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Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:57 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRin-iBj_Vs











I'll bet you thought that was the Heineken commercial  Wink
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
I'll bet you thought that was the Heineken commercial

I did.  Angry

It looks to be either a 717 or MD-90. The engine intakes have a large diameter.
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:31 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
I'll bet you thought that was the Heineken commercial

Me too.

Now is that increase in lights from the tail hitting the tarmac, or are the lights in the background (i.e. at the end of the strip) brighter when the plane lands?

I concur - looks like a 717 to me
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:34 pm

My money is on a 717 or MD-95  rotfl 

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:03 pm

Looks like a 717 to me. Also looks like Bullshit.
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:36 pm

LOL. funny vid....  Smile
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:43 pm

Seems to be a fake, because 1. the tail never hits the tarmac. And 2. you never will see such an explosion because of a tail strike. 3. The explosion seems to be far behind the plane.

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:45 pm

The tail does not look like it even comes close to the runway. It also looks like the display was well behind the tail of the plane. I think the display is fireworks set off just as the plane lands...the camera is just in the right spot to film the whole thing. Convenient don't you think.

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
'll bet you thought that was the Heineken commercial Wink

Thanks for the link, also saw the A380 VMU tests that I haven't seen before(for some odd reason) on the related videos section.
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:05 pm

What's up with the cheesy inspirational music??  rotfl 
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:37 pm

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 7):
The tail does not look like it even comes close to the runway.

Huh? The tail strikes the runway hard. What are you guys looking at?

The part of the runway the tail strikes is partially obscured by haze. But you can easily see it if you pause before the tail strike. This is a tail strike.

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 7):
It also looks like the display was well behind the tail of the plane.

Probably because the plane is moving, while the "display" is not...

Quoting Flyabunch (Reply 7):
I think the display is fireworks set off just as the plane lands...

Yeah, because airports routinely allow fireworks displays to be set off underneath landing airliners.

Edit: I realize you're probably arguing that this is a model... but whether or not it's a model, it's a tail strike. It doesn't look like a model to me, though.

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:46 pm

Could it be bursting tyres? It really hits the runway hard..

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:48 pm

I cant see the video for some reason but from whats being said about it I know iv seen it before (MD90 that loses its tail after a tail-strike). As far as I know..... yes it is real, it was a test.
 
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting Steve332 (Reply 12):
I cant see the video for some reason but from whats being said about it I know iv seen it before (MD90 that loses its tail after a tail-strike). As far as I know..... yes it is real, it was a test.

No, it's not that one. I know that one's real. This one, I believe, has to be a fake.
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:38 am

Did anyone see the A380 tail strike video link next to this video? If not, take a look. Were they testing the A380's tail strike abilities or was this a complete foul up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5QlQpfOt5M&mode=related&search=

sorry for being slightly off topic.


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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:04 am

If you want to see a hard landing...
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:13 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 13):
No, it's not that one. I know that one's real. This one, I believe, has to be a fake.

Yeah just seen it now, Thats too big a bang for a bit of metal hitting the runway. Gotta be fake
 
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 15):

Now that's some flex right there....
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 15):
If you want to see a hard landing...

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:58 am

I agree the bang looks too big, but everything else seems to make sense. 1) That is definitely a real airliner 2) The tail does definitely hit the runway 3) After the strike, the nose seems to be held in the air, like the pilot might be contemplating going around or something due to any damage?

And to settle it, that's definitely an MD-90. The fuselage is far too long to be a 717, and it has a different shape.
 
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 19):

Yes and we further know that it is a -90 becasue of the shape of the TE flaps. 717 has no straight TE, and flap section would be shorter in span.

The only thing that would cause this would be sparks from the tailskid igniting some fuel that might have come out of the APU drain mast, which could be consistent with that amount of flash for an instant. I have to say that it looks like a farked video to me though - but still plausible with this kind of increasing sink rate observed. That bird needs to have the gear attach fittings and trunions checked out - spars all that stuff for cracks now.


How could he let his speed get so low to mush onto the runway like that? This is a classic example of why they teach us not to keep pulling the nose back past a certain point to arrest sink rate. In high wingloaded swept wing birds, all you do is create more drag that worsens the situation past a certain point based on airspeed, config, and weight. He would have been much better off just leaving the nose where it was a few seconds before touch down than to have jerked it up like he did. In fact, if your speed is right your can relax a little back pressure just as it touches to roll it on smoother too.

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:09 am

I don't see why its fake at all. It's certainly not a model, and I really doubt somebody randomly decided to put fireworks on the runway for shits and giggles.

My theory is that the flash is just exagerated by the dim light and hazy conditions. Just look at the landing lights and the fat halo they make.

Anyways thats just me...
 
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 6):
And 2. you never will see such an explosion because of a tail strike. 3

Total BS The video has been edited. Aluminum would not throw off that color or that many sparks.
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
Could it be bursting tyres? It really hits the runway hard..

If you pause the video between 0:22 and 0:23 you can clearly see the initial sparks originating from the right hand MLG.

The tail of the aircraft is clearly to the side of the sparking and can not be the initial source.

I think you are right. A blown tire on landing.
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:34 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 21):
I really doubt somebody randomly decided to put fireworks on the runway for shits and giggles.

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
Could it be bursting tyres? It really hits the runway hard..

Must be it. As soon as the (for us) left landing gear strikes you see the flash. Maybe with a broker hydraulic line you could create a ball of fire that way?

PS, offtopic to, but that A380 tailstrike video is pretty neat.
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:21 am

What I really like is the music  Smile
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:06 am

Actual tail strike or no, are you kids seriously getting all bent up out of shape over this? No wonder a.net has no credibility.  Yeah sure
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 27):
Actual tail strike or no, are you kids seriously getting all bent up out of shape over this?

Us? No... But I bet the plane did.  Wink
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:30 am

Quoting CPT523 (Reply 14):
Did anyone see the A380 tail strike video link next to this video? If not, take a look. Were they testing the A380's tail strike abilities or was this a complete foul up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5QlQpfOt5M&mode=related&search=

It is neither a fouloup or a test of tail strike abilities. The test is for minimum unstick speed. This is the lowest speed at which the aircraft will become airborne. The requirement is to pull back on the stick way before ordinary rotation speed. The pilot keeps pulling until the tail contacts the ground. Then they measure exactly when the plane lifts off. The tail is protected by a skid (typically made of wood) mounted for the occasion. That's where the sparks come from.

This is a mandated test for certification. There are videos and pics for several airliners on the web.



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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:06 am

Quoting Morvious (Reply 25):
Must be it. As soon as the (for us) left landing gear strikes you see the flash. Maybe with a broker hydraulic line you could create a ball of fire that way?

Unlikely, hydraulic fluid is not flammable, at least not Skydrol, IIRC.
 
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:28 am

!) It's an MD-90

2) It's fake
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 29):
And may I say that if you ever think an a.nut thread is full of moronic comments, take a gander at youtube comments. Big grin

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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:44 am

What would it like to be a passenger on that plane? What would the sound of the strike be like? Anyone experience this?
 
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:02 pm

Its real. If you zoom in just before the impact you'll notice that the bottom of the airplane is level with or below the mains. The excessive spark show could have been caused by a) the very hard tailstrike (that one wasn't just a skimmer, he slammed it on there), or b) the camera was naturally compensating for a dark day, when it does this, a bright flash overwhelms it and it will seem bigger and brighter than in reality. The fact that you can't quite tell where the runway is is easy to explain: it appears to have been a wet day, the runway was most likely very wet. When looking across a wet surface, you see all the reflected light, not the surface itself. In the case of that day, all you would have seen was gray, because that was the color of the sky at the time.

There's no real evidence to suggest that this photo is faked, other than "duuuuude... Thats unreal!!!"
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RE: Really Bad Landing Video

Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 34):

There's no real evidence to suggest that this photo is faked, other than "duuuuude... Thats unreal!!!"

Lol. Very good point. And that kind of baloney detection should be applied in quite a few other threads discussing "faked" pics. Big grin
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