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Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:58 pm

Ryanair has announced the launch of 13 new routes (two aircraft) from Stockholm Skavsta.

Route - Start Date - Weekly flights
Alicante Oct 3 x week
Basel Oct 3 x week (rumours were correct)
Berlin Oct 7 x week
Bratislava Oct 7 x week
Eindhoven Oct 4 x week
Baden Oct 4 x week
Liverpool Oct 4 x week
Malta Oct 2 x week
Pisa Oct 3 x week
Porto Oct 3 x week
Salzburg Dec 2 x week
Trapani Oct 2 x week
Valencia Oct 4 x week

Some quite long sector lenghts there. First flight to BSL and first non UK/IRL route frrom Salzburg but the other routes are very much connecting usual dots.

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:11 pm

Great, Eindhoven! This morning, luchtvaartnieuws.nl already mentioned that FR were to announce a new EIN-route today, so they were right  Wink

Nice to see Ryanair expanding again from one of the oldest bases. NYO was stopped from expanding last years, as it had reached the limits of the environmental permit. Now they permit has been revised, so there is room for expansion.

It will be interesting to see if Ryanair will expand more into BSL. It's their first airport in Switzerland, by the way.
 
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. B

Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:25 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
It will be interesting to see if Ryanair will expand more into BSL. It's their first airport in Switzerland, by the way.

Technically, BSL is a French airport. The airport code is LFSB so this designates it as a French airport as well.
Not to say that Basel isn't Switzerland, but still FR doesn't serve any Swiss airport.

See the FAQ page of the airport on http://www.euroairport.com/DE/faq.php?theme=428

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:35 pm

Anyone knows if FR flies to PMI from Sthlm/Skavsta?

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. B

Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:41 pm

Quoting Teahan (Thread starter):
Ryanair has announced the launch of 13 new routes (two aircraft) from Stockholm Skavsta.

I'm very pleased to see Porto (Oporto) in that list. Its remarkable to see how well Ryanair has been doing in Porto.  Smile

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 3):
Anyone knows if FR flies to PMI from Sthlm/Skavsta?

No.
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:16 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 2):
Technically, BSL is a French airport. The airport code is LFSB so this designates it as a French airport as well.
Not to say that Basel isn't Switzerland, but still FR doesn't serve any Swiss airport.

Interesting discussion  Smile Of course, you are right that the airport is located on French territory. However, on the other hand, they decided to fly into BSL (the Swiss part of the airport), and not MLH (the French part of the airport). Passengers will pass Swiss immigration officiers, so they will actually be in Switzerland. Can we consider the BSL-part of the airport as a Swiss airport on French soil? And how do airlines decide whether to serve BSL or MLH?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
I'm very pleased to see Porto (Oporto) in that list. Its remarkable to see how well Ryanair has been doing in Porto.

Do you know if Ryanair has intentions to start a base in OPO? Is there enough terminal and apron capacity for a Ryanair base? Do environmental limits allow a base in OPO?
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
I'm very pleased to see Porto (Oporto) in that list. Its remarkable to see how well Ryanair has been doing in Porto.

Interestngly, this new Stockholm - Oporto route seems to be the longest in the FR network;

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=S...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

At 1,699mi, it is just marginally longer than the routes to Alicante and Malta.
 
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 6):

Do you know if Ryanair has intentions to start a base in OPO? Is there enough terminal and apron capacity for a Ryanair base? Do environmental limits allow a base in OPO?

While I don't have any thing to back up, I believe that Porto will indeed become a base for Ryanair. Hopefully this move will be completed in 2008. In regards to terminal, aprons, I believe that the current infrastructure is very capable of receiving plenty more flights. It is currently one the best Small-Medium Airports in Europe.  Smile

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):

Interestngly, this new Stockholm - Oporto route seems to be the longest in the FR network;

You forget the routes to the Canaries  Smile NRN-FUE is 1904mi, http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=n...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE= , I believe this is the longest route.
 
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=S...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

At 1,699mi, it is just marginally longer than the routes to Alicante and Malta.

There are a few longer routes:
NRN-FUE 1904nm
DUB/SNN-TFN 1796mi / 1714mi
DUB-FUE 1766nm

Flew DUB-TFN-DUB last month and was pleasantly surprised.

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:14 pm

Cool news. Glad that it has announced another brand-new destination. This news now means that NYO will have 28 routes from it. (VST has 2.) The introduction of the daily NYO-BTS service means that there will now be 9 routes to/from BTS. And it'll mean that there are 12 routes to/from OPO.

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
This news now means that NYO will have 28 routes from it. (VST has 2.)

I wouldn't be so quick because there must be some frequency reductions / cancelled routes.
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting Teahan (Reply 12):
I wouldn't be so quick because there must be some frequency reductions / cancelled routes.

Not necessarily: the article states that FR will base 2 more 73Hs at NYO. And frequency reductions, if they did occur, wouldn't affect the number of routes.
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:54 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
Not necessarily: the article states that FR will base 2 more 73Hs at NYO.

47 extra weekly flights almost all with far above average sector lenghts with twoaircraft, I have my doubts. Anyway we will find out soon enough.
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Teahan (Reply 14):
47 extra weekly flights almost all with far above average sector lenghts with twoaircraft, I have my doubts. Anyway we will find out soon enough.

If there are route eliminations or frequency reductions, it will primarily be a matter of reallocating all-important and very expensive assets to make them more profitable. If underperforming routes can't be improved, who wouldn't want to reallocate such resources?

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 15):
If there are route eliminations or frequency reductions, it'll be primarily a matter of reallocating all-important and very expensive assets. Who wouldn't want to do that?

I never said the opposite. Instead I was suggesting we can't be sure there will be 28 operating routes ex NYO. (Rep. 11)
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting Teahan (Reply 16):
I never said the opposite. Instead I was suggesting we can't be sure there will be 28 operating routes ex NYO. (Rep. 11)

Aye. I get ya.  Smile
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
Of course, you are right that the airport is located on French territory. However, on the other hand, they decided to fly into BSL (the Swiss part of the airport), and not MLH (the French part of the airport). Passengers will pass Swiss immigration officiers, so they will actually be in Switzerland. Can we consider the BSL-part of the airport as a Swiss airport on French soil? And how do airlines decide whether to serve BSL or MLH?

I thought all passengers arriving at BSL, regardless of carrier, had the choice whether to clear Swiss or French immigration. At GVA airport which is in Switzerland, but adjacent to the French border, all arriving passengers can choose whether to enter Switzerland or France. I thought BSL was the same but may be mistaken.
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:44 pm

Finally FR opened new routes from Stockholm/skavsta
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:44 pm

It seems FR does quite well in Nyköping. I'm also glad for the BSL route because flights currently are expensive (Cimber/SAS even sells tickets only via travel agents...). Also, flights from ZRH to ARN aren't that cheap so FR might see a few customers from ZRH too.
As a side note: Ryanair will receive a 70% landing tax discount in Basel for the first 12 months, it can chose a low service level (with discounts on passenger fees), receives a 25 minute turnaround time and has the possibility to sign a 5-year-loyality contract with the airport (which further reduces passenger fees).
It might be that Ryanair already has signed such a contract since BSL airport yesterday organised a press conference (they usually don't do such a thing for a 3-weekly flight). I also heard that Ryanair proposed to shift over the Dublin route from FDH to BSL.
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 20):
It might be that Ryanair already has signed such a contract since BSL airport yesterday organised a press conference (they usually don't do such a thing for a 3-weekly flight).

They would do usually, but only send a relatively junior employee (such as a Sales Manager). Also with Basel being a brand new destination, thats another reason for a press conference
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:45 pm

I speculate that all things remaining equal (there are general elections to be held on Malta in May '08), the NYO-MLA flight will go up to thrice weekly by the beginning of summer '08. There are so many Swedish people living and working in Malta, and the number keeps going up, that I am sure that FR will do very well on this route.

The only alternatives to Malta from Sweden are summer-schedule charter flights from ARN by FlyNordic and JetX, from MMX and GOT by JetX, and year-round scheduled flights from ARN by KM (there are summer-schedule charter flights from CPH by Sterling and JetTime, for MMX-bound pax).

I think that should FR finally make up its mind on operating a base from MLA, winter 2008/9 should be a good time to announce it.

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting Teahan (Reply 16):
I never said the opposite. Instead I was suggesting we can't be sure there will be 28 operating routes ex NYO. (Rep. 11)

The route NYO-NRN, until now operated by a NYO based aircraft, will be operated by a NRN based aircraft when the 3rd and 4th aircraft will be added to NRN. There was still some slack available to operate this flight from NRN; the NRN-TSF flight, however, will be scheduled 2 hours later (departe from NRN 2010) than before.

The SNN-NRN route will also switch to a NRN aircraft, by the way.
 
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:21 pm

Good to see that they are still going strong... I really dont see what the fuss about Ryanair is , they are cheap , cheerfull , and have good crew. Why do you need the luxury whilst traveling? We all get there the same way , wether its longhaul In F/C or longhaul in ECON

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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:53 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 23):
The SNN-NRN route will also switch to a NRN aircraft, by the way.

Is that from the winter timetable or next summer, because there is still the situation of too many routes for the aircraft currently based at Shannon next summer. Operating SNN flights with aircraft from other bases could be one way to deal with that
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RE: Ryanair: 13 New Routes From Stockholm (incl. BSL)

Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 25):
Is that from the winter timetable or next summer, because there is still the situation of too many routes for the aircraft currently based at Shannon next summer.

From Tuesday, 30 Oct 07, the first week that the 3rd 738 will operate from NRN.

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