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Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:47 pm

Take a look at this : http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...pn=0.000982,0.001808&t=k&z=19&om=1.

What is this gate used for?
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:51 pm

I am just guessing but could it be for prisoner transfer? Would the Justice Flights need a jetway at PHL, is there enough traffic to warrant one?
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:53 pm

If you're asking about the length and layout of the jetbridge, there are a few others I've seen that are similar.

One is in Harrisburg, PA:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e....761177&spn=0.002332,0.005847&z=18

Another is in Tampa, FL:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e....538002&spn=0.001348,0.002924&z=19


I know the building you mapped in PHL is used for charter flights, including military transport charters to Iraq, etc.
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:54 pm

Thats the old overseas terminal. Hasnt been in regular use in a VERY LONG TIME. Now its just used mainly for charters. I Dont believe the entire terminal ever had jetways, but this one was put on later to facilitate easier boarding. Sometimes you'll see planes over there bringing in sports teams and the like.
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:57 pm

Perhaps this is a remnant of the old international terminal at PHL? As I recall the old facility did look something like this, though I might be getting mixed up with some other location.

Nowadays, could this gate be used for special charter flights?

UA used to have a pair of jetways for non-revenue use at their massive IND maintenance facility. Looked kind of strange, as if it were some kind of unit terminal pretty far removed from the rest of the airport. Haven't been back in about ten years, but last time I checked they were still installed.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:06 pm

Here's the two UAL KIND jetbridges : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...pn=0.001968,0.003616&t=k&z=18&om=1. Why would they need these jetbridges?

Looks like the old PHL overseas terminal is going to be torn down to make way for 1800+ parking spaces. Thanks for all the quick replies!
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
Here's the two UAL KIND jetbridges : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...n=0.001968,0.003616&t=k&z=18&om=1. Why would they need these jetbridges?

It makes interior MX much easier. Imagine trying to lug an entire row of seats up a set of air-stair. Or having to constantly load/unload using a lift truck. You'd be doing multiple trips with the truck (as it could only hold so much).

With the jetbridges it provides the MX crews with all-weather access to the aircraft. It also allows easy access for equipment.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:26 am

It's also easier to make a super long jetbridge that build a new permanent structure if you ever decide to squueze in an extra gate. The briidge has to be on the port side of the aircraft. If you decide you want to stick an aircraft at the very end, beyond the end of the terminal, you have to get teh jet bridge over there somehow.
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 5):
Here's the two UAL KIND jetbridges : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...n=0.001968,0.003616&t=k&z=18&om=1. Why would they need these jetbridges?

They had took it apart since new owner bought that building, UAL does not use it anymore due to bankrupt.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:09 am

Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
What is this gate used for?

As others have said, it's the old OT. The gate only served one purpose, which was to offload inbound passengers going through customs and immigration to prevent the risk of someone walking off the tarmac bypassing customs which happened several times, hence the reason it was installed, in 1985 IIRC. When you walked off the aircraft, the jetway went straight to Customs/immigration. Inbound aircraft such as a BA747 or Tristar form LHR would unload passngers terminating in PHL through the jetway, and then it would continue on to PIT leaving the gate empty for the next flight which was usually SR from ZRH. It closed to regular ops in March 1991
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:54 am

This boarding bridges allow air operations to maximize the space for parking without extending the building.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:10 am

Changing topic slightly: At PHL, how much use (and by whom) does 5000 ft. long (1524 m) runway 8/26 get? Or, for that matter, do any of the majors ever use 17/35? Seems kind of short for mainline use unless there's a b*tchin' crosswind!  Wink
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:20 am

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 11):

When 8/26 was built, it was used mainly by turbo-props, and I think I only remember one time an RJ landing on it. 17/35 was always the main commuter runway used when going into PHL. The RJ's also use 17/35 quite a bit. I've heard rumors of a mainline aircraft using 17/35 a few times, but have never seen it personally. I use to love the 17/35 approach over the Delaware, especially when you have a boat going underneath you.
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:30 am

Seems like a rather dingy building for use as a international gateway - especially having been used up to 1991. Anyway, just east of runway 8/26, the USS America (CV 66) is berthed at Philadelphia Navy Yard - that ship has since been sunk by the Navy - apparently the subject of secret weapons testing to see how much damage your average super carrier can take. She now is at the bottom of the Atlantic no doubt serving as an artificial reef.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...=0.011246,0.017681&z=16&iwloc=addr
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 13):
Anyway, just east of runway 8/26, the USS America (CV 66) is berthed at Philadelphia Navy Yard - that ship has since been sunk by the Navy -

The Kennedy (CV67) is due to take that slot in the next week or so. It'll be a good test to see how often Google updates their service.
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 6):
It makes interior MX much easier. Imagine trying to lug an entire row of seats up a set of air-stair. Or having to constantly load/unload using a lift truck. You'd be doing multiple trips with the truck (as it could only hold so much).

With the jetbridges it provides the MX crews with all-weather access to the aircraft. It also allows easy access for equipment.

There is also a jet bridge connected to a maintenance facility at Cardiff, UK. I think it is used for fitting out interiors of BA aircraft. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e....346195&spn=0.000746,0.001808&z=19
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:03 am

Wow didn't realize how thinned out the moth balled fleet at the Navy yard has become

Pathetic that only 1 gate in the entire A-west building is being used and yet B and C looked relatively packed
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 14):
It'll be a good test to see how often Google updates their service.

You'll probably be waiting a while... Google Earth (which uses the same image database as Google Maps) shows DEN's 16R/34L under EARLY construction. How long has that runway been finished now? 2, 3, or 4 years?
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:20 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 6):
It makes interior MX much easier. Imagine trying to lug an entire row of seats up a set of air-stair. Or having to constantly load/unload using a lift truck.

That's how we do it in the hangar here (forklift). When we have to do re-config's for A300 we know it's going to take up half the shift. Forklift (with a special pallet on it) takes 4 seat assemblies. Could probably do 8 at a time but that would entail loading seats upside down.

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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 16):
Pathetic that only 1 gate in the entire A-west building is being used and yet B and C looked relatively packed

Same situation at most large internatonal airports in the U.S.. Depends on the time of day and how the international Banks are scheduled. It would be a nightmare swapping domestic flights in and out of the international gates and compensating for late arrivals/departures, especially if A gates were blocked when wide bodies arrived. US does occasionally (carefully) schedule domestic flights out of A-West.
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 11):
At PHL, how much use (and by whom) does 5000 ft. long (1524 m) runway 8/26 get?

Last month, my PHL-GSO flight on an Air Wisconsin CRJ used Runway 8 for takeoff - was very surprised when we taxied to it, as I thought it was too short for RJs even. Made it off with plenty of room though; used only 3000 feet to get airborne. A Piedmont Dash 8 was behind us for takeoff on Rwy 8.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:12 am

Quoting Nkops (Reply 12):
When 8/26 was built, it was used mainly by turbo-props, and I think I only remember one time an RJ landing on it. 17/35 was always the main commuter runway used when going into PHL. The RJ's also use 17/35 quite a bit. I've heard rumors of a mainline aircraft using 17/35 a few times, but have never seen it personally. I use to love the 17/35 approach over the Delaware, especially when you have a boat going underneath you.

Once in a blue moon, WN will land a 737 on 17/35. The first time I saw it was fall of 2005. I just got off of the employee lot bus and was walking to my car, when I heard a sudden " whoosh" and looked up to see the 737 over I95. On the morning of the UPS DC-8 fiery emergency landing, US landed a 757 on it. Had to be damn near empty to pull that one off!!
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:20 am

RJs takeoff 8 all the time. They also land 26. 8 is closed to landing and 26 is closed for takeoff. However I have gone missed off of 26.
I have seen Southwest 737, US A319 (once), and a AirTran 717 land 35.
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:21 am

I'm not trying to switch the topic back again, but every so often you see Airforce 1 parked on the ramp at the old Overseas Terminal when the pres is in town. I agree, that terminal is dingy, but it was built in a very different era of air travel. The new Concourse A at PHL is absolutely gorgeous though.

Ok, back to runway talk.  Big grin
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:29 am

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 17):

You'll probably be waiting a while... Google Earth (which uses the same image database as Google Maps) shows DEN's 16R/34L under EARLY construction. How long has that runway been finished now? 2, 3, or 4 years?

The same evidence can be seen looking at the EWR satellite image. You can see AA F100's, UAX J41's, and CO MD80s...aircraft that have all since been retired

Quoting Vega (Reply 19):
Same situation at most large internatonal airports in the U.S.

Guess you are right. Same thing is visible at EWR. The international wing only has 2 aircraft parked there while the rest of Terminal C is busy. Just seems like such a poor use of gates.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:29 am

Southwest lands a 737 on 17/35 once or two times a day. It's mostly used when a flow control in effect.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 13):
Seems like a rather dingy building for use as a international gateway - especially having been used up to 1991.

It was. It was a converted hanger. Construction of the A concourse was stalled for several years after it began in 1977-78(somewhere around there. The partially completed skeletal structure sat dormant for along time for some reason, funding cuts IIRC). I remember a local radio host on WWDB, FM96.5, Dominic Quinn used to rail on the city of Philadelphia and particularly then-mayor Wilson Goode who put the brakes on it's construction, for his disastrous handling of the of the airport project when he took over as mayor
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:05 am

Where is (was) the Tower Air terminal located on JFK's Google Map?
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:35 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 2):
One is in Harrisburg, PA:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e....761177&spn=0.002332,0.005847&z=18

There has been a new building in MDT for a few years now, that's an old pic.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:56 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 26):
It was. It was a converted hanger. Construction of the A concourse was stalled for several years after it began in 1977-78(somewhere around there. The partially completed skeletal structure sat dormant for along time for some reason, funding cuts IIRC). I remember a local radio host on WWDB, FM96.5, Dominic Quinn used to rail on the city of Philadelphia and particularly then-mayor Wilson Goode who put the brakes on it's construction, for his disastrous handling of the of the airport project when he took over as mayor

For some reason, I recall something about terminal A maybe being in Chester County while the rest of the airport was in Philadelphia county which stalled some of the work. But that could all be rumor.

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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 2):
One is in Harrisburg, PA:

That was the AA gate at the old terminal in Harrisburg (MDT) The new terminal opened in August 2004 and that jetway has been removed. It was a nice little walk from the terminal to the aircraft.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting Dank (Reply 29):

Terminal A and some of the other airport property is in Tinicum Township, Delaware County. All other terminals are in Philadelphia city/ county.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:57 pm

Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 31):

Terminal A and some of the other airport property is in Tinicum Township, Delaware County. All other terminals are in Philadelphia city/ county.

Yea too bad I still have to pay the F-in Philly and Tinicum taxes!!
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:33 pm

Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 31):
Terminal A and some of the other airport property is in Tinicum Township, Delaware County. All other terminals are in Philadelphia city/ county.

For some reason I had thought that Tinicum was in Chester, but I see now that I was wrong (been a while since I've been in the area and I forgot that Chester isn't in Chester County  Smile ).

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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:55 pm

Landings on 26 and 17/35 are not at all uncommon - I've landed many dozens of times in RJs on 26. For US Express flights, a landing onto 26 puts you closer to Terminal F than landing on 27R as well. I think I've only taken off of 8 once however. The construction of 8/26 was criticized as not helping much when it was done, but with PHL's delays, every little bit of airspace, runway and taxiway improvement helps.

Mainline use of 17/35 isn't as rare as some seem to think, and it's also used regularly with the larger Embraer aircraft as well (E70/75, haven't seen an E90 on it yet).

In good weather, you'll even occasionally see a triple approach - a smaller aircraft onto 26 and two mainline jets onto 27R and 27L. ATC appears to do this when there are a decent amount of landing widebodies and plenty of other inbound demand, something that's not uncommon in the late afternoons at PHL with the European flights. I've experienced this on three occasions, all when landing on 27L, and there always seem to be some nervous pax who think the 27L aircraft is too close. Parallel approaches to 26 and 27R are very common in good weather.
 
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RE: Strange Jetbridge @ PHL

Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:15 pm

A little history on the Overseas Terminal, aka the "Blue Barn"...Like the rest of PHL, this is a very old facility. The structure was originally the hangars for the Pennsylvania ANG which was quite active at PHL. As the airport got busier and things changed, the ANG left PHL sometime in the late 1960's.

The original area for international departures was the ramp area to the West of what was then "Pier B" (later PHL would change their "Piers" to "Concourse" names). Access was from a corridor that now is the path toward the A gates. During the 1960's, this is where Lufthansa, Pan Am and Air France operated from along with the charter flights. After the ANG left, the city decided to convert the old hangars into the "new" Overseas Terminal as it was identified and moved the international and charter flights over to that location. Many foreign carriers were most upset with this arrangement because it made connections from the main terminal quite difficult and inconvenient. In fact, PHL lost Alitalia and Air France over this dispute (AFR would later return). Later on, the city allowed airlines like TWA and Pan Am to position their a/c over to the main terminal for departures as a compromise as they too threatened reduced international service.

The Jetway in question was most unique in that it would be one of the few ground access air-bridges to accommodate wide body aircraft in the world and was the only one like it at the airport. It was the only air-bridge at the terminal as all other positions were served with air-stairs.

The old Overseas Terminal has mostly become a parking area for large a/c on RON or extended stays.

Despite it's bad press and horribly ugly appearance, as a local resident of PHL back in the 1970's, I actually preferred the terminal because it was roomy and comfortable compared to the horrible main terminal that always lacked seating and accommodations. Unfortunately, it is from by-gone era in Commercial aviation.