Boeing77W
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What's The Partnership Between NW And KL?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:15 am

I'm aware that they're both in the Sky Team Alliance but how come Northwest Airlines and KLM would appear to be so closely linked? Links to each others website on their own sites, share similar business class products with information on each others products on their own sites etc.

I know that a huge number of airlines have codeshare agreements but I'm not aware of any like this. I've not seen links like this between QF and BA, same goes for VS, DL, CO, the list goes on...
 
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RE: What's The Partnership Between NW And KL?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:19 am

I don't know exactly what thier codesharing terms are now but in the past NW and KLM had a very strong allince. They even painted one of thier planes half KLM, half NW:

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This was taken from nwa.com:

Pioneering a New Global Alliance

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then the face on the Northwest/KLM alliance has been blushing for years. Not only was the Northwest/KLM alliance the first airline alliance in the world, ours is the most deeply integrated. The Northwest/KLM alliance coordinates schedules, prices and capacity under an Open Skies agreement between the United States and The Netherlands. What this means for you is convenience. Prior to the implementation of the Alliance, travelers would often have to deboard multiple planes, recheck luggage, and keep track of several tickets to reach a single destination. Now, a flight from Boston to Bangkok is as simple as one ticket, one luggage check-in, one trip. Truly Northwest and KLM have formed a global joint venture unlike anything the world has seen before. As Air Transport World wrote in 1997, "Northwest and KLM have transformed the very structure of the airline industry."


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RE: What's The Partnership Between NW And KL?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting Boeing77W (Thread starter):
how come Northwest Airlines and KLM would appear to be so closely linked?

They're actually in a joint venture, which is a step beyond a code-sharing alliance...
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RE: What's The Partnership Between NW And KL?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:15 am

NW and KLM share all revenue on their trans Atlantic flights. NW can book tickets on KLM and metal and KLM can do the same for NW. NW will use their metal for flights that are usually flown by KLM like EWR-AMS and this summers IAD-AMS which are both usually served by KLM. They were the first real alliance.
 
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RE: What's The Partnership Between NW And KL?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting Boeing77W (Thread starter):
I'm aware that they're both in the Sky Team Alliance but how come Northwest Airlines and KLM would appear to be so closely linked? Links to each others website on their own sites, share similar business class products with information on each others products on their own sites etc.

I know that a huge number of airlines have codeshare agreements but I'm not aware of any like this. I've not seen links like this between QF and BA, same goes for VS, DL, CO, the list goes on...

IIRC KLM and NWA basically invented code-sharing in the late 80s/early 90s. Moreover KLM bough a considerable part of NW shares that time, and have had a very close partnership ever since.

Quoting Nwa757boy (Reply 3):
They were the first real alliance.

KL and NW tried to form their own alliance "Wings" in the 90s, but this was merged with skyteam after KLM and Air France started their own affair.
 
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RE: What's The Partnership Between NW And KL?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:02 pm

How does the partnership play happen now that KL is effectively owned by AF?
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RE: What's The Partnership Between NW And KL?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 5):
How does the partnership play happen now that KL is effectively owned by AF?

KL operates as a separate airline under the AF ownership. The joint venture with NW is still in effect and doing well.
 
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RE: What's The Partnership Between NW And KL?

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:18 pm

Other special features of the NW-KL relationship include:

- ground handling integration: KL pretty much has no employees in the US for example; all KL flights are handled by NW check-in and gate agents; reservations on KL flights made in the US are done through NW reservations. Similarly, KL handles all ground ops of NW in Europe even when NW metal is used to that station. NW reservations numbers in Europe all direct you to KL..

- FF program: it used to be (before AF-KL) that KL and NW shared the FF program responsibility according to regions; if you lived in the US, you couldn't join the KL Flying Dutchman program; if you lived in Europe, you could not join NW WorldPerks...

Both those features are/were pretty unique as far as airline relationships are concerned...for example, with ground handling in the case of AF-DL (which don't have as close a relationship as NW-KL), even though DL handles AF in ATL, AF still has a few agents, etc., to represent AF; similarly, even though AF handles DL at CDG, DL still has its own ticketing desk staff and agents at CDG...