point not being that SK should be able to run PVG because others do, but run a succesful Asian network. There have been rumors about the BKK route performing notoriously bad yield wise, the SIN route was dropped etc. Given the geographical position of CPH, SK should be able to earn on Asia. Off course they have a US focus that AY doesn't, and they don't have the money for a fleet expansion, but it seems that their intercontinental operations don't have a clear strategy, but is an inconsistent mix of routes. AY it pretty determined on China, and are clearly having some kind of first-mover advantage.

Regarding PVG, actually AY had rediculously low fares in june out of CPH, and during the summer where HKG, CAN and PEK prices are skyrocketing, PVG stays on a reasonable level. Shanghai is a booming city, but it's still a tough call to make local connections with domestic and international flights almost completely separated at two different airports. Could that be one of the reasons for the overshooting of potential?

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 3):
Personally, I'm going to NYC with some friends in November; SAS charges 4300; CO 3700 (both nonstops); while UA via FRA and FI does it for DKK 3.000. Bugger is, that if you fly, say, FRA-CPH-NYC on SK, you're probably coughing up DKK 3.000 as well... I'd actually like to do my trip nonstop on SK (wanna try their long-haul product, should be very good), but a 45 % premium for nonstop is pushing it IMO (but not in so many other peoples minds of course, that's why they charge the premium..) For an a.netter, the ultimate is of course as many landings, take-offs, airlines and aircrafts as possible for the least amount of money..!

Totally follow you on that one Big grin In fact I haven't flown on SK for five years. Having an SK flight in next month, ironically on an SU codeshare though...

Reg. the FRA-CPH-NYC thing, I once mad a search on a SK transatlantic. It was cheaper to take a SK separate return ticket to Brussels, and then an SK return from Brussels to NYC via CPH, than buying the non-stop from CPH  Smile

But hey, can't blame them for trying to earn money  Smile
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