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1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:53 pm

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Airbus, which has faced considerable setbacks in delivery of its A380 ‘superjumbo’, is close to agreeing deals with two airlines interested in purchasing the $300 million aircraft.

The European planemaker says that it is in negotiation with two further airlines, which have not previously placed orders for the plane, and that it will announce the deals by early 2008.



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“In the coming few months we can announce one or two new customers. We’re advancing in the negotiations. One [of the airlines] is in Europe; the other I can’t say anything about right now.”

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index...80-deals-in-the-pipeline&Itemid=73

Let the guessing start... for Europe I put my money on British Airways, the "we don´t tell you customer" should be from Asia IMO, I guess either Air India, Jet Aiways, China Airlines, Cathay Pacific or Asiana.

In addition it appears that there are deals for a further two A380 "Flying Palace" are already at advanced negotiation stages, apart from the first sale (though not officially confirmed so far). Wouldn´t that be a great opportunity to place the test frames to customers who don´t care so much about systems commonality as they will likely only purchase one frame, now that Etihad has shifted their order?

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However Abramovich is not likely to be the only private buyer of the super jumbo. Sources at the air show suggest that at least two other private buyers, both from the Middle East are both in final stages of talks with Airbus.

Airbus CEO John Leahy last night would only confirm that the buyer was "not from Europe or the US", according to The Mirror.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index...com_content&view=article&id=495002

[Edited 2007-06-24 12:00:23]

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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:59 pm

I'd agree, BA is by far the most likely European customer - I simply cannot think of anyone else in Europe.

Asia is a bit more interesting; I tend to think it might be an Indian airline, either AI or Jet, but failing either of those, my vote would go to Asiana. I see CX as a more likely 747-8 customer, similarly CI, because both have a very strong cargo business, which would seem to favour the 747.
 
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:00 pm

I have a feeing its British Airways from Europe. Or maybe even KLM since its closely tied with AirFrance.

AND the other one is: AIR INDIA
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soo

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:09 pm

Thanks for the info, Flying Tiger, here are my guesses:

Europe:

BA is most likely
KL is possible
IB is possible
SU would be my wild guess. (Come one, Russia is growing like crazy with their oil and gas exports.)

Mysterious one:

Since the person telling is from the Middle East, I expect it to be from somewhere there, and not from North America. I'd put my money on SV, they are operating 747s and recently got some A320s (to train their pilots??)

Others in Asia are AI, 9W, CX, BR, CI, CA, MU, and OZ.

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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soo

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:16 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):

Let the guessing start... for Europe I put my money on British Airways, the "we don´t tell you customer" should be from Asia IMO, I guess either Air India, Jet Aiways, China Airlines, Cathay Pacific or Asiana.

In addition it appears that there are deals for a further two A380 "Flying Palace" are already at advanced negotiation stages, apart from the first sale (though not officially confirmed so far). Wouldn´t that be a great opportunity to place the test frames to customers who don´t care so much about systems commonality as they will likely only purchase one frame, now that Etihad has shifted their order?

I would not be at all surprised with this report being correct. Mr Tim Clark clearly stated that EK opted to order an additional 8 frames at Le Bourget because delivery slots will start to fill up once the A380 enters service.

Despite the A380 having gathered 17 orders in 2007, they are all from existing customers. With a further two airlines opting for the A380, it would give the program another breath of life and hopefully trigger additional order from existing option holder's (SQ, QF, LH, IT,KE) and new operators to join the program.

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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:27 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
KL is possible
IB is possible

As far as I can recall, both of these airlines have ruled out the A380.

BA would be particularly interesting, not just in its own right, but in terms of the knock-on effect of the rest of the order. The airline has said that it is due to announce the first part of its major widebody order later this year (September); I wonder if the likely choice of the A380 will make it any easier for the A350 to be the selected type?

Conventional wisdom certainly suggests that the 777/787 combination is most likely, however, particularly since BA ordered another four 777-200ERs earlier this year.

Might BA do what AF did and use the 773ER and A380 to squeeze the 744 out of the fleet?
 
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:32 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
since BA ordered another four 777-200ERs earlier this year.

They actually went out of their way to emphasise that this small interim order would have no bearing on 'the Big One'!

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
Might BA do what AF did and use the 773ER and A380 to squeeze the 744 out of the fleet?

That's always been my guess. 777Ws, A380s and no place for the 748i.
 
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:39 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
Might BA do what AF did and use the 773ER and A380 to squeeze the 744 out of the fleet?

BA ruled out 773ER. And they also said their 744 are not going just yet which means that they want to wait to see what comes out with A350-1000.
 
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:41 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
BA ruled out 773ER.

Really? I must have missed that. When?
 
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:42 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
Might BA do what AF did and use the 773ER and A380 to squeeze the 744 out of the fleet?



Quoting PM (Reply 6):
That's always been my guess. 777Ws, A380s and no place for the 748i.

If I had to speculate I would say that BA may opt for an A350-100/A388 combo to phase out their 747 fleet.

Why?

Both the A350 and A388 are equipped with RR.

The 77W and 748i are only equipped with GE

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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soo

Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:43 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
As far as I can recall, both of these airlines have ruled out the A380.

And? One can never rule out that they change their mind. (Or the people who ruled it out.)

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
BA would be particularly interesting, not just in its own right, but in terms of the knock-on effect of the rest of the order. The airline has said that it is due to announce the first part of its major widebody order later this year (September); I wonder if the likely choice of the A380 will make it any easier for the A350 to be the selected type?

Pretty much so. If they take the A380, they'll also get themselves all A350 versions and interim A330s, IMHO.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
Conventional wisdom certainly suggests that the 777/787 combination is most likely, however, particularly since BA ordered another four 777-200ERs earlier this year.

They said they would have taken A330s if it wasn't for the existing 777 fleet. However, their 744s and 777s are becoming older and older. Time to replace them with Airbus planes. BA is in no way committed to 777NG, 787, or 747-8I. My conventional wisdom suggests they can't go around getting A380s.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
Might BA do what AF did and use the 773ER and A380 to squeeze the 744 out of the fleet?

My guess would be A3510 and A388 to squeeze the 747 out. However, given how big BA is I wouldn't rule out that they'll also take 747-8s.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):
Both the A350 and A388 are equipped with RR.

The 77W and 748i are only equipped with GE

That is something I didn't even think about. Bad for you, GE.

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Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:50 pm

I dont think I was the only one to see this photo on the airbus widget

http://www.airbus.com/en/airbuslive/bourget-2007/img/getOptionMedia.htm?id=698
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:59 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 11):
I dont think I was the only one to see this photo on the airbus widget

Ok... help me out... who am I seeing on that picture?
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:02 pm

Cathay Pacific visiting the A380...
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soo

Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 11):
I dont think I was the only one to see this photo on the airbus widget

You cheeky man. Why do I have a feeling that you know more than you are saying  Wink

Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):

Ok... help me out... who am I seeing on that picture?

Cathay Pacific CEO.

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Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:18 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 14):

You cheeky man. Why do I have a feeling that you know more than you are saying

Wings,

You should know that I have been berated numerous times on a.net for allegedly not knowing anything...why start now  cheeky 

I could stir things a little more by saying CX is also listed on the London Stock exchange, effectively also making it European...

But in all honesty, the official public company line is for no decision for several years.  tapedshut 
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:22 pm

I found out that the best bases for predicting orders is to look at the airlines, their network requirements, environments, restrictions and ambitions. Then look at what aircraft are available, regardsless if it´s a Airbus, Boeing or Embraer.

Much less relevant prove quotes by analists, airline VIP´s and or Airbus / Boeing people. They mostly know exactly what they are saying, but also why they are saying things. Journalists / reporters even more. They (mostly) don´t make the news but choose what to / not to report more so..

Mostly it becomes pretty clear what they likely will order. That goes for BA, CX, KLM, UA, NW, JAl, DL, AA and many others.



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Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:19 am

Well if BA wants only RR power, then yes, that will put them into Airbus' camp on the top-end. Perhaps a mix of 787-8s, 787-9s, A350-900s, and A350-1000s with the A350-800. One advantage of an all A350 fleet would mean BA could restore four-class service fleet-wide, since the A350-800 would have the extra space to bring back FIRST which was lost on the 767-300 fleet during the last reconfiguration.

It appears that the A388 has the legs to do LAX/YVR-HKG, but if CX handles a lot of belly cargo, the A380 might not be the best choice since the 748I and 773ER both carry more.

I can't see OZ becoming an A388 operator (or a 748 operator, for that matter). They only have two 744 routes (ICN-ORD and ICN-LHR). I think they'll order an additional 77W and use both to replace their 744s.

I think AI will become an A388 customer. They fly a lot of people JFK-LHR-DEL/BOM and I can imagine IT wants a piece of that action, which is why they bought A380s. Now that AI is merging, that will consolidate more traffic onto them and require larger planes to handle it.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:27 am

The EU customer could just as easily be a charter company. It doesn't have to be a network carrier. I think BA could use the A380, but deciding it is them by a "process of elimination" isn't the best way to go about it.
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:32 am

This BA order has huge implications. LH is the only airline to go for all 3 sizes of "large airliners". If BA do what everyone else has done and skip the middle bit then the 800I is a "gonner" IMHO. It will continue as a freighter without a doubt. But the numbers of airlines that need such an aircraft is diminishing. You can't build a passenger plane with just a 20 frame launch order (well you could but..). What it will do (if ba go for the A380 and the 787 or 350) will be to speed up Y3 - you know that 450 seater that they are test flying a scaled example of right now.
 
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:38 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
I can't see OZ becoming an A388 operator (or a 748 operator, for that matter).

Actually, they've said they're looking at both, with a plan on ordering one of the two around the time frame mentioned here...
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 10):

They said they would have taken A330s if it wasn't for the existing 777 fleet.

..that's complete rubbish.....BA stated that part of the reason why they chose the B777 was because it was already in their fleet..not..."well, we would have preferred the A330, but since the B777 is already in our fleet, we'll go with that instead".....that isn't what happened.....
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:48 am

BA in Europe, and i hope also KLM, IB i dont think so now, maybe in the future.

in Asia IMO will be more than 1, first one CX.

when the A380 will be in service with SIA there will be more orders, and new customers, many airlines are waiting to have some feed back about the airplanes but in zones like India and China this airplane have many options.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
I can't see OZ becoming an A388 operator (or a 748 operator, for that matter). They only have two 744 routes (ICN-ORD and ICN-LHR). I think they'll order an additional 77W and use both to replace their 744s.

I agree. Actually there's a rumor that Asiana will lease two 77W later this year (1 in Nov, 1 in Dec) from GECAS. Those will replace 744s gradually.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
They said they would have taken A330s if it wasn't for the existing 777 fleet.

..that's complete rubbish.....BA stated that part of the reason why they chose the B777 was because it was already in their fleet..not..."well, we would have preferred the A330, but since the B777 is already in our fleet, we'll go with that instead".....that isn't what happened.....

Well, it was pretty close:

Mr Boyle said that the initial order announced yesterday had been a "close decision" but had gone Boeing's way because BA already had 43 777s in its fleet, and assimilating a further eight was easier than purchasing a small number of A330s.


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Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 24):
Well, it was pretty close:

..that's the quote which I was referencing also (just didn't bring it up)...but again, it doesn't say "we wanted the A330 or would have chosen the A330 but will order the B777"..more like "it was easier for us to make the decision to take the B777"...that's different from what Thorben had stated.....or what you are implying.....
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 20):
Actually, they've said they're looking at both, with a plan on ordering one of the two around the time frame mentioned here...

I know they have said that, but considering their current fleet and where they fly it, they'd need to triple to quadruple both the international destinations they serve and the traffic they carry. Flying a single A388 a day to ORD and LHR from ICN doesn't strike me as a prudent use of resources, especially with KE taking A388s themselves.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:40 am

How many frames will Aurbus want to sell before they start to consider A380-900? It looks like the figures (CASM etc) is better or at least in line with promissed in order to make the original customers and new customers order it now when Airbus can show real figures after the testing..

What will this mean for B747-800I? If they only get around 60-100 orders will they still proceed?
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
The EU customer could just as easily be a charter company.

And which EU charter company could that be?  eyebrow 


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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soo

Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:15 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
..that's complete rubbish.....BA stated that part of the reason why they chose the B777 was because it was already in their fleet..not..."well, we would have preferred the A330, but since the B777 is already in our fleet, we'll go with that instead".....that isn't what happened.....

Can't you read? They said:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 24):
Mr Boyle said that the initial order announced yesterday had been a "close decision" but had gone Boeing's way because BA already had 43 777s in its fleet, and assimilating a further eight was easier than purchasing a small number of A330s.

The decision was won with a very small advantage of the 777, it was a "close decision". Fleet commonality is a big advantage, so that is why the 777 won. If BA had neither 777 nor A330/340 in their fleet, they would have picked the A330, like a lot of others are currently doing, because it is the better airplane.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 30):
Corsair aka Tuifly.com, already today operating 6 B747-400s in a 587-sea layout if I´m not completely mistaken. The fleet is mainly deployed to the French Overseas territories. That would be the only european charter company that could be a potential A380 operator, even though I have my doubts that this would happen within the next decade.

Holy s..., they'd really fill it with 853 pax.  crowded 

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Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:17 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 28):
And which EU charter company could that be?

Corsair aka Tuifly.com, already today operating 6 B747-400s in a 587-sea layout if I´m not completely mistaken. The fleet is mainly deployed to the French Overseas territories. That would be the only european charter company that could be a potential A380 operator, even though I have my doubts that this would happen within the next decade.
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 29):
If BA had neither 777 nor A330/340 in their fleet, they would have picked the A330, like a lot of others are currently doing, because it is the better airplane.

Saying the A330 is a "better airplane" than the B777 is like saying the B737 is better than the A320...  Yeah sure

It absolutely depends on the mission profile.


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Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:53 am

I wonder if "soon" means July 9th 2007? Steal a little Boeing thunder if someone like BA or CX did order the A380?
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
think AI will become an A388 customer. They fly a lot of people JFK-LHR-DEL/BOM and I can imagine IT wants a piece of that action, which is why they bought A380s. Now that AI is merging, that will consolidate more traffic onto them and require larger planes to handle it.

Rule out AI, they are not even looking at anything till 2012 timeframe, also their CMD has clearly stated that they find it difficult to fill 427 seats on their current 744s,

They have too much on their hands with the merger, and with 111 new aircraft ordered they would not bother till the market consolidates,

The only things possible from Ai would be conversion of some 77Ws to 772LRs or vice versa and some 788s to 789s

However i do see a possibility of 6 748I [more likely] or A380 for delivery around 2015 to replace their owned 744s which are undergoing refurbishment.

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Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 33):
Rule out AI, they are not even looking at anything till 2012 timeframe, also their CMD has clearly stated that they find it difficult to fill 427 seats on their current 744s,

Really? I was under the impression they were stuffing those birds on the JFK-LHR-India routes. Thanks for the correction.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 32):
I wonder if "soon" means July 9th 2007? Steal a little Boeing thunder if someone like BA or CX did order the A380?

To deliberately make such an announcement on or directly after the date of the rollout of the 787 would be a pretty immature and cheap marketing ploy by Airbus. I very much doubt that would happen. Boeing deserves their day in the limelight without anyone crashing their party. Besides it would not be a good move PR wise by Airbus to dilute the attention of any such important order announcement.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 32):
I wonder if "soon" means July 9th 2007? Steal a little Boeing thunder if someone like BA or CX did order the A380?

It would have a considerable publicity impact
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 34):
Really? I was under the impression they were stuffing those birds on the JFK-LHR-India routes. Thanks for the correction.

So was i mate, actually it came to me as quite a shock as well see for yourself,

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=164061

Is there is any plan to have an Airbus A380 in the fleet?

Hmmm. A380? Why not? But at present, I believe, we needed to induct a larger number of aircraft than an aircraft of the capacity of an A380. But it will be difficult to have the desirable load factor on the super jumbo, unless we can become major hubs like Dubai or Singapore. On a Boeing 747, we have 423 seats, but even they don't go full. We can always look at it (Airbus A380), but there is no immediate requirement.


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Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:56 am

I dont think there will be an AI order for the A380 for a while. I think Jet & Asiana are more likely.
 
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Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 29):
The decision was won with a very small advantage of the 777, it was a "close decision".

.."close decision" doesn't mean "we wanted the A330 but the B777 is in our fleet so we'll go with that instead"...close decision means "both the B777 and A330 were competitive, but since we already have the B777 in our fleet we'll go with that"...they still could have gone with the B777 even if it wasn't in the fleet.....

Quoting Thorben (Reply 29):
Can't you read? They said:

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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 35):
To deliberately make such an announcement on or directly after the date of the rollout of the 787 would be a pretty immature and cheap marketing ploy by Airbus. I very much doubt that would happen. Boeing deserves their day in the limelight without anyone crashing their party. Besides it would not be a good move PR wise by Airbus to dilute the attention of any such important order announcement.

Well, Boeing did the same when the A380 had its first flight back in April 2005. Both the Air Canada and the Air India 777 and 787 orders were announced on the two days preceding the A380 first flight.
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Quote:
“In the coming few months we can announce one or two new customers. We’re advancing in the negotiations. One [of the airlines] is in Europe; the other I can’t say anything about right now.”

Could that european airline be any other than BA?
 
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 40):
Quoting Wolbo (Reply 35):
To deliberately make such an announcement on or directly after the date of the rollout of the 787 would be a pretty immature and cheap marketing ploy by Airbus. I very much doubt that would happen. Boeing deserves their day in the limelight without anyone crashing their party. Besides it would not be a good move PR wise by Airbus to dilute the attention of any such important order announcement.

Well, Boeing did the same when the A380 had its first flight back in April 2005. Both the Air Canada and the Air India 777 and 787 orders were announced on the two days preceding the A380 first flight.

That can´t be true. Boeing stands above that kind off marketing.
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 41):

Could that european airline be any other than BA?

Iberia, KLM, Alitalia....
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 43):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 41):

Could that european airline be any other than BA?

Iberia, KLM, Alitalia....

KLM maybe. I have wondered for a while if Corsair would end up ordering the A380. They operate high density 747s and the A380 would have really low CASM in their configuration.
 
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 3):
SU would be my wild guess. (Come one, Russia is growing like crazy with their oil and gas exports.)

They can't evel fill a 767 on majority of their routes, what makes you think they wouled need a A380. The order makes no sense

I have a better guess, the mystery buyer of A380 is Southwest Airlines, they're looking to increase capacity on the DAL-HOU route
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:49 am

Open question - with a fleet of exactly two 744s (not 744Cs or 744Fs) doing a single daily R/T ICN-ORD and ICN-LHR, why would OZ buy two A388s?
 
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:22 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 44):
Quoting Zeke (Reply 43):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 41):

Could that european airline be any other than BA?

Iberia, KLM, Alitalia....

KLM maybe. I have wondered for a while if Corsair would end up ordering the A380. They operate high density 747s and the A380 would have really low CASM in their configuration.

....the CEO of KL has already mentioned that they aren't interested in the A380 because there are only a small select routes where they could use it and such as small amount of A380's wouldn't be efficient in their fleet..

I expect to see KL go by the way of the B773ER...I don't even see the B748 in KL's fleet (such a shame)...
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:39 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 36):
It would have a considerable publicity impact

Understatement. BA ordering the A380 would be big news around the world.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 41):
Could that european airline be any other than BA?

It could be BA. Read the statement again though, and Airbus is not as firm as they sound.

"one or two" and "advancing in negotiations" means what? That they are not sure they will get both customers, and that they are in the final stages of negotiations.

In BA's case, isn't this a "duh!" comment. Everybody knows that Airbus and Boeing are in advanced negotiations with BA to win the order that will be announced before the end of the year. Airbus is just saying that they want to win it. Yep, I'm sure they want to win it.

But it doesn't mean they are any closer to winning it, only closer to the decision.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 46):
Open question - with a fleet of exactly two 744s (not 744Cs or 744Fs) doing a single daily R/T ICN-ORD and ICN-LHR, why would OZ buy two A388s?

To replace them, and allow them to fly other routes? Who knows?
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RE: 1 Or 2 New A380 Customers To Be Announced "soon"

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:04 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 44):
KLM maybe. I have wondered for a while if Corsair would end up ordering the A380. They operate high density 747s and the A380 would have really low CASM in their configuration.

How many seats would Corsair put in a single A380?
 crowded 

Also earlier this year didn't SV announce plans to make a massive purchase? It's time some of the 743s go.