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Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:57 pm

Just appeared on the news this morning...

Ryanair set to fly from Belfast City

Was this expected? Good for BHD? Wonder if this will affect EI descision on where to place its next base as Belfast was a contender last week.

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:01 pm

whats the largest aircraft that this airport can take?
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:10 pm

BMI has operated A321 into BHD for some tim,e but of course with some restrictions.

I would expect ramp space will become an issue if Ryanair is establishing a larger operation. What as become of the old terminal at BHD? Could it be revived as a Ryanair no frills-terminal?
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:10 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
whats the largest aircraft that this airport can take?

As far as im aware a 757/321 sized a/c.

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:23 pm

What do you think are the chance of BHD-STN or LTN?
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 2):
What as become of the old terminal at BHD? Could it be revived as a Ryanair no frills-terminal?

At the moment it is lying derelict a short space away from the new terminal. This could be utilised or even removed to increase ramp space. There is also limited space on the far side of the airfield, although not very practical as it is a limited space, no taxiways and seperated from the terminal.

Still, would be nice to see Ryanair flying into Belfast and actually flying into a city centre airport. When I read the headline I was almost exepcting them to be considering flying into Newtownards airport 10 miles outside Belfast  Smile

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:31 pm

It is interesting that they plan to fly to BRS, EMA and LPL, but not to any of the London airports. Which leads to the question if the LON market (at least the LC segment) is saturated or Ryanair does not have sufficient capacity at the London end to cater for a high-frequency STN/LTN/LGW-BHD route.
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:32 pm

Quoting BHD" class=quote target=_blank>BHD (Thread starter):
Wonder if this will affect EI descision on where to place its next base as Belfast was a contender last week.

I'd say that probably rules out Belfast for EI; I know EI was looking at BFS rather than BHD, but BHD is obviously more convenient and BFS is quite a way out; were it the other way around, i.e. FR going to BFS, EI might still consider BHD. Even though FR is only starting with 8, they will expand and if EI came to BFS, you can be pretty sure FR would go out of their way to make them unwelcome - especially now that the EU is likely to rule out FR's acquisition of EI.
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:33 pm

From the article

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There was no immediate confirmation of the move, but it is understood that negotiations are now being finalised.

Brian Ambrose, the chief executive at Belfast City Airport, described the suggestion that Ryanair is in the offing as "speculation".

I will not be surprised to see FR at Belfast, but would be surprised to see them at BHD. it is so restricted there, both environmentally and in terms of expansion. Not to mention the abysmal state of the security process there at busy times (just two screening machines), poor facilities (one shop, one newsagent and one bar) and only two baggage belts. (IIRC).

Besides, isn;t it a bit too close to the city centre to be a Ryanair destination..... Big grin  stirthepot 

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 8):
I will not be surprised to see FR at Belfast, but would be surprised to see them at BHD. it is so restricted there, both environmentally and in terms of expansion

Maybe its BFS!! That would be more sensible for FR. Tons of FR passengers clogging up BHD would not be good for anyone.
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 6):
Which leads to the question if the LON market (at least the LC segment) is saturated or Ryanair does not have sufficient capacity at the London end to cater for a high-frequency STN/LTN/LGW-BHD route.

STN and LTN hardly have any capacity left to increase frequencies. Apron space for parking aircraft at night is completely full at night with all based aircraft here. At both airports, there is capacity during the days to operate flights FROM other bases, but currently it is not or almost not possible to add flights to the LTN or STN bases.

By transferring base-to-base flights that are currently operated by STN aircraft to other bases (like GRO, PSA, BGY, NYO, CRL) they can increase capacity a bit, but only marginally. When NRN became a base, all frequencies were shifted right away to NRN-based aircraft, allowing FR to open STN-CRL.
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:07 pm

It'll be excellent if it happens.

Odd that the opening paragraph says that Ryanair will "expand its operations" at City, despite it not actually presently flying there.
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:16 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 8):
Besides, isn;t it a bit too close to the city centre to be a Ryanair destination..... Big grin stirthepot

Who knows, maybe they will sell it as Dublin North. Actually, Belfast is not much further away from Dublin than Hahn is from Frankfurt.

I am, however, wondering about the wisdom to set up shop at BHD. Unless they hope for flyBE eventually going under, there is little room at BHD to expand big time in the future. Just too crowded, me thinks, and regulated curfew-wise.

As we are just at the question of low-cost flights from BHD to LON, how is Air Berlin by now doing on the STN route? Do they have a decent percemtage of local passengers making just the BHD-STN leg?

[Edited 2007-06-25 14:20:04]
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:52 pm

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 12):
I am, however, wondering about the wisdom to set up shop at BHD. Unless they hope for flyBE eventually going under, there is little room at BHD to expand big time in the future.

Agreed. I don;t know about FlyBE. I think they have bitten off more than they can chew with the BACON integration, their reputation is shot to pieces, they are affectionately known as FlyMAYBE - the derogatory list goes on.

Here's something to throw into the mix. FR are losing out on EI, but are in the acquisition mindset at the moment. Perhaps BE is on their radar? I know the obvious lack of fleet commonality would make most of you poo-poo this idea, but they bought Buzz. They want EI. No commonality there either. Perhaps some BE routes would work on the FR model, albeit with lower frequency.....?

Either way, Northern Ireland deserves a better airline that BE, and as much as it irks me to say it, FR would suit the market there pretty well.

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:21 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 13):
Perhaps BE is on their radar? I know the obvious lack of fleet commonality would make most of you poo-poo this idea, but they bought Buzz. They want EI. No commonality there either.

I agree commonality is very overrated here on A.net. Especially with all kind of lease contracts and the current shortage of fairly new short-haul aircraft, you can get rid of the oddballs pretty easy. After FR bought Buzz, they phased the Buzz fleet out in 2 years of time. Network and market similarities or complementaries are IMO way more important.

Still, I'm not sure whether they would want to buy FlyBE, especially as BA owns a fair share of the airline. Airlines like bmibaby or Jet2 seem to be more interesting takeover subjects.
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:54 pm

I suppose is logical that FR would begin to serve Belfast in some way at some stage.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 13):
I know the obvious lack of fleet commonality would make most of you poo-poo this idea, but they bought Buzz. They want EI. No commonality there either. Perhaps some BE routes would work on the FR model, albeit with lower frequency.....?

Intereting, very interesting. Perhaps it is exactly becasue of the different aircraft operated by flyBE that could, potentially, make flyBE a takeover target. Looking at it logically, FR are trying to establish a domestic network in Ireland. They are flying alf filled 738s around the country at FL200, selling seats at 10EUR all in, and not doing the incumbant on the route (RE/EI) much harm. I would specualate that FR has a few more routes, or potential routes, which the738 is just too large for, regardless of price. Would it not be nice for a LCC to have a seperate carrier to which it can delegate the operation of these routes?

FR operated two types for about 6 years, the 732 and 738. While they are both 737's, most of the flighdeck systems, engineering and cabin systems all vary between the two types, so more than one a/c type in the FR model is not unheard of.

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:06 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 15):
Looking at it logically, FR are trying to establish a domestic network in Ireland. They are flying alf filled 738s around the country at FL200, selling seats at 10EUR all in, and not doing the incumbant on the route (RE/EI) much harm.

Very interesting, but why are they doing this? What is the business sense behind operating these routes - and then even starting DUB-SNN! Cannot they make a lot more profit on other routes, that suits their business model more?
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:12 am

Quoting BHD" class=quote target=_blank>BHD (Reply 3):

As far as im aware a 757/321 sized a/c.

Unless you are talking about ramp space, the 757 will actually have an easier time operating into a short runway airport like BHD than will a 737 or A320 family aircraft.

Quoting BHD" class=quote target=_blank>BHD (Reply 5):

Still, would be nice to see Ryanair flying into Belfast and actually flying into a city centre airport.

That is the thing that is the most impressive.

Quoting BHD" class=quote target=_blank>BHD (Reply 5):
When I read the headline I was almost exepcting them to be considering flying into Newtownards airport 10 miles outside Belfast

10 miles is nothing for them. I am surprised they haven't marketed Derry as Belfast (West).
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:11 am

With so many planned routes from BHD - Is it possible that BHD could be Ryanair base 21 ?
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:16 am

Many parts of the article seem rather unlikely. As it's mentioned that that routes will be phased in over a period of time, it suggests that it shall be served from other bases. This is very likely to start with. However, it then mentions Rome (CIA?), Paris (BVA?), Brussels (CRL?), Riga, and Warsaw or Katowice as new destinations; all airports that are currently no base (yet; BVA, RIX, WAW, KTW), or bases that are restricted in expansion (CIA due to noise; CRL due to terminal restrictions, to be solved by the new terminal early 2008).

It seems like something "well, if we start flying into Belfast, we might, eventually, at some stage, perhaps, consider flying to BVA, RIX, CIA and CRL too, but we might as well decide not to".

Also, the article mentions discussions with BFS as well; it might well be still an interesting discussion.

The most likely routes, IMO, are LPL, EMA and BRS, as well as GRO (they seem to be able to fill a flight to GRO from every airstrip in western Europe), the other ones seem way less likely to me at this stage; albeit flights from Riga or Poland, when a first base starts there, can't be ruled out either.

An advantage of flying to BHD iso BFS is to offer a different product than easyJet, competing on the routes to BRS and LPL.

About it being an airport close to the city center: well, as long as their fares are attractive... they fly into GSE iso GOT as well.

Wonder if they'll try BHD-SNN  Wink
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:07 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
As far as im aware a 757/321 sized a/c.



Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Unless you are talking about ramp space, the 757 will actually have an easier time operating into a short runway airport like BHD than will a 737 or A320 family aircraft.

Was just answering the question - 757 is larger than 737/A320. It has been on all the papers over here, seems like people are really wanting these roues from Ryanair. I must admit, although it is only Ryanair, it will be nice to have some more choice out of BHD where flybe and bmi are the most common flights there each day. BHD really has come one as a quite a 'wee' busy airport as our local speech would say.

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:36 pm

Quoting BHD" class=quote target=_blank>BHD (Reply 20):
Was just answering the question - 757 is larger than 737/A320.

Get away! ! never knew that....  Big grin  sarcastic 

Quoting BHD" class=quote target=_blank>BHD (Reply 20):
BHD really has come one as a quite a 'wee' busy airport as our local speech would say.

It has. thanks to BE in their prime. But as I said above, and as a regular passenger through the airport, I think it's pretty full these days. I doubt it could cope with the demands FR would put on it, both in terms of checkin, security and passenger facilities. (Though the latter probably wouldn't bother MOL in the slightest)

I'm going to go for FR going to BFS. And I reckon EI will go to MAN.

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:38 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 21):
Quoting BHD" class=quote target=_blank>BHD (Reply 20):
Was just answering the question - 757 is larger than 737/A320.

Get away! ! never knew that....

Seems to had to point this out for some people
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 19):
Wonder if they'll try BHD-SNN

To/from southern Ireland I could certainly see BHD/BFS-ORK-BHD/BFS with FR at some stage.

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 21):
But as I said above, and as a regular passenger through the airport, I think it's pretty full these days. I doubt it could cope with the demands FR would put on it, both in terms of checkin, security and passenger facilities. (Though the latter probably wouldn't bother MOL in the slightest)

Yes the one thing I like about BHD is that it is not too congested and if FR got in there it would destroy that.
 
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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:16 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 24):
Yes the one thing I like about BHD is that it is not too congested

I think you missed my point. I think BHD is already congested. FR's entrance would/could result in the airport grinding to a halt - wothout significant expansion of services, security etc.

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RE: Ryanair Set To Fly From Belfast City

Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:17 pm

A slightly updated article: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu.../business-news/article2706878.ece.

Note that it stated: “Ryanair is not expected to base any aircraft at Belfast City.”

It also stated: “It is expected that the airport would have to invest in an enlargement of its airside departure lounge and baggage carousel area to cope with the extra passengers.”

Exciting times ahead…
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