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New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:24 am

I wrote this in the other 4x-ece post abou tthe first month schedule but thought it might be interesting to start new thread on it :

4x-ece started testing yeaterday ...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE566


You vcan see the a/c in Paine field 3 from left :
pic from MATT cawby in flickr :

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Cant wait to see the actual aircraft or interior pics.
The new a/c will come with new F and J and Y class seats.
There will be 12 F class full flat beds and lie angles J class seats.
Y will have new ergomatic with foot stool.
The plane will come with mood lighting and a new AVOD touch screen system.
As we know, all the 744 and 777 will get the new F and J class seats but not the Y.
Hope LY will understand that they will need to upgrade the Y class cabins in the the older 744 and 777. Especially after learning (from EL AL 001) that the new 777 will not be certified to make the longer long haul flights to LAX.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
Especially after learning (from EL AL 001) that the new 777 will not be certified to make the longer long haul flights to LAX.

this is really ridiculous!!
so the best planes won't be able to fly to the farthest destinations?!
I hope to fly one of them from CDG!
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:17 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
I hope to fly one of them from CDG!

Well, ece is suppose to be in CDG on August 19 and ECF is suppose to be in CDG on August 20.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:40 am

Here is 566 landing at Paine Field after the first flight June 21.
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Mattcawby (Reply 3):
Here is 566 landing at Paine Field after the first flight June 21.

WOW MATTCAWBY, you are awesome.
Thanks for that pic!!!
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:16 pm

Too bad it will not be used for the LAX flights. Looks like the plane will never be again that far west in the USA as it is now in Everet Big grin
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:05 pm

THe positive point is that if ECE and ECF are not able to go to LAX, they will have more time to visit CDG lol
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:36 am

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...ename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


it seems that 787s will join LY fleet in 2011!!!
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 7):
it seems that 787s will join LY fleet in 2011!!!

I will believe it when it becomes official, we already knew they plan on leasing a few 787 from 2011. Maybe the recent ILFC order also includes the LY aircrafts.

In the meantime:

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Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:17 am

that doesn'tlook all to bad, nevertheless what I hate about the B777's and B747's is the stupid middle seat in C and I love that it is non existant in the A330 / A340's or one can configure their planes like SQ with their new C or Delta and Continental that only put in 2 seats in the middle. Regarding that newspaper article how can LY establish themselves as a serious airline when almost every aircraft is different. In 762's seats are like this in 2 772's you got AVOD in the rest + 744 also not. A key point to be a good airline is consistency in wahtever they do this goes from the product to the actual service.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:08 am

News:

The two new aircrafts will come with the panasonic EX2 system.
http://www.panasonic.aero/xseries.html
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:16 am

Looks great, can't wait to fly these planes!!
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 10):

The two new aircrafts will come with the panasonic EX2 system.

any news in the meanwhle if the 744's and rest of 772's will also receive that system'?
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting Mattcawby (Reply 3):
Here is 566 landing at Paine Field

Nice photo (thanks!) but what does "566" mean? It can't be msn #566...  Confused
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:17 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
Nice photo (thanks!) but what does "566" mean? It can't be msn #566...

Boeing will be using BOE566 as the flight number for the testing.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:10 pm

Quoting Amirs (Reply 14):

Boeing will be using BOE566 as the flight number for the testing.

Aha! Thank you. Any idea what the line number is of 4X-ECE?
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:08 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 6):
THe positive point is that if ECE and ECF are not able to go to LAX, they will have more time to visit CDG lol

Sounds like BS to me! Why would they not be able to go to LAX?

Range wise? no way

so what is it?

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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:10 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 16):

Sounds like BS to me! Why would they not be able to go to LAX?

Range wise? no way

so what is it?

Leo

It really is some bullshit I mean the plane was bought with the same specs as the other planes unless LY screwed up there and regarding MTOW it should be the same. This will only causes again complications for the route planning why can't LY do things right.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:50 pm

What happened with ELAL 001? Why aren't the 777s allowed to fly to LAX?
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:34 pm

Quoting AFC_Ajax00 (Reply 18):
What happened with ELAL 001? Why aren't the 777s allowed to fly to LAX?

I think it has something to do with the MTOW. Its the same a/c with same engines, but the certification is different. It can always be upgraded later.
Maybe one of the pilots or someone from the manufactures will know better here ...
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:25 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 15):

Aha! Thank you. Any idea what the line number is of 4X-ECE?

line -648
serial -36083
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:45 am

Wonderful pic!! Thanks!!

When is the plane going to be fully painted?


It is indeed weird that LY's newest and most comfortable airplanes won't be able to fly the airline's longest routes... There is obviously something unlogical, but I'd like to know how it came to such a result.
I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:30 am

maybe it is just a rumour that they won't be able to fly to LAX; let's wait and see...
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 20):
line -648
serial -36083

Thank you!  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 22):
maybe it is just a rumour that they won't be able to fly to LAX; let's wait and see...

Well, its not on he schedule for the next few months. No ECE or ECF to LAX.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:29 am

Don't wanna break the mood here guys, but why do you need to start a new thread for every move this new LY 772 seems to do? Is there something so special about it? I understand that the israelian members might get moderately excited about it, but if we started a new thread for every new aircraft built, we'd have to start a new, dedicated forum.  Embarrassment
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 25):

lol... This was something I was wondering about as well.

[Edited 2007-06-28 11:00:55]
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:46 pm

That's because we are waiting for this new a/c for a lot of time  yes 

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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:27 pm

Then again it's it's about their best configured AC which can't make the longest flights etc it's a bit embaracing to make up such a big fuss and again frustrating to see that LY managment never puts enough thought inot things. They could really be a great airline and be in a financially better situation if they would have a good organisational structure with a good management. A fleet of new aircraft, a great gorund and air product which is consistent and still savign costs.

[Edited 2007-06-28 12:31:04]
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:25 pm

Why do they even have to put this plane on ultra long routes like LAX? I thought these two aircrafts are totally for the New York/New Jersey market where the most competition is.

EL AL has a monopoly on TLV-LAX they can fly their with any plane they want.

In New York they are competing with

Continental Double Daily 777
& Soon to be Delta Daily 767

So that is obviously their most important market where they have to be competitive. That's it nothing more to it. When more planes arrive or the refurbish their old planes LAX will get an up to date system. Till then their is no need for it.

They may also deploy these planes on the LHR route.

To Paris there is no need because Airfrance fly A320 anyway.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:44 pm

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 29):
Why do they even have to put this plane on ultra long routes like LAX? I thought these two aircrafts are totally for the New York/New Jersey market where the most competition is.

EL AL has a monopoly on TLV-LAX they can fly their with any plane they want.

In New York they are competing with

Continental Double Daily 777
& Soon to be Delta Daily 767

So that is obviously their most important market where they have to be competitive. That's it nothing more to it. When more planes arrive or the refurbish their old planes LAX will get an up to date system. Till then their is no need for it.

Exactly. From what I know LY saved $2m for the lower MTOW certification.
LAX gets the others 777s and when the time comes, the certification can be changed.
Its true, that when you buy 2 777s for $270m, 2 millions seems like peanuts.
But its a money LY can save with no problem doing so, so, why not?!

LAX is performing well (mostly these days) with no connection to which 777 it is being operated with.
Talks at LY suggest that LAX will go 5 weekly from summer 2008.
And we were just approved for the 5th weekly HKG flight starting this Autumn.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:06 pm

How many flights do they have to BKK?
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:59 am

Here is a pic of the seatmap for new 772 (ece and ecf).
I got it from jonnye who posted it in "flyertalk.com".
12 pax First Class
35 pax Platinum/Business Class
232 pax Economy Class
It looks like they got rid of one toilette in C class, next to the galley on the right side.
For me row 12 will be a no-no.

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Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:51 pm

Quoting Amirs (Reply 32):
It looks like they got rid of one toilette in C class, next to the galley on the right side.
For me row 12 will be a no-no.

In case I saw it correct, they got 2 tilets in C now yeah this is enough. Most airlines have not more than 2 toilets in a config up too 48 seats ca. The Fist Class still looks more like a craddle Business Class seat that goes 180 degrees just like the seats they got now, but this is only the map.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:12 pm

I can confirm that this is the LY new 772 LOPA.

Amirs, you didnt believe me sometime ago regarding 12 C/cl - but i forgive you  Smile

No final decision at LY regarding 744 configuration yet.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 34):
Amirs, you didnt believe me sometime ago regarding 12 C/cl - but i forgive you

I am sorry, you are right, but I was told by two in el al that it was 8 - 10 seats.
I was also hoping for 8 seats, that would have been nice.
I have a feeling the 744 might have 10 F class seats.
they ordered 112 F class seats. That means there are 40 seats left for 4 a/c to install. So either they will have 10 in each a/c or they will not configure all the 744 with First Class.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 33):
In case I saw it correct, they got 2 tilets in C now yeah this is enough

They currently have 3.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 33):
The Fist Class still looks more like a craddle Business Class seat that goes 180 degrees just like the seats they got now, but this is only the map.

Actually the new seat in F and C class are the same but the F class seat is wider, has higher pitch and is truly flat. It also has larger amenities (tray, tv etc.)
Its still much better then the current F class seat. The new concept in First is more of a Super Premium Business Class seat with First Class service.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:34 am

From September, LY will send a lot of 777s to CDG (3 to 4 times a week, against only once a week in the past month), including the new ones (ECE and ECF), this is great news !!!
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:13 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 35):
Actually the new seat in F and C class are the same but the F class seat is wider, has higher pitch and is truly flat. It also has larger amenities (tray, tv etc.)
Its still much better then the current F class seat. The new concept in First is more of a Super Premium Business Class seat with First Class service.

Ok that makes sense then. Maybe that's why the increase to 12 F seats then although 8F and more C would've been maybe more worth it?
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 37):
Ok that makes sense then. Maybe that's why the increase to 12 F seats then although 8F and more C would've been maybe more worth it?

The lowered the F class fares a bit to be able to sell more - more like full fare C class. Ask ELAL001 i am sure he knows more about the pricing and fares.
 
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Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting Amirs (Reply 38):

Ok, Thanks
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:22 pm

It looks like 4x- ECE is back at Paine field with new full color.
This is the first LY a/c with the new logo. I also think there is something different with the blue used in the a/c.

I took this pic from Mattcawby from his website : http://microvoltradio.com
Once again he proved to be one of the most interesting and important photographers in the aviation world.

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4X-ECE in new color with new logo.
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:27 pm

It looks more shiny but this is just because it is fresh from the paintshop
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:28 pm

wow!!! It looks so great: just one question: why do they write on the a/c "Boeing 777-200" and not "Boeing 777-200ER"? (on their 767s, they precise ER)
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:36 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 42):
on their 767s, they precise ER

Maybe because on 767 they have 762 non ER as well.
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:02 pm

When will it have it's delivery flight?
 
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RE: New LY 772 4X - ECE Started Testing And Pics.

Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:37 pm

I just started a new Master Thread for the two new 772.

I will ask the moderator to close this thread.

New LY 772ER Master Thread (4X-ECE And ECF) (by Amirs Jul 5 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:55 pm

Please refer to the thread that Amirs has linked in reply 45. Thank you
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