hockey55dude
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Westjet And SAN?

Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:55 am

Westjet had service to San Diego for one summer. I was going to fly on them but they only had certain days of the week for flights. Why did they leave and why did they not say anything about it?

[Edited 2007-06-20 03:02:31]
 
SANFan
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RE: Westjet And SAN?

Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:16 am

I mentioned that myself in a recent thread (Westjet Looking at IAH, DFW and ORD) and wondered the same things; I hope you get an answer, 'dude.

FYI, the WS service was June thru Oct of 2005, 3X weekly, between YYC and SAN.

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RE: Westjet And SAN?

Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:51 pm

Did they pull out of SFO at the same time?
 
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RE: Westjet And SAN?

Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:39 pm

Not sure about the exact reasons for SAN being pulled, however Westjet has definately had several missteps in the US market including California. Two LAX routes (YVR & YYZ) were discontinued, while SFO lasted for a little bit but also got pulled.

The only things that seem to have worked for them in the region is LAS and the seasonal PSP service which both are basically charter like market's while YYC-LAX seems to have survived so far.
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MattRB
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RE: Westjet And SAN?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:08 am

Poor brand recognition and resulting low loads seems to be the general reason for WS pulling flights south of the border. I wouldn't doubt that SAN suffered from the same.
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SANFan
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RE: Westjet And SAN?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:25 am

From another thread, "Westjet Looking at IAH, DFW And ORD":

Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 44):
Load Factor for SAN-YYC was 63 percent.

I do admit 63% is not the LF that a carrier dreams of, BUT, for a brand new route, by a totally unknown (in SAN) airline, on a limited (3x weekly for 4 1/2 months) schedule, with an unknown amount of marketing and support (certainly in SAN and I don't have any idea about YYC), I hated to see them give up on it so soon.

Besides, why not try it during the winter; if the flight was primarily aimed at Canadians, why didn't they try selling San Diego as a golf/ocean/warm-up-and-thaw-out destination too? And if they were shooting for the (year-'round) cruise market, the days of the week they flew, Tu, Th, Sa, might not have been the best...

WS is still listed on one of the terminal maps on SAN.org but I think that is just due to sloppy house (site) cleaning. But I guess we can always hope they will be back some day. (Canada service from SAN has a history of being start-stop-start-stop from CP, AC, HP/US and AS so why should WestJet be any different?)

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RE: Westjet And SAN?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:15 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 5):
Besides, why not try it during the winter; if the flight was primarily aimed at Canadians, why didn't they try selling San Diego as a golf/ocean/warm-up-and-thaw-out destination too? And if they were shooting for the (year-'round) cruise market, the days of the week they flew, Tu, Th, Sa, might not have been the best...

Ocean...in San Diego....during the winter??? Face it, we aren't Hawaii or the Caribbean. Our beaches are cold and the water in the 50s. If Canadians bring their full wetsuits with booties, maybe they might go in the water. Golf is fine. But if they want a tan and warm ocean water, go elsewhere. Cuba is a bargain.
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AAflyguy
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RE: Westjet And SAN?

Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:01 pm

WS scheduled service is a far cry from the charter service of the past operated by various carriers. Many of today's passengers are coming to PSP for a weekend or a week or a holiday or to see family that lives part-time in the desert communities. And now, the passenger can originate from a long list of cities, connecting through one of the WS hubs serving PSP, whereas charters were largely comprised of passengers originating in the city the flight departed from, because there was no connectivity.

Last winter WS operated the equivalent of twice daily service to PSP, with daily YYC and a split YVR(4)/YEG(3). Now with Harmony out of the picture, WS will go up to daily YVR & YYC. YEG will return, and perhaps be a daily flight shared with YWG. That would make 3 daily flights next winter. Season after season, WS service has performed very well in PSP, often beyond expectations. Additionally, some meeting/convention business is starting to be generated from Canada into PSP because of the direct scheduled air service. More of that will come as the service continues to increase.

AC has gotten into the seasonal mix with daily CRJ-705 Jazz service, and I hear it was incredibly popular. I suspect AC will turn up the heat next winter into PSP with a new destination, or a larger a/c from YYC, or both. Either way, having scheduled service into a known destination is a welcome change from the days of the weekly charter activity that used to serve PSP in the 80's & 90's. And WS is wildly popular and highly-respected by Canadians, so it will do well. The more difficult task will be to develop a northbound market from the U.S. side of the border. I know that is a goal of theirs, but it's going to take a lot of work. Banff is one great reason to visit YYC in the summer, as is Stampede. And YVR, as many of us probably have witnessed, is a beautiful place to experience in midyear.

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