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Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:33 am

Just a question, how come airlines in India are ending up only ordering regional aircraft from ATR (-42 or -72) and Embraer (170 or 175) instead of Bombardier CRJ or Q-series? Paramount Airways is reported to add more Embraer jets to there current fleet. Indian Airlines, Kingfisher Airlines, Jet Airways, Air Deccan and Alliance Air have all gone with ATR aircraft. Air Sahara is the only indian carrier to go with CRJ and I maybe wrong but these are leased aircraft or bought used from another carrier. Will Jet Airways keep the CRJ's in the Air Shara fleet?

I'm wondering why Bombardier regional aircraft (CRJ200/CRJ700,CRJ900,CRJ1000/Q200/Q300/Q400) haven't been picked up by some airlines in India when there is a need for regional aircraft in India. I think the CRJ700 and Q400 would do great on some routes within India along with the CRJ1000.

Is it possible for SpiceJet, IndiGO or Go Air who have not yet ordered regional aircraft to order these Bombardier these aicraft?
 
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RE: Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:53 am

Well, if there is already a base to support ATRs in India, you might as well just keep ordering ATRs.

As for the EMB jets, I think Paramount is the only one so far. . . so really they are the exception. But you never know what our politicians have up their sleeves - among many meetings, trade "talks", scratch my back and I'll scratch yours deals, etc. it's just all so corrupt.

ps: also the Indian AF Legacy aircraft from Embraer in India aside from the E-jets.

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RE: Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 1):
But you never know what our politicians have up their sleeves - among many meetings, trade "talks", scratch my back and I'll scratch yours deals, etc. it's just all so corrupt.

= Politicans everywhere are corrupt. Remember, the French ambassador going ballistic when AI bought Boeings, but being OK with IC purchase of Airbus.

Having said that, there is a strong push for Brasil-India trade and Rainbow coalition growth is a staggering 100% per year. Moreover, both countries increasingly speak as one in international forums.

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RE: Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 2):

= Politicans everywhere are corrupt. Remember, the French ambassador going ballistic when AI bought Boeings, but being OK with IC purchase of Airbus.

Yeah that's what I meant, not just in regards to Brazil and India.
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RE: Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting United777 (Thread starter):
ust a question, how come airlines in India are ending up only ordering regional aircraft from ATR (-42 or -72) and Embraer (170 or 175) instead of Bombardier CRJ or Q-series

I'm told the main reason is the cost-advantage that the turbo-props offer on the short haul routes. There are numerous such regional routes (e.g. BLR-MAA, BLR-HYD, BLR-GOI etc.) that turbo props are best suited for.

Can someone more knowledgeable confirm this?
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RE: Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:50 pm

Quoting United777 (Thread starter):
Air Sahara is the only indian carrier to go with CRJ and I maybe wrong but these are leased aircraft or bought used from another carrier. Will Jet Airways keep the CRJ's in the Air Shara fleet

Very Unlikely 9W will retain those CRJ200s of S2.
The ATR is more efficient & has a smaller T/O roll.Better suited for small runways in the country.
Manpower [Flt ops/Mx] availability is another issue.Most Airlines would want trained personnell already qualified on type.

The ATR [42&72] will def have a long term presence in the Country.
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RE: Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:28 pm

Apparently recent reports suggested that Alliance Air /AIX went for the CRJ 200/700 series as Bombardier was the only one to respond to its tender of 7 regional aircraft, surprisingly EMB did not offer a bid only.

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RE: Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
Apparently recent reports suggested that Alliance Air /AIX went for the CRJ 200/700 series as Bombardier was the only one to respond to its tender of 7 regional aircraft, surprisingly EMB did not offer a bid only.

Is that consideration still on post merger.
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RE: Bombardier In India?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Is that consideration still on post merger.

Apparently it was announced 2 weeks after the merger, so i assume YES

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RE: Bombardier In India?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:12 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 8):
Apparently it was announced 2 weeks after the merger, so i assume YES

Personally I feel ATR42s will stay,not CRJ200s
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