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The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:20 am

As the new guy to the forum...I will try not to piss anyone off. That being the case, I wont mention any company names.
After a recent transatlantic flight on a 757 outfitted with blended winglets I have come to the conclusion that the increased use of that plane on transatlantic routes will be the airlines excuse to do away with individual entertainment centers. Though the service was still exceptional, I felt like I was taking a 9 hour domestic flight.
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:24 am

I disagree. IFE can be a differentiator between two airline's products when price is similar and the ability to keep passengers entertained is helpful because they tend to not miss the lack of other amenities that have been cut over time...
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting WetleaseWill (Thread starter):
Though the service was still exceptional, I felt like I was taking a 9 hour domestic flight.

Doesn't sound like you flew Eos but I can assure you if you did, you would be thinking differently!

That being said, IMHO the 757 is a great aircraft to use acorss the pond on thinner international routes that wouldnt warrant a larger aircraft.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:30 am

Have to say, even though I haven't been on a 757 Transatlantic, I never felt that they are a comfortable aircraft. I don't have any statistics, but the cabin and seats always seemed to me to be incredibly narrow, at least in Y where I have mostly sat. Other than a great aircraft from the airlines' point of view, very unremarkable and rather uncomfortable for Y passengers. My favourite of all is still the 767, I don't usually get to fly up front, so either a 767-200 or 767-300. I just like the feeling of spaciousness.
I suppose a flight of 6 1/2 hrs. is not that much more than a long domestic, though, but for some reason I would still prefer at least a 767.
Also feels like we are going backwards, to the original 707 flights, where sometimes they could make it all the way across without refueling, and sometimes not. In this day and age, a flight across the Atlantic should never have to make a fuel stop. I often see flights having to stop at Gander, for example, and that is flights from Europe to the East Coast. With modern day travel and technology it seems like a step back.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:34 am

Not necessarily...

Delta Air Lines is outfitting it's TATL 757ETOPS with AVOD PTVs at every seat.

Continental Airlines is planning on doing the same, if not something similar (AVOD in J, PTV/Non-AVOD in Y I heard, but could be wrong).

That being said, it's no different from the days when 707s and DC8s flew TATL and no one had problems back then.

I am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting AY104 (Reply 3):
Have to say, even though I haven't been on a 757 Transatlantic, I never felt that they are a comfortable aircraft. I don't have any statistics, but the cabin and seats always seemed to me to be incredibly narrow, at least in Y where I have mostly sat.

I flew many years ago in a transatlantic Air Europa 757 between BCN and POP with a fuel stop in Bangor (Maine). IFE does not exist and was little uncomfortable but a great experience.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:49 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):

Continental Airlines is planning on doing the same, if not something similar (AVOD in J, PTV/Non-AVOD in Y I heard, but could be wrong).

Widescreen AVOD in Y is coming to the 757-200s starting this fall, while all 41 presently have AVOD (Panasonic eFX) in the BusinessFirst cabin.
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:50 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
I am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?

Have to agree. While the extra entertainment might be a nice touch, the degree of obsession with PTVs and the concept that one should have to be entertained all the time is totally ludicrous. I realize that there is the argument about airlines advertising these entertainments, that they should be able to function properly, and also from a competitive standpoint be available. However, the degree to which some people get so worked up about either not having them onboard, or they are available but not functioning properly, is alarming. Society has become ridiculous with the dependence upon constant entertainment by electronic devices.
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
That being said, it's no different from the days when 707s and DC8s flew TATL and no one had problems back then.

Sure it is. This is an often repeated error. 707s and DC8s didn't squeeze people in at 31" pitch. Much different. (Kudos to NW for giving more space in coach on their TATL 757s.)
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:54 am

Quoting AY104 (Reply 3):
even though I haven't been on a 757 Transatlantic, I never felt that they are a comfortable aircraft. I don't have any statistics, but the cabin and seats always seemed to me to be incredibly narrow, at least in Y where I have mostly sat. Other than a great aircraft from the airlines' point of view, very unremarkable and rather uncomfortable for Y passengers.



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
I am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?

Agree in full on both accounts.

Even when the particulars of a B752 look extremely good in paper, as a Y pax I find it awfully uncomfortable; it feels narrow and overcrowded; boarding and deplaning are slow processes, overhead bins tend to be insufficient, and meal services take forever... which also mean the aisle (the route to the lavatories) rermains blocked for long periods of time.

The obsession Alitalia744 mentions with PTVs may only be a cultural thing; it's very USA and that's it. Latin American, European, Middle and Far East pax are less obsessed with the idiotic screens.

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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:55 am

I am not saying that one should be entertained all the time, but I think a company should be consistent with their services. If you advertise a personal entertainment system on transatlantic flights, ...then have them on all transatlantic flights.

Ryanair is considering offering flights across the pond. Though I am not sure if would take them...they are at least consistent about the lack of service they provide. In addition, they expect you to celebrate the fact that you are being crammed into the plane like a sardine.
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?

Or, one can buy one of those new fangled Video iPods. I hear those are great for long flights too!
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Servi

Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:51 am

At least you didn't title it "The End Of Civilization As We Know It." While the airlines are attempting to optimize aircraft efficiency, lower operating cost and squeeze out the maximum yield on a particular market segment, they are also incrementally experimenting with how much torture the traveling public is willing to put up with; the lack of food and inflight amenities like IFE in Business Class and the least amount of seat pitch in coach.

The Boeing 757-200ER is just about the same size as the Boeing 707-320B flown forty years ago but the ambiance, service and seat pitch in coach are light years apart. Looking at magazine advertisements of that era hardens to a transatlantic traveling experience with airborne lounge areas and the attempt at airborne haute cuisine. Heck, the 707 even flew faster than the 757 (Mach .82 vs. .80) and from all reports, airport saturation was a nightmare of the future.

My relatives experienced the transatlantic 757 sardine can effect from Cleveland to London, Gatwick- one time only- and have sworn it off ever since, actually preferring to risk a connection delay in New York in order to fly in a 744 Business Class rather than flying nonstop CLE-LGW in a Boeing 757. If enough passengers boycott the 757 the airlines will discontinue using it. I personally doubt that time will ever come.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:01 am

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 12):
The Boeing 757-200ER is just about the same size as the Boeing 707-320B flown forty years ago but the ambiance, service and seat pitch in coach are light years apart. Looking at magazine advertisements of that era hardens to a transatlantic traveling experience with airborne lounge areas and the attempt at airborne haute cuisine. Heck, the 707 even flew faster than the 757 (Mach .82 vs. .80) and from all reports, airport saturation was a nightmare of the future.

 checkmark  Right on the money. Some of the early DC-8s had 40" pitch in coach (each row aligned with each window). Even the early 747s were only 9-across in coach, with ample legroom, instead of 10-across as it is today.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:03 am

Fly on Icelandair 757´s and then you will change your mind.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
Even the early 747s were only 9-across in coach, with ample legroom, instead of 10-across as it is today.



And early DC-10s and L1011s were 8-across in Y, which soon became 9-across...and even 10-across on some aircraft.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:11 am

Quoting AY104 (Reply 7):
Have to agree. While the extra entertainment might be a nice touch, the degree of obsession with PTVs and the concept that one should have to be entertained all the time is totally ludicrous. I realize that there is the argument about airlines advertising these entertainments, that they should be able to function properly, and also from a competitive standpoint be available. However, the degree to which some people get so worked up about either not having them onboard, or they are available but not functioning properly, is alarming. Society has become ridiculous with the dependence upon constant entertainment by electronic devices.

AMEN! Thank you for saying this; I absolutely could not agree more or have written it more eloquently!

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 9):
Even when the particulars of a B752 look extremely good in paper, as a Y pax I find it awfully uncomfortable; it feels narrow and overcrowded; boarding and deplaning are slow processes, overhead bins tend to be insufficient, and meal services take forever... which also mean the aisle (the route to the lavatories) rermains blocked for long periods of time.

I think YC in any Boeing narrowbody is painful, the 757 perhaps the worst offender of the bunch for the reasons you quite correctly listed. I am interested in flying the NWA product with increased legroom.

Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 14):
Fly on Icelandair 757´s and then you will change your mind.

On this I agree. If you have to fly a 757 for a long duration, Icelandair is the way to go, and the wonderful relief of a KEF stopover is always welcome.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:23 am

Let me punch in with my two cents worth.
It is OK to dislike the 757-200 trans-atlantic if your reasons are lack of seat pitch or dislike of a single aisle.
It is not OK if it is lack of PTV's.

In my experience the only passengers who use and care about PTV's are young American males who do like to read. Do thay require entertainment all the time in their life? If they are at home for a few hours do they ever pick up a book to read or do they have to have video games.

From my experience very few passengers care about PTV's. At the most, they may watch a movie on a long flight.

As someone said a few messages before this one, it is only in the US that people care about entertainment onboard. I narrow that down even further to young American males, who do not make up a significant portion of international travelers.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:25 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
On this I agree. If you have to fly a 757 for a long duration, Icelandair is the way to go, and the wonderful relief of a KEF stopover is always welcome.



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 16):
On this I agree. If you have to fly a 757 for a long duration, Icelandair is the way to go, and the wonderful relief of a KEF stopover is always welcome.

Yea and also FI is upgrading their IFE to have a rather nice offering ... http://www.icelandair.com/home/suppo...ws-room/detail/store34/item100156/ take a look ..note to Moderators this is not an advertisement, it is purely helping my point.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting WetleaseWill (Thread starter):
As the new guy to the forum...I will try not to piss anyone off. That being the case, I wont mention any company names.
After a recent transatlantic flight on a 757 outfitted with blended winglets I have come to the conclusion that the increased use of that plane on transatlantic routes will be the airlines excuse to do away with individual entertainment centers. Though the service was still exceptional, I felt like I was taking a 9 hour domestic flight.

The 757 allows secondary cities that would never have had transatlantic service, be served by the likes of CO and DL. I have flown 757's across the atlantic countless times, and they're fine. If I'm flying in Y, I would prefer a wide-body a/c so I can get up and move about a bit more, but 757's are fine!
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
checkmark Right on the money. Some of the early DC-8s had 40" pitch in coach (each row aligned with each window). Even the early 747s were only 9-across in coach, with ample legroom, instead of 10-across as it is today.

Aero- Trans-Canada Air Lines (now AC) initial DC-8s (11 x Series 40) had _48_ inch pitch, in both F & Y.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:42 am

I am not sure why the 757 is being blamed for this. Take a flight on a lot of British Airways widebodies, United's widebodies and Delta widebodies, and you'll see the same lack of PTV in coach, this is not a narrowbody issue
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 17):
As someone said a few messages before this one, it is only in the US that people care about entertainment onboard. I narrow that down even further to young American males, who do not make up a significant portion of international travelers.

I don't know if I agree with that 100%--there's been an awful lot of griping about LH's lack of PTVs in coach.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 20):
Aero- Trans-Canada Air Lines (now AC) initial DC-8s (11 x Series 40) had _48_ inch pitch, in both F & Y.

You could be very right, I had 40 stuck in my mind for some reason. I will defer to your knowledge on it.
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:02 am

Am I the only one that finds Y-class PTVs annoying? Especially on a red-eye?
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 20):

That was back before deregulation when you could make money with a half full airplane
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 23):
Am I the only one that finds Y-class PTVs annoying?

No, you're not. I find all the flickering distracting, and disappointed when shades are requested to be shut so others may see their screens. I'd rather look out the window, myself. Nature's PTV.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
I don't know if I agree with that 100%--there's been an awful lot of griping about LH's lack of PTVs in coach.

And yet LH is one of the worlds most consistently profitable airline. Clearly, if PTV's really made that much of a difference, LH would not be doing as well as it does.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:25 am

I don't see the point in complaining. If you don't like 757s, then fly via LHR of CDG or AMS or what have you. The 757 allows CO to fly EWR-ARN non-stop(most of the time). Witch is great news for me, otherwise I'd be stuck paying for a ticket on SK, or always flying through CDG or AMS. That does not seem like a step backwards to me. But after a few hundred hours in C172, a 757 seems like huge to me!
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:35 am

I know that I will be trying my best not to fly on one airline that uses the B757. At least not until they clean them up on the inside and the inflight crew became more friendly. That trip I had to GLA and SNN was 2 flights from hell. Next trip is coming up next August and I will be flying a bigger aircraft and up front for comfort...
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
I am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs

I couldn't give a toss about the movies etc on the PTV but I want my moving map at all times. I used to hate it when they would put the map on for the first 30 minutes on the main screen and then go to some idiotic movie.  Smile
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting ThirteenRight (Reply 11):
Or, one can buy one of those new fangled Video iPods. I hear those are great for long flights too!

What is this obessesion with electronics, or for that matter, the printed word? Why can't people just bring along their tribal story shaman like they used to. All this new technology makes slaves of us all...

On a more serious note, until the tatl 757s are equipped with PTVs, they are more akin to the way it used to be to travel across the atlantic, in the dark ages of 1995. So, with that in mind, "service" has nothing to do with it when it comes to PTV or not.

CO offers the same level of "service" on the 757 as they do the 767. If that isn't up to your standards, that's a different story, as there is a case to be made that all the service has gotten worse in 10 years. But to claim a 757 offers less service when they serve the same food on seats with the same pitch, I'm not sure how you can conclude that.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:38 am

The reason that NW didn't put PTV's on the 757 was because of the weight. Which would severely limit it and would have to leave several people behind every flight. CO already keeps them stuffed on their 757 TATL and adding PTV's would be killer to their performance, especially with the RR engines.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:02 am

If people are that concerned about PTVs why not get an iPod or portable DVD player?
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:08 am

Some people prefer nonstop and the shortest routes possible over most forms of service. Service is nice and a good addition, but not the only thing. I'll miss the extra service offered, but you can always choose to fly on BA and connect if you so wish. That option is not gone, but more options are available. I think the 757 is a great addition.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:14 am

NW has 8 more A330s to be delivered though the DC10s have all been removed from scheduled service. Some of these flight may just to test the markets before putting on a bigger more costly aircraft
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:18 am

All I know is that I would much, much, much rather take the CO 757 flight from EWR-BRS and have a 15 minute drive to where I'm going than fly into LHR or LGW on a widebody and then have an additional 3 or 4 hours of driving ahead of me. PTVs are nice, but it's not like the airline bans you from bringing your own "IFE" onto the plane! Just take a good book, iPod, puzzle book, magazine, newspaper, portable DVD player, etc...on board.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:35 am

Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 29):

I couldn't give a toss about the movies etc on the PTV but I want my moving map at all times. I used to hate it when they would put the map on for the first 30 minutes on the main screen and then go to some idiotic movie. Smile

Same here, just give me the moving map & I'll supply the games (DS Lite), music/video (iPod) myself.
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 4):
I am continually amazed at the obsession with PTVs. People can listen to music or even *GASP* bring a book, no?

PTV's are something people are becoming used to. The fact that they can watch TV on 2 hour domestic flights with a "discount" carrier, and not have one on a $1,000 transatlantic flight... I can see the average Joe being ticked off over it.

I like to read and all, but I can only read a book for so many hours, listen to my ipod for so long, and read the inflight mag so many times before I get bored.

I don't see why the "obsession" amazes you so much...
 
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:14 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 31):
CO already keeps them stuffed on their 757 TATL and adding PTV's would be killer to their performance, especially with the RR engines.

If only this were true. They are adding them, and even added 3 more seats when they switched the system from the old heavy tape based system to the current AVOD (which is AVOD for the front of the cabin, and uses the AVOD system to show a series of programs on the main screens).

So they were able to add 3 seats without hurting the range of the aircraft. Or maybe they just decided not to fill those seats on the longest routes, but make up for it with the revenue from all the rest of their flights.

CO is adding AVOD to the 757 Y section. This will include an upgrade to the seat, though not like CX or those other solid plastic shell seats.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:16 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 17):
From my experience very few passengers care about PTV's.

You must be right. That is why EVERY leading airline in the world is rushing to offer or is already offering PTV in every seat.

Wake up dude. Humans are not meant to be held captive on 17.5"x31" space for 6+ hours without at least some sort of diversion. Books and magazines are OK for a 2-3 hours. After that most humans want to switch activities. And yes, humans' time is becoming very valuable, and most modern humans want to take maximum advantage of every second of their time and want to have CHOICES.

If there is no PTV you have one less choice. It is as simple as that.

I sure hope you are not in charge of running any business where customer service is required. You seem to have the attitude of "I know better than my customers what is best for them".

Ouch.
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Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:19 am

I live in Germany near CGN, where CO flies from EWR. There are ads all over town for CO and their route CGN-EWR. I was amazed to find out later that they use B757 for this!

I know this is no problem technically, but I just wonder who wants to ride for such long trips on a narrowbody aircraft. I always travel on a budget, hence Y, and can do fine without PTV - but not without walking around the plane or standing near the galley for some time after the service.

Perhaps someone from CO could tell us how the route CGN-EWR is doing, I wonder if people accept longhaul flights on narrowbodies.
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:42 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 32):
If people are that concerned about PTVs why not get an iPod or portable DVD player?

Because apart from the weight the batteries last less than the length of some films.

Quoting PacificWest (Reply 37):
PTV's are something people are becoming used to.

Last long haul flight I was on, I was bored after 5 hours, after reading everything I had. It's nice to be able to watch a few films on demand. Next time I fly it'll be with an airline with PTV.

Even a PTV with a limited choice is better than one choice. The films airlines generally show aren't great either.

At home, my PC has everything I want (DVD, internet, music) on demand, with modern technology, why shouldn't this be available on an aircraft? Wouldn't have expected it 10 years ago, but now I would choose an airline over another if I knew it had PTV.
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:01 am

I fly a 752 every year at Christmas to YYZ to POS - 51/2 hr flight. Yes, they are tight and have a bad pitch! I would not like to be on a Transatlantic flight on one. I agree about the PTV's - not a big issue!
 
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:47 am

PTVs make time go faster. If you can choose your movies, or watch a series of TV shows, the hours fly by. You are less likely to be getting up and going to the bathroom or be worried about when the next meal is being served. You are generally a better neighbor to the seat next to you.

Quoting Konstantinkoll (Reply 40):
I know this is no problem technically, but I just wonder who wants to ride for such long trips on a narrowbody aircraft.

Not sure about the CGN flight, but the other flights (Hamburg and Berlin) have been doing great. While I like widebodies too, I flew HAM-EWR and it was fine. Of course, I was in the front, but it's still a narrowbody, and I found it a bit more cozy, actually. The experience was no worse than flying in the 777 to FRA, other than the 777 having larger bathrooms.

PTVs will help pass the time in Y.

Quoting Lorgem1 (Reply 42):
Yes, they are tight and have a bad pitch! I would not like to be on a Transatlantic flight on one.

Pitch has nothing to do with aircraft.

Some airlines put 30" pitch on their A320 series aircraft. B6 has 34-36".

The only thing the 757 limits is seat width, which is generally 17.2", the same as the 747 in Y.
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:32 pm

I don't see a difference between JFK-LAX on a 757 than JFK-LHR on a 757. Both flights are about the same length... 6.8 hours vs. 7.4.
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting WetleaseWill (Thread starter):
I have come to the conclusion that the increased use of that plane on transatlantic routes will be the airlines excuse to do away with individual entertainment centers.

It was said on this forum a few times, that the average traveller does not know what IFE,AVOD etc etc is. We the enthusiasts know about it and propably frequent travellers but in generell people tend to look at the price rather if there is a personal videoscreen.

Quoting Dampfnudel (Reply 36):

Hey, that´s a fency name you have choosen!  bigthumbsup 
 
bobnwa
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 39):
I sure hope you are not in charge of running any business where customer service is required. You seem to have the attitude of "I know better than my customers what is best for them".

I think I do know what the customer wants, and it is not PTVs. You seem to have the attitude that the members of this forum are representative of the flying public, and what they want they should get.
Whether a flight has PTVs or not ranks well down on the list when most travelers choose a flight. I have seen surveys that back that statement up.

Do you require entertainment every minute while at home?
 
Indio66
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:40 pm

I have flown the 757 across many times, and have a CO business first flight coming up in a couple of weeks, and would much rather be on a smaller aircraft. Business class is great on the dedicated carriers (L'Avion, EOS), and the coach is much better than making a connection. With solid IFE, the vast majority of coach passengers will not care about the particular aircraft, IMO.
 
ikramerica
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 45):
It was said on this forum a few times, that the average traveller does not know what IFE,AVOD etc etc is.

Just because it was said, doesn't make it true.

Once a customer has ONE flight on an AVOD system, they remember and wonder why the next plane doesn't have it.

I hear comments like "I could choose whatever I wanted to watch at my seat. All planes should have that."

Same holds for those DirecTV systems on B6 and F9. "There was TV at my seat!" Then they wonder why every other plane doesn't have that.

Are people going to check BEFORE the flight when booking and pay more? Not yet for the most part. But it does add to the experience so they remember "next time I'm going to fly X,Y,Z airline"
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itsnotfinals
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RE: The 757 Is The End Of Inflight Trans Atl Service

Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 41):

Because apart from the weight the batteries last less than the length of some films.

I have a Panasonic personal DVD player that was 119 bucks at Costco and the battery always lasts 4 hours minimum. Total weight is negligible.
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