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Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:36 am

I mean, there surely isn't anything super about them, why do AA folks call their MD80's super? I'll admit it annoys me a little, Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:40 am

When the MD80 series was first launched, the official designation was DC-9-80. From a marketing standpoint, MDD called the version the "Super 80." AA stuck with the marketing nick-name. Alitalia did the same as well (look at their engines, they say "Super 80"

The first official MD-8X designation was either the -87 or the -88 I believe. All models before that were certified as DC-9-8Xs.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:48 am

The original aircraft designation is actually a DC-9-80. However, several airlines at the time really wanted to differentiate this aircraft with the other DC-9 series (-10,-15,-20,-30,-40,-50). American and the "old" Frontier both used the Super 80 designation. The Super 80 was quite a different aircraft from the previous series aircraft in that it had much better performance, more capacity, fuel efficient (over the 727 and 737-200 they were replacing) and at the time, a very quiet aircraft compared to others. The Super 80 designation allowed these airlines to market the aircraft as basically a new airplane rather than a variation of an old airplane.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:49 am

The -60 series (61/62/63) DC-8s were also commonly referred to as the "Super 60" series when they were launched.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:50 am

Back in the late 60's/early 70's DL referred to their DC9-10'x, 15's as a "DC-9" a DC-9 30 or higher was referred to as a Super DC-9. It makes the customers think they are getting more for their money!
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:52 am

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
I'll admit it annoys me a little, Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...

Well that's because Delta does not own the Super80! I think it's a cute name, and personally, I think they are SUPER

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:04 am

Didn't MDD do the same thing with the stretches of the DC-8's as well, calling them "super 8's" or something like that?
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:15 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 6):
Didn't MDD do the same thing with the stretches of the DC-8's as well, calling them "super 8's" or something like that?

Indeed.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
The -60 series (61/62/63) DC-8s were also commonly referred to as the "Super 60" series when they were launched.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:40 am

I would like Boeing to consider nicknaming the 748i the "Super 747" as a tip of the hat to MD. Just a thought.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 5):
I think they are SUPER

I agree, dont care much for AA, but the plane is FAR more comfortable than a 737 or A-320 IMHO. Love the 3-2 thing. When you travel in a pair, as i always do, its perfect, and if you travel in a group of three, again its perfect.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 9):
Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 5):
I think they are SUPER

I agree, dont care much for AA, but the plane is FAR more comfortable than a 737 or A-320 IMHO. Love the 3-2 thing. When you travel in a pair, as i always do, its perfect, and if you travel in a group of three, again its perfect.

Couldn't agree more. It IS super in more ways than it frequently gets credit for.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:38 am

Which reminds me... when IS NW going to get rid of those aging DC-9s? Big grin
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:51 am

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 11):
Which reminds me... when IS NW going to get rid of those aging DC-9s?

Right after they finish shuttling the 320 pilots back from the desert.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:03 am

There were Super DC-3s,Super Phantoms, and also Super Hornets.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 9):
I agree, dont care much for AA, but the plane is FAR more comfortable than a 737 or A-320 IMHO



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 10):
Couldn't agree more. It IS super in more ways than it frequently gets credit for.

Help a brother out and explain how. I have flown AA's Super 80's a dozen or so times the past 3 years. I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines), outdated, stuffy and basically in bad condition. Most of my flights are typically on WN's 737's and various A32x's from other airlines, which I find relatively similar in terms of comfort. The 2-3 thing just makes me feel like I'm in an poor mans 757.

Granted that those LCC's have much newer fleets vs. AA's 80's. But did a new 80 really compare to a new NG or A32x in terms of comfort?
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines),



Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
But did a new 80 really compare to a new NG or A32x in terms of comfort?

It all depends on prospective. I don't think most would deny that 2x3 is more comfortable for 1/3rd of the passengers on the aircraft than 3x3 is. Just because AA's configuration isn't the best these days doesn't mean that an MD80 in the right hands couldn't easily be as or more comfortable than a 737 or A320. As far as being loud goes, they are very, very quiet toward the front because of engine location. It is sitting back by the engines that gets you.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
When the MD80 series was first launched, the official designation was DC-9-80. From a marketing standpoint, MDD called the version the "Super 80." AA stuck with the marketing nick-name. Alitalia did the same as well (look at their engines, they say "Super 80"

The first official MD-8X designation was either the -87 or the -88 I believe. All models before that were certified as DC-9-8Xs.

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:55 am

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
I'll admit it annoys me a little, Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...

Yeah, I agree. It sounds pretentious and corny at the same time.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:31 am

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
Help a brother out and explain how. I have flown AA's Super 80's a dozen or so times the past 3 years. I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines), outdated, stuffy and basically in bad condition. Most of my flights are typically on WN's 737's and various A32x's from other airlines, which I find relatively similar in terms of comfort. The 2-3 thing just makes me feel like I'm in an poor mans 757.

You have to be kidding? If you sit anywhere before row 20 and 21, the plane is almsot silent! Especially in the F cabin, sometimes it doesn't even sound like engines are on. AA's Super80's have had cabin upgrades, they are not outdated, especially compared to their 757,and 762 fleet. The 2/3 configuration has nothing to do with a "poor mans" anything, it's because the plane has a long sleek body, and it's really nice to not have a middle seat. They are extremly reliable as an aircraft, will be around for a while longer.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
outdated, stuffy and basically in bad condition.

It's strange to see someone write this. AA's Super 80s feature the same interior as the much newer 738s and 777s. The seats are very similar (even wider than the 737s) and the aircraft features new sidewalls, carpet and overhead bins. The Super 80s were overhauled between 2000 and 2002. The only difference is they don't have IFE. As far as interiors go, I think the Super 80s are in great shape. Even the lavs are completely overhauled.

The 80 has it's limits, for sure, but AA's are in great shape.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:24 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
As far as being loud goes, they are very, very quiet toward the front because of engine location.

I fly the MD80 every month to DFW. I notice that they are NOT very, very quiet in the first class section. They are relatively noisy in that compartment. Then, if you walk back toward the tail, you notice that it is much quieter in the front of the economy section until you get to about the middle of the plane. Then the noise increases substantially until you get to the rear where it is very loud next to the engines. Does anyone else notice this? I often see posts that say they are really quiet in the front, but this is not my experience. And I've done this routine of walking from first class, all the way to the rear of the plane many times, and its always the same. Loud in the font, relatively quiet in the middle, very loud in the rear. What causes it to be so noisy in the first class cabin since the engines are in the rear? I think some airlines have installed some sort of noise canceling devices in MD80 cabins.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 2):
a very quiet aircraft compared to others.

It's a sad day when we call the MD-80 series a quiet aircraft.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Drowns out the screaming children.

I might be deaf, but I don't mind sitting in the back on G4's MD80s. It isn't THAT bad...
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:30 am

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...

A Super 88 was an Oldsmobile...

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 9):
Love the 3-2 thing. When you travel in a pair, as i always do, its perfect, and if you travel in a group of three, again its perfect.

I agree. The 2 side is where I always try to sit on a DC-9.

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines),

I like the engine sound. I have never flown on a AA MD-80, but flew on TWA MD-80s lots of times and NW DC-9s dozens of times. Ever flown in the last row where the window looks out onto the engine? That is a noisy seat. Did that DTW-MKE on a DC-9 in 2000.

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 19):
If you sit anywhere before row 20 and 21, the plane is almsot silent! Especially in the F cabin

DC-9s are very quiet in F and in the lower number rows.

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
Granted that those LCC's have much newer fleets vs. AA's 80's. But did a new 80 really compare to a new NG or A32x in terms of comfort?

Depends how you outfit the plane. An MD-80 with 2-2 seating in big leather seats would beat the average A-320 any day. An A320 set up the same would beat out most MD-80s. It just depends.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 22):



Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 22):
It's a sad day when we call the MD-80 series a quiet aircraft.

When looking back to the introduction of the DC-9-80 (Super 80, MD-80) it is amazing how much quieter airliners have become. I remember Frontier using the Super 80 at SNA because it was so much quieter than the 737-200 (and a whole lot quieter than my favorite aircraft of all time the 727-200). Now, the much better engine performance of the newer aircraft such as the A320 and 737-800 that get them up and away from populated areas much quicker as well as being so much quieter make noise even less of an issue than it once was. Imagine what the next 20 years will do.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 22):
It's a sad day when we call the MD-80 series a quiet aircraft.

I think the differences people complain about are minor.

Quoting G4resagent (Reply 23):
I might be deaf, but I don't mind sitting in the back on G4's MD80s. It isn't THAT bad...

I agree, and I STILL dont see why anyone complains about the 777
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting Reality (Reply 21):
I fly the MD80 every month to DFW. I notice that they are NOT very, very quiet in the first class section.

Flew PIT- MSP a few weeks back on a NW DC-9-50 in row 5 right behind first class and it was very quiet. Return trip on a -30 right over the wing and other than the sound of flap and slat extension also very quiet. May have something to do with longer fuselage on the MD-80.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:39 am

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 24):
Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...

A Super 88 was an Oldsmobile...

Better yet... Delta 88s? GM would probably have a problem with that, though...
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:57 am

Good afternoon all,

I have been meaning to make a thread related to this, but with a slightly different bent. My question for this thread is :

Why all the derision of the DC9 / MD8X on airliners.net? To me they are pretty Super. I know that it is an old technology aircraft, but by and large, it has served fabulously well for decades. Plus one other thing : in my own experience as a very frequent flier across Europe for close to ten years, I have to say that I find the old Douglas design on the whole queiter, more comfortable and smoother in turbulance than the ubiquitous 737 or so called marvel A319/20. Now before anyone goes mental on me, let me clear, that I also beleive this has a lot to do with who is operating the ship, (Don't get me started on Spanair's attorcious MD's) and its configuration.

My observations on my most frequent route : AMS - MPX, a trip lasting 1:45 and over the Alps, which is always a bit bumpy. The Milan area is notorious for fog and Malpensa is close enough to big moutains as to require sharpish turns in incliment wheather. Amsterdam nearly always has strong winds.

Flying KLM and low cost Transavia 737's of all types, Alitalia MD's, and the odd baby airbus on this same route, without question, the MD was the smoothest and quietest, and I may be imagining things, but had the widest seats? And to be even more clear, I loathe Alitalia as an operator, and their fleet is definitely old and rather tired. But the same held true when going to CPH. The SAS MD's were a more pleasant fly than KLM's B737's (speaking purely about ride quality, not service). Certianly equal. The Boeing and Airbii all seem noisy as hell by comparison.

I have no bias for any manufacturer, so I am curious why so many American a.netters seem to hate this old but I think wonderful ship. To me they are pretty Super. Is it the US operators? Is their service so bad? I really don't know.

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting G4resagent (Reply 23):
I might be deaf, but I don't mind sitting in the back on G4's MD80s. It isn't THAT bad...

It's not bad at all. As MD mentioned above and I add to it ...

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Drowns out the screaming children

...or people falling asleep and snoring.


I often prefer to sit in the back. I can put my headphones on or whatever and watch my movies or listen to the songs and hear them just fine. The noise of the engines can actually make it a bit easier for me to fall asleep.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:37 am

Quoting Parabolica (Reply 29):
and I may be imagining things, but had the widest seats?

I always feel more cramped on a 737 or 320.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:42 am

I never understand the almost weekly hating on the AA M80s. I think I usually fly about 10-20 AA M80 segments a year (plus AS M80s) and they are fine planes. I mean they have more aisle and window seats due to the 2x3 layout and those are the seats people prefer. The interiors, as stated above, are newer than AA 757s etc. I recently as stuck in the last row on an ORD-LGA flight and that sucked but whatevs, only a 2 hour flight. Is AA's standard movie and eye on AAmerica bs on a flight not any longer than SFO-ORD really needed (I mean that's the only difference from a 738 or 752 in coach)? I'd rather be in a left side (2x) window seat up front on an AA MD80 than their 738s or over worked 752s or for that matter any other legacy's narrow bodies.

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:52 am

I was on a DL MD-88 last month when I went to CVG. I hadn't flown on one since the previous summer, but I really like them, especially with DL's leather seats. It's a comfortable and relatively quiet airplane in my opinion. I flew in the second to last row last summer coming home from CVG and the noise didn't bother me, I even took a nap!
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:22 am

I miss the "Luxury Liner" designation given to the AA widebodies. It should be "777 Luxury Liner."

The good ole days of AA.

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:38 am

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 5):
Well that's because Delta does not own the Super80! I think it's a cute name, and personally, I think they are SUPER

I am with you on that. It is very comfortable and quiet aircraft (depends on where you sit)

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 22):

It's a sad day when we call the MD-80 series a quiet aircraft.

Except for a few rows at the back the MD80 is quieter on the inside that the 737s or A320. Many times I fly on the 738 and MD80 on the same day and it is a NOTICEABLE difference in noise levels. Everyone say it is terrible at the back but I have never sat past row 20. Yes it is loud on the outside, but I don't sit out on the wing during the flight. Big grin

AA has their MD80s is excellent condition, almost looks as new as the 738s on the inside. So in reality, the only thing wrong with the 80s is the lack of IFE, a problem that really doesn't bother, but is soon to be fixed anyhow.

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 35):
I miss the "Luxury Liner" designation given to the AA widebodies. It should be "777 Luxury Liner."

The good ole days of AA.

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 37):
All the planes had the "Luxury Liner" titles.

If I remember correctly, some or all the narrowbodies were titled "Luxury Jets"
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:58 am

I'm pretty sure that MD marketed them as the "Super 80." I remember when my Dad was working for Frontier in the early 80's and they had just gotten them as had PSA and AA. All of those airlines also referred to the aircraft as a "Super 80." I'm pretty sure that somewhere I still have some MD marketing material that advertises the "Super 80."
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:12 pm

Some people seem to hate the MD-80s and the DC-9s. Why? Is is because they are getting on in years? The latest and greatest will be old one day too. It wasn't that long ago that the MD-80s were new. Some people just can't seem to appreciate a good airplane. Many of these same people would never watch a black and white movie or listen to some vintage music, simply because it wasn't new. I work with cars and I find that kind of attitude all the time. Some people would never even want to take a drive in a 1978 Cadillac Fleetwood, but they would be missing out on what a great car for its time it really was. Airplanes are no different.

Quoting Skyhawk62507 (Reply 28):
Better yet... Delta 88s? GM would probably have a problem with that, though...

Lots of versions of the 88. Delta, Super, Rocket, Holiday. Gotta' love those Oldsmobiles. I had a 1984 98 Regency, last year of the big model, a great car.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 30):
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Drowns out the screaming children

...or people falling asleep and snoring.

That would be my dad...  zzz 

Quoting Captaink (Reply 38):
If I remember correctly, some or all the narrowbodies were titled "Luxury Jets"

How about Eastern's Whisper Liners?

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 35):
I miss the "Luxury Liner" designation given to the AA widebodies. It should be "777 Luxury Liner."

When I was a kid I had a big Styrofoam AA DC-10 and it had Luxury Liner painted on it. That was a cool toy plane. It would fly really well. I had a lot of fun with that thing for years until it finally got stuck in a tree and I wasn't able to get it out. I wish I still had it.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:29 pm

Just pointing something out: Whenever I sit near the front in a DL MD-88, you can hardly even notice the pilot push the throttles forward. It's just a faint little sound coming from behind you, whereas when you sit in the last row you practically crap your pants when you hear those engines go to full thrust.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:04 pm

Quoting Captaink (Reply 36):
AA has their MD80s is excellent condition

To be fair, I've been on some that seemed like they were in okay shape, but many that weren't. Nothing I have seen has been excellent. Maybe I don't know AA's fleet all that well.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 42):
whereas when you sit in the last row you practically crap your pants when you hear those engines go to full thrust.

Yup. Sit in the last row window once, and I think you become anti Mad Dog. Even if you don't crap your pants, you are sitting outside the bathroom for the entire flight.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:31 pm

Quoting N960AS (Reply 32):
I never understand the almost weekly hating on the AA M80s. I think I usually fly about 10-20 AA M80 segments a year (plus AS M80s) and they are fine planes

I agree with you. I really like the graceful lines of the MD-80s, and I think they are one of the best looking planes in the sky. Also, I like how it's so quiet sitting up front, and the takeoff performance is great. Also, 2x3 seating means fewer middles. BTW, I flew on your namesake aircraft (1000th MD-80) a month or so back (SEA-LAX).
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:16 pm

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 43):
Even if you don't crap your pants, you are sitting outside the bathroom for the entire flight.

big deal, I have sat next to the bathroom on a A-320 before. It wasn't any different than a DC-9.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:34 pm

IMO configuration is more important than aircraft type.

I have flown in MD87, (Iberia) B737 Classics and A320.

I generally prefer the A320, but recently flew with ZB and wished that I had paid for more legroom.

The only meaningful comparison is to fly different types with same operators frequently.

How many airlines use MD80, B737 and A320?.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 22):
It's a sad day when we call the MD-80 series a quiet aircraft.

Back in the '80s I flew on 727s and MD-80s a lot. The MD-80s were significantly quieter. I've never set foot aboard an Airbus, so I have no basis for comparison there.

I was a regular on PSA at the time, and found their MD-80s (and DC-9-30s) quite comfortable. However, when I flew on an AA Super 80 a couple of years ago, the seats were cramped and narrow. Admittedly, it didn't help that I was stuck in a middle seat on a longish flight (DFW-RDU). The point is that diifferent airlines specify different seats, and that those seats are of varying sizes.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:15 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 37):
All the planes had the "Luxury Liner" titles.

Nope, wrong. Only the widebodies had "Luxury Liner" on them. Narrowbodies were "Luxury Jets."

The "Liner" made it sound like you were about to depart on a grand voyage.

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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:02 am

Some of you may remember the Super80 displayed as "S80" in schedule availability back when they were new instead of the current "M80". It was really strange back then to see DC... aircraft become MD... aircraft - took some getting used to.
 
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:25 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 12):
Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 11):
Which reminds me... when IS NW going to get rid of those aging DC-9s?

Right after they finish shuttling the 320 pilots back from the desert.

Now that was pretty funny.

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 22):
Quoting Stapleton (Reply 2):
a very quiet aircraft compared to others.

It's a sad day when we call the MD-80 series a quiet aircraft.

RIght?! The MD-80 is now the loudest thing flying. Funny how things change.
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RE: Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?

Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:20 am

Wow! I don't even know where to start here!

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
Couldn't agree more. It IS super in more ways than it frequently gets credit for.

Help a brother out and explain how. I have flown AA's Super 80's a dozen or so times the past 3 years. I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines), outdated, stuffy and basically in bad condition. Most of my flights are typically on WN's 737's and various A32x's from other airlines, which I find relatively similar in terms of comfort. The 2-3 thing just makes me feel like I'm in an poor mans 757.

Granted that those LCC's have much newer fleets vs. AA's 80's. But did a new 80 really compare to a new NG or A32x in terms of comfort?

Let's see: It has excellent dispatch reliability, good performance, has 1/3 fewer middle seats than a 737 or A-320, and is a very quiet ride (except the last few rows).

Why does a given seating configuration make it a "poor man's" anything? I think the ERJ with 3 across seating is way more comfortable than a CRJ with 4 across seating...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
don't think most would deny that 2x3 is more comfortable for 1/3rd of the passengers on the aircraft than 3x3 is. Just because AA's configuration isn't the best these days doesn't mean that an MD80 in the right hands couldn't easily be as or more comfortable than a 737 or A320. As far as being loud goes, they are very, very quiet toward the front because of engine location. It is sitting back by the engines that gets you

Yes, I agree with your points. I find the 737 to be hands down the misery index champ, with 6 across narrow seating and a very high ambient noise level, especially aft of the wing. I thank God every day that the 737-200's are gone from the fleet. There is some noise up in first starting aft of the fuselage curvature, which is slipstream related, and of course lots of noise back by the engines. If you don't want noise, don't sit there, so book your seats early.

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 19):
You have to be kidding? If you sit anywhere before row 20 and 21, the plane is almsot silent! Especially in the F cabin, sometimes it doesn't even sound like engines are on. AA's Super80's have had cabin upgrades, they are not outdated, especially compared to their 757,and 762 fleet. The 2/3 configuration has nothing to do with a "poor mans" anything, it's because the plane has a long sleek body, and it's really nice to not have a middle seat. They are extremly reliable as an aircraft, will be around for a while longer.

Love the 3 X 2...any middle seat is a thing to be avoided.

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 20):
It's strange to see someone write this. AA's Super 80s feature the same interior as the much newer 738s and 777s. The seats are very similar (even wider than the 737s) and the aircraft features new sidewalls, carpet and overhead bins. The Super 80s were overhauled between 2000 and 2002. The only difference is they don't have IFE. As far as interiors go, I think the Super 80s are in great shape. Even the lavs are completely overhauled.

An MD-80 when properly maintained has a quite presentable cabin. I can't vouch for all of AA's fleet, of course, but the consensus seems to be that the cabins are average at worst.

Quoting Reality (Reply 21):
I fly the MD80 every month to DFW. I notice that they are NOT very, very quiet in the first class section. They are relatively noisy in that compartment. Then, if you walk back toward the tail, you notice that it is much quieter in the front of the economy section until you get to about the middle of the plane. Then the noise increases substantially until you get to the rear where it is very loud next to the engines. Does anyone else notice this? I often see posts that say they are really quiet in the front, but this is not my experience.

See above. There are two different noise sources you are dealing with; the forward part of the airplane is quiet, but does sometimes have a degree of slipstream noise, the further aft you are the more noise you get from the engines, obviously. The engines have to go somewhere...the 737 is excruciating aft of the wing.

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 22):
Quoting Stapleton (Reply 2):
a very quiet aircraft compared to others.

It's a sad day when we call the MD-80 series a quiet aircraft.

It's quiet on the INSIDE, which is where you ride. It is among the noisiest of the stage 3 airliners on the outside.

Quoting Parabolica (Reply 29):
Why all the derision of the DC9 / MD8X on airliners.net? To me they are pretty Super. I know that it is an old technology aircraft, but by and large, it has served fabulously well for decades. Plus one other thing : in my own experience as a very frequent flier across Europe for close to ten years, I have to say that I find the old Douglas design on the whole queiter, more comfortable and smoother in turbulance than the ubiquitous 737

I don't get it either. It's reliable, comfortable, and lasts a long time.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 31):
I always feel more cramped on a 737 or 320.

Ditto; especially a 737.

Quoting N960AS (Reply 32):
I never understand the almost weekly hating on the AA M80s. I think I usually fly about 10-20 AA M80 segments a year (plus AS M80s) and they are fine planes. I mean they have more aisle and window seats due to the 2x3 layout and those are the seats people prefer.

Yeah, exactly. Many people disrespect the MD-80, but how many of those people would rather spend 3 hours in the middle seat on a 737 than in an aisle or window seat in an MD-80?

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 33):
I was on a DL MD-88 last month when I went to CVG. I hadn't flown on one since the previous summer, but I really like them, especially with DL's leather seats. It's a comfortable and relatively quiet airplane in my opinion.

Agree completely.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 35):
Except for a few rows at the back the MD80 is quieter on the inside that the 737s or A320. Many times I fly on the 738 and MD80 on the same day and it is a NOTICEABLE difference in noise levels.

I find that the 738 is a worse experience in every way, UNLESS you happen to be in the "cave" in the last few rows of the MD-80.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 40):
Whenever I sit near the front in a DL MD-88, you can hardly even notice the pilot push the throttles forward. It's just a faint little sound coming from behind you, whereas when you sit in the last row you practically crap your pants when you hear those engines go to full thrust.

Well, keep your colon in check; everything's in good shape!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 41):
Yup. Sit in the last row window once, and I think you become anti Mad Dog. Even if you don't crap your pants, you are sitting outside the bathroom for the entire flight.

Every airplane has a bathroom (we hope) to sit next to somewhere. If you don't like the back row, don't sit there. Reserve your seat early if it's an issue for you. The engines go someplace on every airplane, and sitting near them is noisy. Ever sit in the back of a 737-200? Same deal. See below.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 43):
big deal, I have sat next to the bathroom on a A-320 before. It wasn't any different than a DC-9.

Exactly.

Quoting Uscgc130 (Reply 45):
Back in the '80s I flew on 727s and MD-80s a lot. The MD-80s were significantly quieter.

ANYTHING was significantly quieter. The 727 was one noisy machine, especially in the cockpit. (The 737 is only marginally better, and mostly because it's slower.)