aa777lvr
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Trans States Crew Question

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:57 am

As most of you know, Trans States flies the E145's for both AA (American Connection) and UA (United Express). Today our station had an interesting situation. Our STL Connection kickoff was dinged with a 1 hour crew delay, even though the crew and aircraft arrived from STL right on time the previous evening. In the past the inbound crew overnights and takes the same aircraft back to STL in the AM. Today, we were informed by Trans States dispatch our "legal" crew had been reassigned to fly a trip on the United Express side to keep it on-time at the expense of the AA/Connection. We've never encountered them doing this before, and to our knowledge they were not able to swap in this way--even though THEY'RE 1 company, UA and AA are NOT.

As it turned out, the 1 hour delay kept creeping and became an almost 3 hour delay since TS couldn't get their act together and figure out the crew situation.....OYE!!

Any insight/comments appreciated.

-AA777LVR
 
ATWZW170
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:04 am

Same reason F9 was upset with Mesa --- you will find that from time to time -- if I were AA I'd be furious! Time to trade Trans states out another carrier.
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flyboy80
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:51 pm

My starting point was w/ mesa. I had the opportunity to meet a lot of "waterski" people... that company was as bad as we were. I'm sure there was some sort of benefit for the company. I remember at Mesa we didn't have rules, its like they didn't exist, and I always assumed the reason for the flakiness from aircraft routings, and SOC, crew tracking was all the same. ( a mess)
 
afrikaskyes
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:57 am

Sounds a lot like a typical Trans States decision! It reminds me shortly before TWA went under, they were cross utilizing their US Airways Express BAe J41's on the Trans World Express routes.

Does Hulas still use his crews and aircraft to taxi around his family from overseas? What a joke of an airline.
 
apodino
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:19 am

This is exactly the problem you get when you have regionals flying for 8 million mainline carriers. I would think that this would happen with a lot more carriers. Republic air group for example, flies for every legacy carrier save Northwest. I would think that Chatauqua would run into this problem all the time with their crew shortages. I know mesa does this, and I have heard crews on the radio say the reason for a United Delay was that they were bringing in a Delta flight.

Skywest on the other hand, has very little overlap between the United and the Delta operations, so this rarely happens with them.

But like I said, regionals flying for everyone creates a conflict of interest, and I am amazed the mainline carriers have allowed this.
 
caboclo
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:40 am

I agree. I wonder whether CO has had occasion to regret dumping Expressjet. I would think owning your own regional outright would be the ideal solution, but it seems the majority of airline CEO's disagree with me. The bottom line has become the only criteria, and service no longer matters.
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penguinflies
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:10 am

It really depends, I know flow into ORD screwed almost every airline that day as Cleveland Center adjusted arrival rates. Our airline was taking 3+ hour weather holds as UA stole slots for mainline. On top of that, there probably were the usual computer problems. Your normal crew probably got stuck in a weather delay. The generic reserve crew that was suppose to fly to AAC to WI probably got pulled for a genreic spare acft to run a UAX flight ontime out to IAD to restart a line and get an ontime morning start for UAX. Instead of taking two or three delays on the UA side, they probably decided to take one AA delay. So they junior a midmorning start AAC crew and gave them reduced rest to take one delay on AAC out of your station, instead of cancelling the roundtrip.

Your first flight was probably delayed three hours, but it's out-and-backs to STL vs their UAX which plans planes all over the place.

The posted 1-hour delay was probably a manual calculation of block time for each crew member, when the computers came back up they saw total crew legality and adjusted departure accordingly.


Weather happens.

Usually when crews bid for lines of multiple carriers, they will fly for only one customer. Ex, you bid AAC lines, you will fly only AAC aircraft for that month. Some exceptions to that rule is people who are Juniored, people who hold a reserve line, people who max out 16/1, 30/7, 100/30, 1000/year, or people who post 'will fly' or they trip trade with co-workers.


I'm not a skrew scheduler, but I sit next to one. :P and please, correct me if I'm off base.
 
N1120A
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:16 am

Quoting Penguinflies (Reply 6):
Our airline was taking 3+ hour weather holds as UA stole slots for mainline.

Stole? They are their slots to do with as United pleases.
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penguinflies
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:25 am

Sorry I wasn't tyring to give the impression that they stole slots they assigned to us, I guess a better phrase is they re-assigned the slots to themselves.
 
afrikaskyes
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RE: Trans States Crew Question

Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:03 am

A little off subject but my friend who works for United Express made a public announcement during a significant ATC delay in ORD last month and said

"Your attention in the gate area, please. Now that United Airlines is done using the runways in Chicago, they've granted us permission to takeoff." He was kidding of course, but he's kinda right. They received a message from Skywest Dispatch suggesting the runways were clear of UA mainline and that it was now ok for the regionals to arrive and depart. The ATC delay was something like 6 hours.