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UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:32 pm

I was just messing around with UA's timetable and noticed their IAD-TUS nonstop is ending tomorrow, June 6. They are not reinstating the one stop flight through PHX either. The available seats (I know, not the best source) in coach for tomorrow's flights show 11 open on TUS-IAD and 8 open on IAD-TUS. Up front, there are 2 open on TUS-IAD and 6 open on IAD-TUS. The current schedule does not show the flight coming back in the fall, but there is still plenty of time for changes. The original thread about the announcement of service stated the flight was seasonal, so it could come back. Could lack of revenue (non-revs) also be a cause of the flight's ending?

It is sad to see this flight leave and now UA is down to only one mainline flight daily to TUS, a 733/5 (depends on the day) on a DEN run and thus only one flight with real F class. Speaking of DEN, UA had five daily flights a few weeks ago (4 express, 1 mainline) and that is going down to 3 daily (2 express, 1 mainline). F9 could be partly to blame for that though.
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:03 pm

It's seasonal. Nothing to worry about.
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:11 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Thread starter):
Could lack of revenue (non-revs) also be a cause of the flight's ending?

To my knowledge, there are no reservation systems in usage that show non-revs as taking up inventory. But with that aside, the flight was announced as seasonal so nothing too surprising here.
 
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:29 pm

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 2):

To my knowledge, there are no reservation systems in usage that show non-revs as taking up inventory. But with that aside, the flight was announced as seasonal so nothing too surprising here.

It was announced as seasonal, ending in April, but later extended to year-round, and now discontinued.
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:28 pm

Why seasonal during the winter? Is TUS famous for skiing?
 
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 4):
Why seasonal during the winter? Is TUS famous for skiing?

TUS (and Arizona in general) is a popular destination for escaping the cold with its plethora of resorts geared towards swimming and golfing.
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Thread starter):
I was just messing around with UA's timetable and noticed their IAD-TUS nonstop is ending tomorrow, June 6. They are not reinstating the one stop flight through PHX either. The available seats (I know, not the best source) in coach for tomorrow's flights show 11 open on TUS-IAD and 8 open on IAD-TUS. Up front, there are 2 open on TUS-IAD and 6 open on IAD-TUS. The current schedule does not show the flight coming back in the fall, but there is still plenty of time for changes. The original thread about the announcement of service stated the flight was seasonal, so it could come back. Could lack of revenue (non-revs) also be a cause of the flight's ending?

Well there goes another new destination for TUS. Was the flight doing that bad that they had to pull it or are they having problems with fleet availability?

Quoting AirTranTUS (Thread starter):
It is sad to see this flight leave and now UA is down to only one mainline flight daily to TUS, a 733/5 (depends on the day) on a DEN run and thus only one flight with real F class. Speaking of DEN, UA had five daily flights a few weeks ago (4 express, 1 mainline) and that is going down to 3 daily (2 express, 1 mainline). F9 could be partly to blame for that though.

That sucks. I also noticed that they only show 3 daily to DEN. When does Frontier operate their 3rd daily to DEN or have they gotten rid of it?

Also, US Airways Express (Mesa) is sending Dash-8's on the PHX-TUS flights...Do you know how long this will last?



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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:53 pm

Fun fact--while this flight was operational, TUS had more daily F seats on UA than PHX Silly
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:02 pm

No surprise given this is the shoulder season for traffic into AZ. With B6 flying TUS-JFK and CO seasonally flying TUS-EWR I would imagine a 3rd flight to the east coast would be a bit overkill.

How is B6 doing on their TUS-JFK flight?
 
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 6):
When does Frontier operate their 3rd daily to DEN or have they gotten rid of it?

That was only during part of March and April.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 6):
Also, US Airways Express (Mesa) is sending Dash-8's on the PHX-TUS flights...Do you know how long this will last?

As long as they decide to I would imagine. The last few days a CRJ2 has been subbed on the route.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
Fun fact--while this flight was operational, TUS had more daily F seats on UA than PHX

I almost did not believe you, so I checked and remembered that PHX has TED fights. I also did not realize all of UA's PHX-LAX flights were on CRJ2s. TUS still has more F seats if you count F class on a CRJ7 as F. TUS will have 2 daily CRJ7s (1 each LAX, DEN) with 6 F seats each, and the mainline 733/5 to DEN with 8 F seats for a total of 20 F seats per day, while PHX will still have 8/12 F seats on the flight to IAD, depending on whether an A319/20 is used.
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:26 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Thread starter):
It is sad to see this flight leave and now UA is down to only one mainline flight daily to TUS, a 733/5 (depends on the day) on a DEN run and thus only one flight with real F class.

It looks like UA just isn't a major player in the TUS market. Let's compare TUS & ABQ:

DEN-ABQ:
UA: 2 X CRJ-200, 1 X CRJ-700, 1 X B735, 1 X B733, 1 X A319, 1 X A320

DEN-TUS:
UA: 2 X CRJ-200, 1 X CRJ-700, 1 X B733

Source: Flightaware.com

You really can't complain too much. B6 flies to TUS, but not to ABQ.
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:39 pm

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 10):
Let's compare TUS & ABQ:

Also remember that ABQ is an airport that serves most of an entire state, with the exception of those in the south who can drive to ELP. TUS serves the southern part of Arizona, but even then PHX takes a lot of our passengers with more flights, better times, etc. ABQ can sustain the demand for that amount of flights, TUS could not. On the subject of B6 though, ABQ is a large market they should look into serving, but I'm sure CO is just as happy with no competitor to the NY area.
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:40 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 9):
I almost did not believe you, so I checked and remembered that PHX has TED fights. I also did not realize all of UA's PHX-LAX flights were on CRJ2s. TUS still has more F seats if you count F class on a CRJ7 as F. TUS will have 2 daily CRJ7s (1 each LAX, DEN) with 6 F seats each, and the mainline 733/5 to DEN with 8 F seats for a total of 20 F seats per day, while PHX will still have 8/12 F seats on the flight to IAD, depending on whether an A319/20 is used.

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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:44 pm

UA carries more passengers TUS-DEN than F9, but Frontier has the larger O&D market share between TUS and DEN since most of UA passengers connect to other cities.
 
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 6):
Well there goes another new destination for TUS. Was the flight doing that bad that they had to pull it or are they having problems with fleet availability?

TUS-IAD was seasonal. Just like how the previous year's TUS-ORD was. Flight usually ran October to May. Nobody wants to travel to TUS in the summer.

1) Lots of tourists come to Tucson in the Fall, Winter, and Spring. The Gem and Mineral Show, golfing, El Tour de Tucson, Baseball Spring Training all are during this season.

2) The University of Arizona is in session. Lots of traffic comming and going due to the university being in session.

3) The 3 major companies in the TUS metro area do not have UA as their "preferred" air carrier. HON is hitched with HP/US, RTN is hitched with AA, and IBM is with AA (I think).

It will be curious as to what comes back this Fall. TUS-ORD or TUS-IAD. I am not sure what the loads on TUS-IAD were, but TUS-ORD wasn't ever very full at all. I vote TUS-IAD returns October 2007.
 
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 14):
It will be curious as to what comes back this Fall. TUS-ORD or TUS-IAD. I am not sure what the loads on TUS-IAD were, but TUS-ORD wasn't ever very full at all. I vote TUS-IAD returns October 2007.

But AA has a fairly decent schedule on TUS-ORD, plus a large and loyal FF base in TUS. It would be hard to compete against that with just 1-2 flights.
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 4):
Why seasonal during the winter? Is TUS famous for skiing?

Nobody comes here to ski--there's hardly any snow here in the winter. Recently, there hasn't been much snow anywhere in the state--especially up north in the White Mountains where it normally snows.

A piece of trivia: Tucson is home to the southern most ski lift in the U.S. Ski Valley on Mount Lemmon (over 9,000 feet) has a ski lift on the north face of the mountain. They get some snow up there and when they do, people don't ski, they load their pickups with snow and take it back to Mexico.
 
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:06 am

[quote=RedTailDTW,reply=6]Also, US Airways Express (Mesa) is sending Dash-8's on the PHX-TUS flights...Do you know how long this will last?

Do you know any of the times for these Dash flights? I have not seen any yet?
 
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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:03 am

DesertAir,

The Dash-8 flights depart to Phoenix from Tucson at 5:40am (Flt. 2847) and 8:30am (Flt. 2820).


Also, Flights 2733 and 2864 are operated with CRJ-200's.


Flights 2936, 2941, 2968, 2940, 2916, 2811 and 2881 are operated with CRJ-900's.




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RE: UA Ending IAD-TUS

Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:23 pm

Thanks for the info RedTailDWT. These are the only prop flights at TUS since Aero Litoral changed from Saab to RJs recently.

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