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CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:45 am

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My instructor told me yesterday that the CO Hangar at DEN is being leased out to F9. I was wondering for those folks based at DEN know the truth to that. If that is not true, why doesn't F9 have its own hangar at DEN considering the fact that they are home based there?

Any answers would be appreciated. Thanks!
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:55 am

Frontier leased a part of the hangar until the lease expired in February and since then have been on a month-to-month sublease until they decide on whether to build a hangar in Denver or elsewhere.

They did try to buy the hangar from Continental at one point.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:12 am

Have always been at least one F9 Airbus in front of said hangar when I have flown into DEN over the past 3 years...last week there was one Airbus there.
 
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
I was wondering for those folks based at DEN know the truth to that.

BA is correct. But it has been useful for both Continental and Frontier.

Continental built the hangar for their hub at DEN, but when that was wound down, Frontier, then a small start-up, leased the space.

Now that Frontier has grown to its present size, it has become an issue. According to the Frontier CEO last week, they are negotiating with DIA to build a five bay hangar of their own.

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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:56 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
According to the Frontier CEO last week, they are negotiating with DIA to build a five bay hangar of their own.

That would be so, so, so sweet! I am considering applying to F9. I saw their commercials on YouTube.com and was totally impressed by their creativity. Seems like they are the 2nd coming of WN.

Where does F9 sent their aircraft for heavy checks? Also, are there any outstanding aircraft deliveries that F9 is expecting? What about SJU service?

Thanks once again!
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:06 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Where does F9 sent their aircraft for heavy checks?

On the same CC, the CEO said they are doing their own C checks - which may be part of the reason for the hangar. Thy are already hiring (have hired?) C check specialists.

I don't know if they are going to do the D checks in-house when they come up.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Also, are there any outstanding aircraft deliveries that F9 is expecting?

N812FR - the 11th A318 - flies from Hamburg Finkenwerder to Orlando next week for DirectTV installation, plus the new, leather Spectrum seats. It is due in DEN on June 27.

The next delivery will be the first A320 - next February,

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
What about SJU service?

They just announced DEN-SJO. I don't know if they are thinking about SJU.  Smile

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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
I don't know if they are going to do the D checks in-house when they come up

I would LOVE to be a part of that crew!!

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
N812FR - the 11th A318

Which animal will that one be?

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
The next delivery will be the first A320 - next February,

Im assuming the tail number for that might start with a 3?
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
Which animal will that one be?

A big grizzly bear, standing up. There's a photo of it on planepictures.net.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
Im assuming the tail number for that might start with a 3?

I believe the first A320 is to be N201FR - but don't hold me to that.

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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
A big grizzly bear, standing up.

Griz has competition!!!

Quoting Mariner (Reply 7):
I believe the first A320 is to be N201FR

Right, I originally assumed it would be a 3. But you might be right...starting with a 2. The last two digits, who knows.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:40 am

Quoting BA (Reply 1):
sublease until they decide on whether to build a hangar in Denver or elsewhere.

To any F9 higher ups that browse this site, BNA currently has plenty of room for you here. LOL!!!!

I am being serious, but I am kidding in the same breath. I had to get a plug in you know.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:01 am

F9 leased space at the CO hangar, now that that lease is over CO is beefing up their maintenance base at Denver. They are hiring more mechanics and will bring the maintenace facility up to full speed, lots of 737s coming on board that need maintenance.

CO's mainline maintenance facilities:

Newark (four hangars, two narrowbody, two widebody)
Houston IAH
Houston Hobby
Los Angeles
Honolulu
Orlando (two large multi-bay hangars)
Denver.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:07 am

Quoting Lexy (Reply 9):
To any F9 higher ups that browse this site, BNA currently has plenty of room for you here. LOL!!!!

Shhh!!!!! Don't tell them that!!!! DEN has alot of ground space around the airport for a new hangar. They should consider THAT before putting a hangar elsewhere. Besides, it makes sense because almost every flight originates in DEN and comes back to DEN, per their route map and also they are homebased there.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):

Thanks for that information, but not what I was really driving at.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:41 am

F9 might not need that big of hanger if they keep losing money. I thought they outsourced all their heavy maint?
 
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
F9 might not need that big of hanger if they keep losing money.

Happily, MEM looks as if it is helping that cause - MEM-MCO gos to 2 x daily at Christmas and DEN-MEM goes to 3 x daily.  

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
I thought they outsourced all their heavy maint?


See above - #5. C checks confirmed by the CEO at the Analysts Summit.

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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
CO's mainline maintenance facilities:

What ever happened to CO's big Greenborough SC (spelling, correct state?) maintenance operation. I know that DEN and Greenborough were both competing for a major maintenance facility in the early 90's but I don't see it on that list. Was it a bust?
 
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:14 pm

"CO's mainline maintenance facilities:

Newark (four hangars, two narrowbody, two widebody)
Houston IAH
Houston Hobby
Los Angeles
Honolulu
Orlando (two large multi-bay hangars)
Denver."

Dont forget Guam (one 737 sized)
 
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:49 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):



Quoting COSPN (Reply 15):

Thank you both for the hangar facilities that CO has, but I was mainly focusing on F9's mx hangar ops and their future plans.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:21 pm

Quoting JumboBumbo (Reply 14):
Greenborough SC (spelling, correct state?)

Greensboro, North Carolina

I'm pretty sure they still do maintenance there.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:26 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
they are negotiating with DIA to build a five bay hangar of their own.

this is true.

CO offered F9 a price to purchase their hanger at DIa...it was a price that F9 laughed at...then politely told them "no thanks."

The buzz is that F9 will, as stated above, build a hanger at DIA. the airport is bent on getting them to build here.


Interesting factoid: In the future, when DIA builds Concource D, the UAL hanger will be torn down - UAL will build a replacement to the north of the current site. UAL built the present one where they did in full knowledge of this...but they figured it will be a good hanger for most likely 20 years or so...and by that time...we'll build a bigger and better one (and they got a good deal on the land rights. This is why the other maintenance hangers are so far to the north of the concourses.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:27 pm

I presume F9 has considered the ex-NWA Airbus hangar at DLH? NW doesn't own it anymore so a reasonable probably could be struck with the state of MN.
 
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:34 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 18):

Why not just have a 'hangar row' and build all the hangars on the west side of the airport? Easier said than done, but that is one alternative. There is just so much space around DEN that you can do anything with that airport. Isn't F9 corporate offices just down the street from DEN?
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:57 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 20):
Isn't F9 corporate offices just down the street from DEN?

It is just off of Tower Rd, just south of Pena blvd. So, yes, it is in fact very close to the airport. It is on the north side of all those "free standing" hotels out there that line Tower. Been there lots of times, they have a great facility. Now, on the other hand, I guess I missed the boat as to why Lynx's HQ is going to be off in the regular office parks of Denver...
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:06 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 21):
I guess I missed the boat as to why Lynx's HQ is going to be off in the regular office parks of Denver...

There is another thread that discusses that. I was saying in there that F9 and Lynx should be 1 company with the same crews and using F9 A&P's. Somebody else suggested that it should be alot like the AS/QX sister airline method.

Lynx can share an office with F9 too!
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:03 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
Orlando (two large multi-bay hangars)

Not to get off the subject.....but how did CO obtain this large
facility in MCO? from Eastern ???
 
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:48 pm

Quoting N801NW (Reply 19):
I presume F9 has considered the ex-NWA Airbus hangar at DLH? NW doesn't own it anymore so a reasonable probably could be struck with the state of MN.

Its just sitting up in Duluth, collecting snow..
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:59 pm

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 24):
Duluth

That could be a good place to do some, if not all, of the heavy checks for F9.

Does anyone know as to why NW screwed the state of Minnesota and/or the City of DLH on this hangar thing?
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:03 pm

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/04/12/nwaduluth/

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But work stopped at the Duluth facility in August of 2005 when mechanics struck Northwest Airlines. The airline declared bankruptcy, and the mechanics were gone.

F9 Should look a DLH..
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 26):

They left DLH long before 2005, I believe. IIRC, NW left the DLH base because of outsourcing, not because of the strike.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 27):

I believe worked slowed up there due to outsourcing, but ended in 2005 becuase of the strike and bankruptcy.

Quote:
A bill in the legislature will drop a requirement the base be occupied only by a Minnesota-based corporation.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/04/12/nwaduluth/

That would definitly open it up to F9 and since the base was designed to handle Airbus'. I don't know if those kind of maintenance bases can easily be switched in respect to Airbus to Boeing.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 28):
I believe worked slowed up there due to outsourcing, but ended in 2005 becuase of the strike and bankruptcy.

That's not what I heard. The DLH base was shut down way before the strike ever came to light, around 2003-04, IIRC.

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 28):
That would definitly open it up to F9 and since the base was designed to handle Airbus'. I don't know if those kind of maintenance bases can easily be switched in respect to Airbus to Boeing.

I disagree, if the hangar can handle an Airbus aircraft, it can handle anything including Boeings.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 29):
I disagree, if the hangar can handle an Airbus aircraft, it can handle anything including Boeings.

Thats what I thought, I just was not sure if the tooling was different. I have no idea about aircraft

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 29):
That's not what I heard. The DLH base was shut down way before the strike ever came to light, around 2003-04, IIRC.



Quote:
The Duluth Economic Development Authority will assume ownership of the maintenance base when the bonds are paid off, probably this month The next challenge, Bergson said, will be to find a new tenant for the building which has been idle since 2005.

http://www.am1500.com/categoryfolders/Stories/S102153.shtml

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-07-09-nwa-duluth_x.htm
That article was published in 2004 defending the 'Commitment' to Duluth.

I find nothing that leads me to believe that they left in 2003, but 2005 when the strike and bankruptcy came around.

Quote:
Still, union officials said only about 250 mechanics worked there when the strike began.

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=105868

I think that facility would be a decent fit for F9 if they needed the space. I think everyone is desperate to find a tenant for the facility.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 18):
Interesting factoid: In the future, when DIA builds Concource D, the UAL hanger will be torn down - UAL will build a replacement to the north of the current site. UAL built the present one where they did in full knowledge of this...but they figured it will be a good hanger for most likely 20 years or so...and by that time...we'll build a bigger and better one (and they got a good deal on the land rights. This is why the other maintenance hangers are so far to the north of the concourses.

I think that would be Concourse E, not D. The train tracks already run out to E, and my understanding from a construction manager on site is that there is enough room to put D there.
 
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:44 am

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 30):
I find nothing that leads me to believe that they left in 2003, but 2005 when the strike and bankruptcy came around.

I dont have any sources to back this up, but the abandoning of DLH had absolutely nothing to do with the strike. NW just.....left. I don'r really believe some of the media reports out there.

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 31):
think that would be Concourse E, not D. The train tracks already run out to E, and my understanding from a construction manager on site is that there is enough room to put D there

They should put the hangars on the west side of the airport, that is if F9 builds their own. I hope they do. I support that idea. Call it 'Hangar Row'.  Smile
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32):
I dont have any sources to back this up, but the abandoning of DLH had absolutely nothing to do with the strike. NW just.....left. I don'r really believe some of the media reports out there.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...es/2005/08/17_kelleherb_nwaduluth/

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In the event of a strike, Northwest is expected to close the base. But, that could violate an agreement between the airline, the state, and city of Duluth.

Pretty crystal clear that mechanics were staffed in DLH until 2005 until the strike. I dont know how one can not trust MPR or NPR.. If I was pulling my source from Wikipedia, I could understand.

Would there be any chance that F9 would snach up that facility? I am sure it would bring lots of much needed jobs and revitalization to Duluth. The Northland (Minnesota) is aging quickly IMHO.

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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):

Does anyone know as to why NW screwed the state of Minnesota and/or the City of DLH on this hangar thing?

NWA pretty much has screwed anyone they have dealt with...customers,employees,cities,states,hotels in Arizona Smile

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32):
I dont have any sources to back this up, but the abandoning of DLH had absolutely nothing to do with the strike. NW just.....left. I don'r really believe some of the media reports out there

They had pulled back before the strike but it wasn't shut down,I know a few guys who were there up to the strike.

My guess is some MRO facility will get the Duluth base.
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RE: CO Hangar At DEN.

Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:42 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 23):
Not to get off the subject.....but how did CO obtain this large
facility in MCO? from Eastern ???

i believe they bought them from who ever owns the airport.........the last time i was down there (1 years ago) they where only using 1 of them......the other one had a DL MD-88 in it........it is CO hangar but last i herd they lease it out on a day by day deal.........the hangar they use is really nice. They cleaned it up painted it and put all new stuff in there.

The old NWA hangar in ATL is open as long as FL doesn't try and get it.
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