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Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:19 pm

How are the loads doing now on the SYD route via HKG???? When they started the averaged only 60-150 passengers carrying on through.

Hows it doing now???

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ekskycargo370
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:22 am

Very poor so I have been told,VS should axe the route!
 
sevenheavy
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting EKSkycargo370 (Reply 1):
Very poor so I have been told,VS should axe the route!

Completely untrue. The flight performs extremely well. It has shown particularly good loads in upper and premium. Considering it is still a relatively immature route it has shown very ecouraging gains in every area.

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aussie747
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:34 am

The problems the route is facing is a lot of pax wish to travel with them through to LHR but there are a few problems with availability especially in the upper cabins as reported by SevenHeavy. What VS is trying to do is market the destination of HKG for them to boost yields. What VS need to think about is adding a 2nd HKG-LHR flight, however I am not aware if anything is on that horizon for them at this stage. Perhaps someone can elaborate.
 
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sat Jun 09, 2007 6:37 am

Flew VS200 at the end of March, LHR-HKG was full, HKG-SYD was about 190 if I remember correctly. SYD-HKG at the end of April was 201, and HKG-LHR was full again.

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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:00 pm

Quoting Aussie747 (Reply 3):
What VS need to think about is adding a 2nd HKG-LHR flight, however I am not aware if anything is on that horizon for them at this stage. Perhaps someone can elaborate.

Or maybe make the HKG-SYD-HYG leg a 343 instead?
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swiftski
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:28 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Or maybe make the HKG-SYD-HYG leg a 343 instead?

No; this would mean having to base an aircraft in HKG or SYD, whereas now they are all based at LHR, and operate on rotation; 3 are operating the trip at any one time.

It's the 2nd HKG flight that is needed; to cater for the pax with HKG as final destination. At the moment a lot carry on to SYD, so wanting to fly the LHR-HKG becomes harder to find availabilty.
 
gemini573
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:19 am

Wasn't VS supposed to add additional frequencies on the LHR-HKG the last November? What happened to that?
 
Leezyjet
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:29 am

The route was shelved to use the a/c to operate LHR-CPT daily.

I think part of the reason was also due to NZ, QF and Oasis beginning operations on the route around that time.

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bastew
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:44 am

I non-reved SYD-HKG in Feb and economy was nearly full. Guess its more a yields game than loads game tho.
 
ikramerica
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:35 am

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 6):
It's the 2nd HKG flight that is needed; to cater for the pax with HKG as final destination. At the moment a lot carry on to SYD, so wanting to fly the LHR-HKG becomes harder to find availabilty.

So if it's the premium demand, and they need more LHR-HKG, then make the second flight a 343 to HKG?

It has a higher premium ratio than the 744, with good cargo room (though at that range, I imagine it would have to be low density west bound).
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MAS777
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:25 pm

VS should still consider rerouting LHR-KUL-SYD as i am certain there is money to be made here and it would be a better mix of passengers for yield - with possibly more seats available for premium pax between LHR and SYD.

Travelling monthly between LHR and KUL - its astonishing that flights continue to be heavily booked throughout this year so far in all 3 classes on MAS and for many regular travellers on this route - some healthy competition would be much appreciated.

However - am not sure parents SQ would be so keen on this idea as they take a lot of overspill via SIN... (as witnessed 2 weeks ago as there were a lot of pax on my connecting KL-SIN shuttle that were also on SQ320 ino LHR.)
 
Emirates029
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:36 pm

If LHR-KUL is so good how come BA axed the route ?
 
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
So if it's the premium demand, and they need more LHR-HKG, then make the second flight a 343 to HKG?

Yes, I would certainly agree with you on that. On the many occasions I try to fly to SYD I have to juggle my dates quite a bit as it's connecting with the LHR-HKG-LHR leg which cause severe problems with the availability.
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:22 pm

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 12):
If LHR-KUL is so good how come BA axed the route ?

Maybe it's as a result of BA stopping, that it now appears that more flights are needed.
 
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RE: Loads On Virgin Atlantic To SYD

Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting Emirates029 (Reply 12):
If LHR-KUL is so good how come BA axed the route ?

this has been discussed to death in previous posts.

BA left at a time when demand was very poor particularly in premium cabins (due to the Asian Financial Crisis of 97 and then 9/11) so KUL became a victim of its great 'Future Shape and Size' campaign. BA then relinquished its traffic rights to MAS - in effect preventing itself from returning with any ease.

Over the last 6 months of so - it seems that demand on the LHR-KUL sector is gaining in strength and perhaps also helped by the ex-KUL market (which is also recovering) since the Malaysian Ringgit was depegged from the USD. With MAS filling their seats twice daily and airlines like EK, GF, SQ, QR and EY starting to do well again from connecting traffic into/out of KUL - i am just wondering if there would be further demand for another carrier to offer a non-stop service.

Given the problem VS seems to be facing as posted by previous posters - with the demand for its LHR-HKG sector filling the aircraft - maybe selecting a city like KUL instead to stopover would resolve that as this would provide more availability for LHR-SYD passengers with LHR-KUL taking up any slack. KUL is also a relatively cheap station to operate into - given that Malaysia Airports charges very little compared with other airport in the region and perhaps this could improve their yield on the LHR-SYD run.

Of course this could change with Air Asia X planning to commence flights to the UK within the next 6-9 months.
Jetstar of course is also starting a KUL-SYD service in 3 months time so i guess this may be a further deterrant.

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